"Get Them While You Can!" If Not… Well… "There's Always Another Sale™"
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And then... for every complaint I have... I pick up something like this super cheap... that I just threw in a basket not even paying attention to what it was or wasn't...
https://www.daz3d.com/arcane-seer
And I figured it was just the head-dress... but no, it is the head-dress, the clothes, and a bunch of environmental props... pretty much every thing you see in the promo image except the background and the figure itself.
I love a pleasant surprise. Now granted, I had to dig through my Poser content folder to find and organize it all... and I'm still not sure I've found every last bit of it... but it is still a really complete content package.
If you use DIM, you can check where the installed product's files are located. The DS-native stuff usually (usually, I say) has everything under one folder. Poser-format folders are at complete odds with my workflow. I categorize stuff to put all of a product's files under one folder (I don't touch the original physical file system). The benefits of getting it all in one place will hopefully outweigh the pain of doing it. Moving and grouping, even duplicating, categories is child's play after that. Would be nice to search our own categories...
I see your point and agree to a certain degree. But I also think it's not a "little" responsibility when a person buys a lot of products. It may even cause people to buy less, if they knew they had to mess with manual installing. I know I wouldn't buy as much. With what I own and buy in just one order at times, it would just be plain stressful. Who needs that?
Yeah I have 13,320 items from Daz alone I also have content from other stores some of which are no longer in business and since my custom setup was destroyed It takes me days to find something sometimes if at all.
Say i want to load a building that has poses to position a character is the pose folder in with the building or is it in the pose folder for the character?
Is the building in a folder titled with the merchants name or the content name is it in Enviroment or Enviroment Architecture or under Props or Props Architecture or is it in Scenes and also do I remember the name or just what it looks like
It gets to be a real nightmare and gives me a reason to keep my hair cut short though sometimes the beard is in danger
The PC+ bug seems to have saved my wallet again. Neither Ensk Outpost nor the Fat Bike showed their PC+ discount for me even in the cart.
Sure - but the problem is also that different PAs have a different logic (as mentioned above - do all poses go in the 'G3M (etc) /Poses' folder or do poses to seat a figure in a vehicle go with the vehicle-name/poses. I prefer the latter generally. This is also why I install manually and make my own folders (and remove the 'PA-name' folder above the outfit/etc - though I might also add a suffix of the PAs initials to the subfolder)
Is it: Product/Materials/Iray (or) 3DL or is it: Product/Iray materials (or) 3DL materials?
A PA can be consistent with their own products, but until Daz make a final decision on a 'standard', they can't be consistent with all other PAs.
Is the Aiko deal the same? The pro bundle went u by $10 in my cart with no changes. Also, the final day note is still on the sale page, along with the other weekend deals.
The scrolling banner mentions "up to 20% off gift cards" but the sales page doesn't mention anything about gift cards (unless I missed it). It looks like they still have yesterday's sales page up (even though it's showing the new releases for today, the sales page itself is still advertising yesterday's sale).
It now shows the correct sales page.
New page should be up. Relog if needed.
Working on a glitch with gift cards, will notify in thread.
My mistake, no glitch with cards, I forget it's OVER $100 for a 10% discount on the card.
Thanks, Ati! :)
hahah I did the same thing. I'm like "wait, this is showing a 5% less discount than what it should be" ...but no, I was the wrong one and I ended up just putting another dollar on the card's amount so that it got bumped up to the next percent off teir. Still not sure if I'm going to get it... as I just bought a gift card two days ago. Now I'm kicking myself for buying a GC at full price and then a GC sale lands. :(
If you mean the DS content library I'm working on something of that kind. Currently it can display product icons, textures etc., but there are lots of possibilities. You can search the whole library on a keyword and it will list all folders and files containing that keyword (AND / OR will be added later). You can create presets containing whatever folders you select, so you can store e.g. a search for quick reload. Different other features in the works.
Whilst I certainly agree on the Smart Content; DIM is useful. I have lots of folders that DIM installs to; of course it doesn't help DIM when I manually move things. :) But it works for me.
It would be interesting to know what you mean by logical order.
Makes a person wonder what is due; 20% is decent, and with little in the way of buy-in; needless to say, I spent big.
This is what I mean by a logical order, @nicstt Some PAs have *some* sort of logic to the way they arrange their content, other than just putting a bang (!) in front of their directory so it will show up first in the directory structure. Here is a totally made-up example.
You have a poser hair item. The hair object is in POSE, not hair. It is labeled something different than it is called, and it has a bunch of different textures and props. The props are in props, under a different name still, and the images of them are a close up, so you can't see what hair it goes with visually. The hair textures are in Materials, but under a third name, and again, close ups, so you can't see what hair it goes with.
The readme file was dumped God Know's Where, and because it was just named "readme", it was probably overwritten by some later content you installed.
Now... the next PA creates one Folder, "PA name," and all his content is consistently there. His content is in a folder NAMED the name of the content \PA_artist_Suburban_Hair... images show the hair with the object in them. You look where you would expect a thing to be, and there it is.
It may not be consistent across all artists, but it is consistent among that one artist.
I really don't know why PAs don't title their readme files "ThisArtist_ThisProductName_ReadMe"... and licenses too, for that matter.
But IT pros are terrible at file organization and documentation too... so... it has been the story of my life.
Now... DAY 2 of organizing all the content I've bought over the last 6 months, which is way overdue.... I'd buy a gift card... but evidently I have an entire STORE of content on my own hard drive I don't remeber about...
And it used to really only be the Poser Content structure that was this kind of mess... and manually installed content that was the worst... but more and more I've been seeing it in the My Daz 3d Library file structure, and *with* DIM installed content.
Is that new set in
Architecture?
Environments\Architecture
Props\Exterior?
Is it in the name of the Content? Or is it named things like "outdoor scene 1"?
Does it have a preload, or does everything load as an individual prop at location 0,0 and I have to manually reposition it?
*shrug*... "who knows! That is part of the fun!"
For example, right now I've got a folder off my My Daz main folder structure named "Character". Below it is a folder named "Stonemason" and below that is "The Dark Star".
Do I move it somewhere else? Do I then start getting, "Cannot find "hull_texture.obj" errors every time I load the content? Should I just leave it alone, even though "Characters" is usually a folder off People that contains figure characters?
I'm not trying to pick on Stonemason - his sets are incredible and complex and I dropped over $100 on his content alone when his sale was on... but he is one of the PAs that has been around so long that his content is scattered all over my My Daz and Poser file structure in relatively random spots.
Of course, he is probably a she... I always seem to get that wrong...
I know that a lot of people suggest that you buy one piece of new content and install and organize it at a time... but the sales are not conducive to that. "I need to buy all 32 items at once, before the store glitches, and then if I haven't gotten it all organized by DAZ midnight... there is another cart of stuff coming in... and after a couple of days of that, I've got 6GB of new content and now I'm overwhelmed with the task of organizing all that old generation 4 V4/M4 content I got at under a buck each because of the stacking..."
Then you know... occasionally rather than shopping or organizing my content... I actually like to render some pretty pictures with it... but when am I going to get time for that between buying new stuff and then being personally responsible and actually organizing it?
Heh... /rant
If you have a product with the model in the Pose library that's really weird. Daz products will not use ! or other special characters in the top-level folder name. Daz readmes are in the readme's folder and named for the product in some way (possibly with the SKU).
In my Pose directory I have a folder called !Daz's Skeleton which contains materials and transperency settings for the M4 skeleton and V4 skeleton prop.
So... where would the actual SKELETON object be?
In "Figures\Daz Skeleton".
I don't know for sure if I actually have any figures in the Pose library, or the Materials library. I don't completely understand the archane and mystical reasons why some content was put in some places at some time in the legacy of Poser and DAZ development that got us to where we are today. If I knew for sure that things were in a certain place, I wouldn't be ranting like this. I just sacrifice a chicken under a full moon and then click blindly in my content library and then render whatever shows up in my Viewport.
Or you know, doing what @Divamakeup taught me to do... spending hours creating a Favorites database where I've manually organized the Pose\!Daz's Skeleton and Figures\Daz Skeleton directories into a folder structure Figures\M4\Anatomy and Figures\V4\Anatomy...
On ReadMes... who knows if a readme is actually part of the installed files? Look at Installed files and scroll through a list looking for the one file that has .pdf, .html or .txt after it...
I just dug through my DIM Installed Files lists for 10 minutes before I found content that includes a readme...
NGS Anagenessis 2, which includes:
"\ReadMe's\35273_n.g.s.-anagenessis-2-revolution-user-guide.pdf"
Maybe there is a Read Me file... and maybe I just have to click the "i" information icon in DIM, and maybe I can launch the documentation right from within DAZ3d, or maybe those options will generate a "page not found" or placeholder that no documentation exists, or it is a WIP, depending on when the content was made... and that is just for DAZ3D store content. If it is a freebie or content from one of the other stores... well... that might be in Documents, or Dokument, or Read ME or read_me or docs or...
http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/12276/start
Just... for example...
The early stuff tends to wander more than the later. The Dark Star is pretty old. I've find that some of that does show up in weird places, it isn't in smart content, and it is usually safe to move it whereever you want to. If the content is built correctly the load paths are all relative rather than absolute, and you can move it to whereever you want it. If it wasn't built correctly it is probably not partucularly usable anyway.
As far as recent stuff, if you are using content manager rather than smart content, just move it. It annoys me trying to find it also, and I like to categorize it better. Again, it is probably all using relative paths, and if it isn't, and it is sold here, it should be reported as a bug.
Really good sale today, I was beginning to get worried money might accumulate in my checking account.
It seems like people close to DAZ are a little defensive about this topic when anyone who has worked with DAZ for any length of time knows EXACTLY the issues I'm talking about... Have I accidently stumbled on the Lord Voldermort/Fight Club Rule List of working with DAZ?
"The Folder of Content Problem that Shall Not Be Named..."
"The First Rule of Daz Documentation is that we don't talk about Daz Documentation?"
"some of your posts have been removed from the forum..."
Well, the skeleton is old - but I think there were a few Daz main items which did the !Daz thing (not sure Victoria 4 and Michael 4 didn't too). However, for the most part they don't and certainly shouldn't on anything at all recent (files may have the !, or leading numbers, to promote them within a folder).
Nowadyas the readmes are online, accessed via the i in DIM or right-click in DS, but when they were part of the isntall package the main read me had a name derived from the product and all documentation would be in readme's or a subfolder (and that apostrofly made me twitch every time).
And I know sometimes my snarky humor isn't always appreciated by those in authority who understand that maybe there are bigger fish being fried right now that I am not aware of. I'm not trying to be combative or hostile... I'm just trying to point out... We *all* know that the DAZ content organization and documentation is, and has been - a mess, for a long time. I find it strange that anyone is defending it and suggesting that maybe it is operator error or just not understanding the logical operation and layout of these parts of DAZ 3D. I gotta be me... and if the consumers aren't complaining about what is broken, then DAZ doesn't know that it should fix it. "They must be happy, because no one is speaking up..."
Every time I have to deal with trying to organize my content or use it and I need some explaination of how to make it do what I want, it disrupts my workflow. I've got a whole binder full of printed out documentation (actually two,) that I refer to constantly... and I forget tricks that are real useful and rediscover them again and again. "How do I make a backup of my custom "Favorites" Cateogories database again, and how do I restore it? I know I've got a bookmark to that forum post somewhere around here..."
I literally keep a PC open next to my rendering box so I can search online for documents and readmes and the forums while I'm setting up scenes - along with the binders of the chair next to me and sometimes I just end up going...
"I'm going to have to spend an hour or so with all these documents and JUST this piece of content, or utility, figuring out how to do what I want, then come back to the actual reason I was trying to do this..."
And sometimes I just give up on the goal and figure out some other way to do it. "This is going to be way easier to just fix in post-work than get right in DAZ. I wonder why I even bought this utility or content in the first place. I'll add a rain effect or fog or get the hair to fit inside of the hat by hand..."
Also, I am not ironically unaware that if I was just taking some personal responsibility and slogging through organizing my content rather than sitting here in the forum bitchin' about having to organize my content, I'd be that much further along in having it organized.
But, there are also good tips in this discussion for new users on how to get ahead and manage their content before it becomes the multi-headed monster mine is.
One other thing I use a lot is having My Account\Product Library open on the second PC... and just occasionally browsing it to see what I've got. Once your library gets big enough, sometimes this is as almost as exciting as shopping for new content. "I bought that?!? I didn't know I bought that!"
I guess that gets back to the main point though...
I'd like to be able to do that locally. The idea that it might take up a lot of space... well... my DAZ content library is already filling up a good chunk of a 4TB drive... I'd add another 4TB drive just to be able to search my content library locally on the same machine the content is on. ATI's plugin makes it awesome. I can find the content, click on the order, then click on the product page, and then click on the Read Me file. Often I find the ReadMe file is a WIP with no file list... so then it is back to the manual way of opening DIM and slogging through directories looking for a readme text or PDF...
I'm sittlng with over 2 TB of content so I feel your pain. It's sort of like cat herding though to get PA's on the same page on this though, particularly if you are using content from other places also. All I can tell you is it is a lot easier if you organize it as you go along, and put it in places that make sense to you. You have to leave the textures and object files where they are, if you move them eveything breaks. Pretty much all the other files are scripts that either load those two types of files into a scene, or change parameters of already loaded objects. If those scripts were coded correctly, you can move them pretty much anywhere. Nothing in my Poser side of the house (the runtime library) is where it was originally placed, I am not going to search for textrures or props that go with a character, I put them all in the same place. Which means files that change the color of a shirt ain't under poses, they are a subdirectory under the shirt. You have to do that as they come in, it gets impossible to do afterwards.
Same thing with clothing, I have a ton of it, I don't care who made it, I do care what kind of clothing it is. So all office clothing is in one subdirectory, bathing suits in another, casueal clothes in a third, etc. Got the Envirements and buildings set up the same way.
There is even a product out there that allows me to make shortcuts to the poser items and place them in with the daz items. It uses DAZ native functions, but it allows me to do it in bulk, and with the directory structure I have on the Poser side.
So if you are looking for DAZ to organize your content for you, well these days they'll point you to smart content, which doesn't help you with the legacy items unless you want to build database entries for it. I prefer to use the directory structure to organize, and I do it when I first buy an item.
I need to replenish my store credit but even at 20% off $201 having to buy an expensive Newly Mad release that I don't especially need sure takes a lot away from the value of getting a discounted gift card. It would have been a lot better with a straight discount or even with any new nelease triggering the discount.
The Bonus Mad Offer doesn't seem to be right. It's says 70% off if you bought something within the last three days. I made a purchase this morning, not getting 70% off. I did log off and back on.