Not To Worry, Friend, "There's Always Another Sale™"

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  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,942
    edited December 2017

    Almost didn't buy anything today (again) and dumped my cart. Then I reconsidered, and added 'Scene Optimizer", hoping it would help with a scene that caused Studio to freeze every time. But, five or six minutes after installing it I now have Studio happily rendering the scene. So, I can certainly recommend https://www.daz3d.com/scene-optimizer to any one struggling to render large scenes. Even if you buy nothing else.

    Would you (or anyone else reading this) know how to find stats to calculate the difference in speed etc: between a large render for two different machines, and would slightly different versions of DAZ Studio affect the results?

    Thanks in advance.

    Edit: Also anyone know if Faveral's Perouges Medieval Village https://www.daz3d.com/perouges-medieval-village can be unassembled - used in pieces?

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  • firewardenfirewarden Posts: 1,486
    Ati said:

    What's up with Faveral's items? They're 40% off, which would suggest they are part of the Featured Artist's Catalogs, but he's not listed. And the 40% does not become 50% with a new item, nor does it get a Loyalty Discount. So where is that 40% discount coming from?

    Same situation with Luthbel . . .

    I think Aeon Soul is doing the same thing. I was going to buy some, following the rabbit trail from Tau Ceta, but only 40%, nothing else.

  • ArtAngel said:

     

    Edit: Also anyone know if Faveral's Perouges Medieval Village https://www.daz3d.com/perouges-medieval-village can be unassembled - used in pieces?

    It only loads as a single set but there are five buildings and a tree that can be seperated.

    Perouges.jpg
    885 x 570 - 90K
  • Ati said:

    What's up with Faveral's items? They're 40% off, which would suggest they are part of the Featured Artist's Catalogs, but he's not listed. And the 40% does not become 50% with a new item, nor does it get a Loyalty Discount. So where is that 40% discount coming from?

    Same situation with Luthbel . . .

    I think Aeon Soul is doing the same thing. I was going to buy some, following the rabbit trail from Tau Ceta, but only 40%, nothing else.

    Reported these three.

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,182
    Ati said:

    What's up with Faveral's items? They're 40% off, which would suggest they are part of the Featured Artist's Catalogs, but he's not listed. And the 40% does not become 50% with a new item, nor does it get a Loyalty Discount. So where is that 40% discount coming from?

    Same situation with Luthbel . . .

    I think Aeon Soul is doing the same thing. I was going to buy some, following the rabbit trail from Tau Ceta, but only 40%, nothing else.

    Reported these three.

    Thank you, Richard.

  • firewardenfirewarden Posts: 1,486
    Ati said:

    What's up with Faveral's items? They're 40% off, which would suggest they are part of the Featured Artist's Catalogs, but he's not listed. And the 40% does not become 50% with a new item, nor does it get a Loyalty Discount. So where is that 40% discount coming from?

    Same situation with Luthbel . . .

    I think Aeon Soul is doing the same thing. I was going to buy some, following the rabbit trail from Tau Ceta, but only 40%, nothing else.

    Reported these three.

    Thanks! :)

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885
    Ati said:

    What's up with Faveral's items? They're 40% off, which would suggest they are part of the Featured Artist's Catalogs, but he's not listed. And the 40% does not become 50% with a new item, nor does it get a Loyalty Discount. So where is that 40% discount coming from?

    Same situation with Luthbel . . .

    I think Aeon Soul is doing the same thing. I was going to buy some, following the rabbit trail from Tau Ceta, but only 40%, nothing else.

    Reported these three.

    Dogz is the same way.  They were on the featured artist group for a bit last night, but the Loyalty and New bonuses weren't applying.  This morning, they're still 40% off, but no longer on the Featured Artists, and the loyalty and new still aren't applying.

  • NSFW said:

    Almost didn't buy anything today (again) and dumped my cart. Then I reconsidered, and added 'Scene Optimizer", hoping it would help with a scene that caused Studio to freeze every time. But, five or six minutes after installing it I now have Studio happily rendering the scene. So, I can certainly recommend https://www.daz3d.com/scene-optimizer to any one struggling to render large scenes. Even if you buy nothing else.

    Is that complicated to use? I can't tell if it's because it's 2:00 AM and I'm tired or I'm just not geeky enough but I don't even understand the product description...

    There's actually already 2 other free scripts that do the same thing as discussed here, they work really well and are simple to use:

    http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/137161/reduce-texture-sizes-easily-with-this-script/p1

     

     

    Thanks for mentioning this. Just did a bit of reading and will be very handy. :)

  • I see I'm not the only one having an issue with the pricing on the Holiday Loyality Rewards Sale.

    The issue I am having is that under the Genesis Add-On sale, anything marked with a discount indicator (i.e. -40%) does not apply the 60% discount.  It does apply my Loyalty Rewards amount, but that's it.  This is actually causing any of these products marked with a discount to be more expensive than if not marked.

    For example, the Michi HD for Victoria 7 is a base price of $19.95 currently marked down 40% to $11.97.  At checkout the final price after Loyalty Discount is showing at $8.98.  Now I've also got the Gwenbleiz HD and Beard for Michael 7 in the cart also, which also has a base price of $19.95 but no markdown indicator.  At checkout this item is showing a final price, after the 60% and then the Loyalty Discount, of $5.98.  So the marked down item is actually showing up to be MORE expensive than if it wasn't marked down 40%!

    I'm not sure if it is intended that an additional 60% be taken off of the already marked down 40%, but in any case it is still showing a higher price at checkout than if they just took the 60% off the base price.

    I submitted a help desk ticket about 10 hours ago, which they did reply to.  But they just told me to clear my cache/cookies and make sure I'm logged into my account.  I had already done that, I informed them of such in the original ticket.  I tried again and also on a different computer.  Still no fix.

    I wasn't necessarily planning on purchasing any of these items.  But if the 60% were to additionally be taken off the already reduced 40% off, that would be a good deal worth considering.

    Two additional things to note.  Yes, I do own Victoria 8 (base) so the 60% should apply (as it does correctly on the Gwenbleiz item and other non-marked discount items in this category.)  Also, unlike the other Loyalty Sale categories, the Genesis Add-On Sale clearly states that "Discount applies in shopping cart."

    Hopefully they get it fixed, but be sure to keep an eye on your cart to make sure the final prices at checkout are correct!

     

    Maria is having the same problem.

  • WandW said:

    Fu..... I've got 37 wishlist items coming in at >71% off, and maybe a budget for 4 or 5 of them...

    Wow, I must be late to the party, as the only items on my WL at 71% off are PC items...  sad

    I wasn't even counting my PC+ items.  But yeah, today nothing else seems to be at 71%.

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,942

    It only loads as a single set but there are five buildings and a tree that can be seperated.

    Thank you so much. I have had it in and out of the cart almost every month because someone mentioned the building could not be used in another scene, and I like buying what can be painted (templates) or kit bashed, but if it goes into the loyalty batch I'll finally buy it.

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,182
    ArtAngel said:

    It only loads as a single set but there are five buildings and a tree that can be seperated.

    Thank you so much. I have had it in and out of the cart almost every month because someone mentioned the building could not be used in another scene, and I like buying what can be painted (templates) or kit bashed, but if it goes into the loyalty batch I'll finally buy it.

    I think it's in there now.

  • ArtAngelArtAngel Posts: 1,942
    Ati said:

    I think it's in there now.

    Thanks again. I am downloading the bundles and poses I bought yesterday and in my rush forget to add a new item to the cart, so I would have missed that one. and thanks for going through the trouble of loading the screenshot. It made it a no brainer. After Christmas I won't be watching as closely but you have a sale  notification system or something I could join right?

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,182
    ArtAngel said:
    Ati said:

    I think it's in there now.

    Thanks again. I am downloading the bundles and poses I bought yesterday and in my rush forget to add a new item to the cart, so I would have missed that one. and thanks for going through the trouble of loading the screenshot. It made it a no brainer. After Christmas I won't be watching as closely but you have a sale  notification system or something I could join right?

    That's right. You can find more info on it in this thread: https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/106296/announcing-daz-deals-browser-add-on/p1

  • ItsCeoItsCeo Posts: 471
    Last night after Daz midnight I put 2 Stonemason items in my cart. Then I put a 'New Release' item in my cart. The price was supposed to change but did not.
  • MazhMazh Posts: 489
    edited December 2017

    Just to understand how the Genesis Add-ons category should work, cause some people seem to have issues here.

    At the moment not discounted and 'pure' DO discounted items seem to work for me with -60 % (for owning a Gen 8 character) and -30 % for loyalty reward.

    Everthing already featured PA discounted (and also these + DO discounted) is only loyalty discounted, except PC+ which is -60% discounted.

    So e.g.

    https://www.daz3d.com/timeless-outfit-for-victoria-7 and https://www.daz3d.com/i13-elation-poses-for-victoria-6 (both in this category sale) have nearly the same price in cart for me.

     

     

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  • ItsCeoItsCeo Posts: 471
    edited December 2017
    I don't know how to delete a post I put here so I will say I hope you are having a nice day!
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  • MazhMazh Posts: 489
    edited December 2017
    ItsCeo said:
    For me the V7 dress is $13.97 and the V6 poses are $5.97. I also have Gen 8, Plat Club and 30% loyalty. Obviously Daz likes you better than me. Did you send them Christmas cookies or something?

    That...plus I own a Genesis 8 character... ;)  and $13.97 is the regular 30% off price for PC+, have you checked the price in your cart?

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  • NSFW said:

    The problem is that when your items in your cart go from 71% off to 65% off, but then the items that were 83% off, are still 83% off,  it's next to impossible to tell if the new higher price is a correction of the previous glitch, or if the new higher price is a new glitch. Basically I don't know what is a glitch and what isn't a glitch anymore. We're reaching levels of glitch that shouldn't be possible.

    Exactly, I feel the same way! I never know if the price I'm getting is a glitch in my favor or against me, which makes the decision all the more difficult.

  • MazhMazh Posts: 489
    NSFW said:

    The problem is that when your items in your cart go from 71% off to 65% off, but then the items that were 83% off, are still 83% off,  it's next to impossible to tell if the new higher price is a correction of the previous glitch, or if the new higher price is a new glitch. Basically I don't know what is a glitch and what isn't a glitch anymore. We're reaching levels of glitch that shouldn't be possible.

    Exactly, I feel the same way! I never know if the price I'm getting is a glitch in my favor or against me, which makes the decision all the more difficult.

    Glitches...friends or your worst enemies....? :)

  • ItsCeoItsCeo Posts: 471
    Mazh said:
    ItsCeo said:
    For me the V7 dress is $13.97 and the V6 poses are $5.97. I also have Gen 8, Plat Club and 30% loyalty. Obviously Daz likes you better than me. Did you send them Christmas cookies or something?

    That...plus I own a Genesis 8 character... ;)  and $13.97 is the regular 30% off price for PC+, have you checked the price in your cart?

    Yeah... Um... So I tried to delete that post because like a dummy I forgot to actually put in my cart.
  • MazhMazh Posts: 489
    ItsCeo said:
    I don't know how to delete a post I put here so I will say I hope you are having a nice day!

    Thank you very much ...same to you :)

  • ItsCeoItsCeo Posts: 471
    edited December 2017
    NSFW said:
    WandW said:

    Fu..... I've got 37 wishlist items coming in at >71% off, and maybe a budget for 4 or 5 of them...

    Wow, I must be late to the party, as the only items on my WL at 71% off are PC items...  sad

    Well there's still these.... But I assume these are correct prices as they've been this low all day, even after they fixed what I guess were other gltiches, who the F knows at this point. Ii'm done with this. The stuff I really wanted all went up in price.

     

     

     

     

    [Huh]? Why is Streets of Tuscany $7.22 for you and $15.03 for me?!! I am Plat Club, have 'new release' in cart, and 30% loyalty reward. What other discounts are there to be applied? I hate it when I feel I cannot trust the vendor.

    Edited for profanity

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,714

    Streets of Tuscany are $15.03 for me too. I've spent a lot at DAZ in the last 2 years but compared to the best collectors of DAZ content, not a lot at all but significantly more than the average DAZ customer.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,264

    The really irritating thing is that in a lot of cases the "loyalty" discount is applying but one of the others, usually the Generations 60% discount, isn't, so I'm apparently actually being penalized for having been a good customer.  If only the generations and my 30% loyalty discount were applied to an item, those two discounts alone should be a cumulitive 72%.,,, and that ironically works fine if the artist in question isn't being featured.  However, when an item appears in both a featured artist category and Generations, where the cumulitive discount should 83/86% off, the discount showing is instead only 65%, so the Generations discount isn't applying at all.     

     

     

  • cdpro_2831bbd990cdpro_2831bbd990 Posts: 1,430
    edited December 2017

    I must be very stupid. Daz sells software, and it seems to me that any sale of software (online) is profit. Isn't that the reasoning behind all the $1.99 sales? Selling a lot, cheaply makes more profit than selling a little for more. Please, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. I really would like to know how you can make a loss by selling a few bits of data that can be produced in endless supply.

    You're forgetting that there are people behind the these products that put a lot of time and energy into creating this content. Many of them depend on the money to make a living. If there's a glitch when their content comes out, instead of making a profit they can take a bit hit and a big loss when people who would normally buy their content at X amount instead get it for a fraction of the cost. And while there may be "a few bits of data that can be produced in endless supply" there is NOT an endless supply of customers who buy 3D content. Once they buy it at that super low glitched price, it's not like they're going to buy it again.

    I think you're both right.  Selling soft goods is like any other intangible like music, novels, designs...etc.  If I know that there is a probability that MOST people will want my product at a certain price, I'm going to go slightly higher in order to capture as many of the "bonus dollars" I can before allowing the product to settle into what I think the majority price point will be.  After sales start to lag, meaning that most early adopters and fans of my work have bought, I'll lower the price to capture the "on the cuff" buyer.  Then, if I want to boost income for a period, I'll drop the price to catch as many "bargain hunters" as possible.  It has absolutely nothing to do with what I think my time is worth, other than as a starting point to what I would like to get out of my efforts.  The end user has no idea about how many hours it takes to make X product, nor do they really care.  What they want is the best price on the nicest product.  So, if I can recoup my own time and base profit in the first go around of my product, ANY pricing thereafter will result in profit.  That doesn't mean that I need to give it away.  I just need to make the price low enough so that it is attractive to most buyers.  If I have a really hot product like an iPhone that people seem to be willing to remortgage the house to buy, of course I'm not dropping my price...LOL  But, if my older product is just taking up virtual shelf space, why not drop it to pennies and pick up a few extra sales here and there?  My other consideration of course, is competition.  In the case of Daz items, there are thousands of good figures and props and poses and environments.  I still have about a thousand in my wishlist.  So even if I've spent 3 years making the most fabulous space suit ever for G8F, I have to remember that it needs to be priced within the range of what other space suits are currently selling.   There are a finite number of Daz customers and each of them have a finite amount of funds.  So, I have to assume that price will play a part in deciding which space suit to buy.  Even if everyone agrees that mine is the most fabulous ever, not everyone will buy it if there are many almost as good for less.

    The Glitch factor is a consideration, not because I won't make some profit during a mad rush caused by the Glitch.  Rather, it affects the timing on my sales strategy.  If I'm still in phase one and hoping to pick up the higher intro price sales, a Glitch can severely impact my profits and time to recoup my work.  In later "bargain" sales phases, it won't be as much of a problem and could in some ways help draw attention to an otherwise flagging  product.

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  • NorthOf45NorthOf45 Posts: 5,687
    edited December 2017

    Much has been said about the Previous Generations 60% discount not working all the time. It appears to work on the regularly priced items and DO's, but not on any item in a Featured Artist Catalog. They get 50% instead of 40% (with a new item), as in the Featured Artist promo, but they are included in the 60%-off promo. (Loyalty discounts apply everywhere expected, at least for me). Looks like the higher price is trumping the lower, should be the other way around.

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  • MazhMazh Posts: 489

    I guess they're frightened to touch anything, it's a fragile balance, when the fluctuation of prices hits its natural resonance it might bust everything...

  • ItsCeoItsCeo Posts: 471
    So... Should I write a helpdesk ticket then...?
  • MazhMazh Posts: 489
    edited December 2017

    I'm not sure what will happen then, some PA items would go down to $ 2-3 (esp. characters) with these discounts, maybe they'll just sort out the discounted PA items :)

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