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  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 2,189

    jmucchiello said:

    bluejaunte said:

    Yeah sorry about that, it could be in there and point out the keyboard shortcut. Also in the tooltip when you mouse over a button I guess. As for how you could know, obviously reading the manual or even looking at the promos. But I get it, we don't have time for that stuff :)

    But you ARE happy what you asked for is there, right? It's a major functionality actually, I use it like that all the time. It's been mentioned by barbult as well who loves that part dearly.

    If I read the manual it was when I bought it and probably even before I looked at it in Daz or considered how I would use it.

    But, yeah, it's great that it's already there. I've only recently added Shelf to my workflow and now with this knowledge, I'm sure I'll be using it consistently. (And later I'll be the one going "well, of course, you just ctrl-click." to someone.) I'm sure at some point I'll want to do a lot of deleting. Is there a rubber band select with remove option? :) (I would just try it but a render is running.)

    No but there's a clear tab on the tab right-click, or remove tab.
  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 2,189

    This was successfully ported to Daz Studio 2026.

  • UthgardUthgard Posts: 892

    Bluejaunte, I can't even begin to tell you how useful this has been ever since I got it. It's done away with so many pain points in Studio it should come with an anesthesiologist's prescription. Seriously, great job, this is an amazing addition to the workflow.

    I've gotten so used to it that about the only complaint I have is that I've made far too many shelves to browse them at a glance. If you ever consider making an add-on that allows for multiple rows of shelves, coloring individual tabs, having folders use the same icons that some PAs personalize them with in the product library, or having the ability to populate multiple tabs with different shelves (or any other way you can envision to further speed up browsing)... Well, let's just say that it would not be a day-one purchase, but an attosecond one.

    Thank you for this. It's proven invaluable.

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 2,189
    edited April 14

    Uthgard said:

    Bluejaunte, I can't even begin to tell you how useful this has been ever since I got it. It's done away with so many pain points in Studio it should come with an anesthesiologist's prescription. Seriously, great job, this is an amazing addition to the workflow.

    I've gotten so used to it that about the only complaint I have is that I've made far too many shelves to browse them at a glance. If you ever consider making an add-on that allows for multiple rows of shelves, coloring individual tabs, having folders use the same icons that some PAs personalize them with in the product library, or having the ability to populate multiple tabs with different shelves (or any other way you can envision to further speed up browsing)... Well, let's just say that it would not be a day-one purchase, but an attosecond one.

    Thank you for this. It's proven invaluable.

    Thanks! Glad it helps. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by multiple rows of shelves. Colored tabs sounds like a good idea. Using the PA folder icons would be confusing because not all have them, and there's a better way. Instead of adding folders just add an item inside the folder and then Ctrl-click on it to get back to the folder. With this I don't even use folders anymore to be honest.

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 27,216
    Ctrl click is the way to go, I agree. It not only gives immediate access to your selected folder item with a recognizable icon. But you can easily open the folder to access the whole folder with Ctrl click on that single asset in your shelf.
  • RandomRandom Posts: 254
    edited April 16

    I've been using Shelf and it's been working well, very useful. But do have a request which would really make things run smoother. Is it possible to have the tabs within Shelf able to have a keyboard shortcut so that being e.g. in your content library and wanting to access items in a particular Shelf tab you can just press the shortcut key and voilà, you're in the tab!

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  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 2,189

    Random said:

    I've been using Shelf and it's been working well, very useful. But do have a request which would really make things run smoother. Is it possible to have the tabs within Shelf able to have a keyboard shortcut so that being e.g. in your content library and wanting to access items in a particular Shelf tab you can just press the shortcut key and voilà, you're in the tab!

    Hmm... interesting idea. Not sure it's doable because in order for an action to be able register a shortcut I need to do this before the plugin loads. But tabs can exist or not, so at least that is not a thing I could set at the time of you creating a tab. I guess I would have to set a few shortcuts beforehand, say tab 1 to 10, but what if you had more... and what if you don't have that many tabs? I'm not sure I can bind something to an action that doesn't exist. Bit of a chicken and egg problem. Tabs can also be reordered, so what happens then? Do shortcuts just correspond to the position, or would a user expect a custom shortcut for a tab remains the same if they reorder it?

    Sounds like a bit of a headache smiley

  • TugpsxTugpsx Posts: 897

    bluejaunte said:

    This was successfully ported to Daz Studio 2026.

    Do you know when we will see the DS2026 version? 

     

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 110,853

    Tugpsx said:

    bluejaunte said:

    This was successfully ported to Daz Studio 2026.

    Do you know when we will see the DS2026 version? 

    The SDK isn't finalised yet, as far as I know.

     

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 2,189

    Tugpsx said:

    bluejaunte said:

    This was successfully ported to Daz Studio 2026.

    Do you know when we will see the DS2026 version? 

     

    No clue whatsoever. Could be a long time honestly until they accept submissions simply because the SDK and DS 2026 are still evolving. Once they do accept submissions I foresee a pretty nasty queue as well because QA suddenly has to get through a tidal wave of plugins.

  • TugpsxTugpsx Posts: 897

    bluejaunte said:

    Tugpsx said:

    bluejaunte said:

    This was successfully ported to Daz Studio 2026.

    Do you know when we will see the DS2026 version? 

     

    No clue whatsoever. Could be a long time honestly until they accept submissions simply because the SDK and DS 2026 are still evolving. Once they do accept submissions I foresee a pretty nasty queue as well because QA suddenly has to get through a tidal wave of plugins.

    Thanks to both of you for the update.  

  • RandomRandom Posts: 254

    bluejaunte said:

    Random said:

    I've been using Shelf and it's been working well, very useful. But do have a request which would really make things run smoother. Is it possible to have the tabs within Shelf able to have a keyboard shortcut so that being e.g. in your content library and wanting to access items in a particular Shelf tab you can just press the shortcut key and voilà, you're in the tab!

    Hmm... interesting idea. Not sure it's doable because in order for an action to be able register a shortcut I need to do this before the plugin loads. But tabs can exist or not, so at least that is not a thing I could set at the time of you creating a tab. I guess I would have to set a few shortcuts beforehand, say tab 1 to 10, but what if you had more... and what if you don't have that many tabs? I'm not sure I can bind something to an action that doesn't exist. Bit of a chicken and egg problem. Tabs can also be reordered, so what happens then? Do shortcuts just correspond to the position, or would a user expect a custom shortcut for a tab remains the same if they reorder it?

    Sounds like a bit of a headache smiley

     

    Oh, well. It's just that the now not working so well "VisualMenus" by Bitwelder had that capability and it is so nice to use. 

  • bluejauntebluejaunte Posts: 2,189

    Submitted for DS6.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,807

    bluejaunte said:

    Submitted for DS6.

    That is great. Looking forward to it.

     

  • DasTriDasTri Posts: 214
    edited June 27

    >Mentioned in promos and manual.

    Who on earth reads manuals...  :-P
    But the link to the folder works perfect with CTRL

    Any idea how to buy you a coffee for that tip without giving buymeacoffee my card data?

    But back to the main idea that would make this the tool to "meta-manage all content", to me, at least.

    The point in the promo is: "tabs ... become scrollable when there's not enough space"
    For ALL my content I need quite some tabs, way more then fit into one line, and scrolling only works up to some point.

    So a first request would be to not scroll but have an option to line break the tabs, so that all are visible.

    Still, from around 50+ tabs on that would become messy, too.

     

    The perfect solution to me would be to enable another tab line within each tab window, for an hierarchical structure, just like a filesystem tree. 
    The alternative to the tabline within each window here would be to offer a shelf icon that works as a tab.

    If either of these happens, I am fully willing to buy it as a new product.

    If it is not clear what I meant, I can create some screenshots to hopefully explain myself better. 


    Please do not consider this a request but just a suggestion - I fully understand if you have other priorities and keep this "as is". Its a very fine product alraedy.

     


     

     

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 27,216

    STOP STOP STOP

    DIM has an update for BJ Shelf today. Don't install it if you use DS4. It will remove the plugin from your DS4 installation.

  • ArtiniArtini Posts: 10,807

    barbult said:

    STOP STOP STOP

    DIM has an update for BJ Shelf today. Don't install it if you use DS4. It will remove the plugin from your DS4 installation.

    Thanks a lot for the information  - would have missed that easily.

     

  • DasTriDasTri Posts: 214
    edited July 12

    Damn. Too late.

    I only use DS4 and use the shelf heavily, by perhaps 5 minutes :-/.

    Render currently ongoing, so I can just check that in a couple of hours, but that would be a worst case problem.

    I could live with shelf not working in DS6 rather then being removed from DS4.

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  • barbultbarbult Posts: 27,216
    edited July 11
    It was not an intentional act on the part of the plugin creator to remove it from DS4. He was as shocked as we were to see that happen. I think it was just an unintentional mistake in the packaging of the DIM package. Distribution of PA DS6 plugins is breaking new ground. We'll just have to watch for a corrective DIM update again to fix this, I think.
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  • DasTriDasTri Posts: 214
    edited July 11

    Damn. I hope they get that sorted out fast. BJs Shelf is the one among roughly a hundred addons that I really use and need...
    Perhaps I should raise a ticket with DAZ to explain them the error of their ways. But if Bluejaunte is already pursuing it, I am not sure wether it helps or just disturbs work...

     

    Well, I just opened 6 just to look wether it showed up there - and it ain't. No shelf anywhere. 

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  • Bytefactory3d_96baa93fa3Bytefactory3d_96baa93fa3 Posts: 2

    I am extremely happy with this purchase, in fact I had been waiting for such tool already for years!!!

    I learnt about the CTRL-Click functionality only here in the forum, thank you so much for bringing this to my attention!

    I have a little request for a next version update: working with multiple shelf databases I frequently switch from one to the other. Can't it be made possible to make switching between different databases a little more secure? If I had added items previously and forgot (or was interrupted by real life nonsense :-)) to export the altered database, then next time when I import another database I am at risk losing my latest changes. So, if changing databases becomes a frequently used feature (which I strongly recommend to do) then the import functionality should automatically first update the currently loaded database (remembering the database filename which was last loaded), and only then delete it and replace it with the new desired database?

    Thank you so much for developing this most needed tool to finally recover control over my huge asset collection!!!

  • fullerdbfullerdb Posts: 78
    edited July 12

    I only found the warning when I came here looking for a solution... If someone is interested, at least I got it working on v6.

    First, I looked into the Plugins list in the Help menu (see image) to find this path: C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio4\plugins (yours may be different).  Then I copied dsp_BJ_SelectionHistory.dll and dsp_BJ_Shelf.dll to C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio6\plugins (again, your path may be different). I now have a Shelf in v6 (which I am not using, ironically, for the lack of support for the plugins and scripts I use in v4). It is empty, but it is there.

    I guess that, if anyone is lucky enough to find a backup of these dlls, they can copy the files to v4's plugin directory to get Shelf working again in v4.

    It bluejaunte could put the v4 files here, it would be amazing! The v6 files are from May. I hope we won't have to go two months without the plugin.

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  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 9,980
    edited July 12

    Apparently this plugin update is only for DS 6... but since the package has the very same SKU + seq. number as DS 4 version, the package should've included the plugin files for DS 4 and new DS 6... Using such a package to only install the plugin for DS 6 is really not a good way ~~ or at least name it as IM00112555-02_BJShelfPlugin.zip or something ...

    Besides, the folder structure as well as the Manifest file are set up for DS 4 rather than DS 6 !  If a user still keeps the manifest file for DS 4, the package will firstly uninstall the DS 4's plugin and install this DS 6 plugin ONLY into DS 4's plugin folder.

    I usually don't install plugin products via DIM but just dump the files into plugin folder. If you want to use this DS 6 plugin while waiting for the fix, you can extract dsp_BJ_Shelf.dll from the package to: C:\Program Files\DAZ 3D\DAZStudio6\plugins It'll work ~

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  • fullerdbfullerdb Posts: 78

    I actually want to use the plugin in DS 4.

    However, you are correct, crosswind: the files that DIM is delivering are for DS 6, but are registered as DS 4, which means that neither work because of what you described.

    As I explained before, I did get the plugin to work in DS 6; it's just a matter of copying the files from the zip to the correct place in DS 6's plugin directory. But that is not what I want. I'm hoping that someone with a backup of the old DS 4 files could share them. I have looked for them in my other computer, but I didn't have the plugin installed there...

  • crosswindcrosswind Posts: 9,980

    fullerdb said:

    I actually want to use the plugin in DS 4.

    However, you are correct, crosswind: the files that DIM is delivering are for DS 6, but are registered as DS 4, which means that neither work because of what you described.

    As I explained before, I did get the plugin to work in DS 6; it's just a matter of copying the files from the zip to the correct place in DS 6's plugin directory. But that is not what I want. I'm hoping that someone with a backup of the old DS 4 files could share them. I have looked for them in my other computer, but I didn't have the plugin installed there...

    Ah, we're not able to share any product files as it's prohibited in License Agreement. 

    I believe Daz will fix the package by providing both DLL versions of DS 4 and DS 6. I'm afraid you have to wait for some time ~~

  • DasTriDasTri Posts: 214

    So it seems all that went awry was that the V6 dll got the wrong path? 
    That seems fixable. 

    I found an older installation from May 25 and replaced the two V4 dlls. Works like a charm. Thanks a lot. yes

  • fullerdbfullerdb Posts: 78

    DasTri said:

    So it seems all that went awry was that the V6 dll got the wrong path? 
    That seems fixable. 

    I found an older installation from May 25 and replaced the two V4 dlls. Works like a charm. Thanks a lot. yes

    I wish I'd been so lucky. Perhaps the PA themselves could put the files here, if the definitive solution will take as long as we are afraid it will. I have had that level of support from another PA before.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 27,216
    Posting the files here would be giving the product away for free. That's not the solution to this problem. Good user backup discipline is what is required to recover on your own until Daz fixes the problem. If you don't have a backup, I think you'll have to wait for a Daz fix.
  • fullerdbfullerdb Posts: 78

    I don't think it is fair to make this the user's fault.

  • ZiconZicon Posts: 396

    It's no more fair to make it the PA's fault.

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