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Exactly, that's what I mean. In my reply to TimberWolf some posts back, I was pointing out the runtimes, and that it's using "Steam Linux Runtime 4.0".
This time I've attached the screenshot of both the page itself, and the actual compatibility setting I'm using. I'm not so sure now after your post, but as far as I was concerned, it already was running natively on Linux :-D
Since CachyOS is Linux and I'm running a native Linux version of Steam on Linux, and the licence Steam is showing me is (as far as I'm aware) my perpetual "SteamOS" licence for Substance Painter. I just assumed it must be running natively on Linux. Also bear in mind that I'm not having crashes. Perhaps this is why. Perhaps you're running in a different mode to me. But yup, as can be seen in the screenshots, it does state (even in brackets) that it's running on "Steam Linux Runtime Version 4.0" .
Steam Linux Runtime 4.0 is not native. That's the whole Proton/Wine layer. You need to select "Legacy Runtime 1.0" to get the native Linux version.
I think we can safely assume you were NOT running a native Linux version. Why do you think a Windows regedit change got rid of an error message in Substance Painter?
True, but how confusing then to label a Windows Runtime as a "Linux Runtime".
Legacy Runtime 1.0 won't even run the software, it just cancels itself out.
As I said that time when I gave DSP as an example, I think logically, which is why I don't get along with Linux in a technical sense. Linux to me is just pure nightmare fuel in a technical sense. I honestly cannot think of anything more confusing to learn than Linux, but at the same time, I'm damn glad it exists!
Anyway, I just did the RegEdit thing for the Paging File and unfortunately it hasn't worked. I set the minimum to 20000 MB and the max to 120000 MB assuming those settings will give access to between 2 GB and 12 GB (approx). The message in Substance Painter however is exactly the same, telling me the minimum allowable value is around 18000 MB.
I'm surprised though, cause I thought it would work after the success of the other RegEdit operation.
Might need a restart, not sure editing a page file in the registry would instantly work in Windows either. Try restarting Linux or maybe this works
I' already do a hard restart by default when messing with this stuff.
I think I'm going to play around with Substance Painter a few days.
At least it does work, and that's the main thing.
I have to say that I've been quite eager to try out Linux once more after a years long hiatus, wanting to use Daz within. But I recently tried converting an arcade PC over to Batocera from Windows and oddly experienced some regret. After some exploration, I discovered that there are things like Windows Atlas OS and its ilk, but then I found that there is something ever more remarkable - a version of Windows 11 that is largely but not completely without the bloat and telemetry that's included with the Home/Pro versions that you can have without using something to strip out everything that's unnecessary. It's Windows 11 Education, and I put it on my arcade machine. Incredibly, it does come with copilot but by default it's turned off. There isn't much bloat at all and I'm given to understand that there is still a bit that can be stripped out should I wish, and group policies are relatively easily managed to control things. So for now I think I'm still going to shelve my sojurn into Linux, even though I was going to test it out first on my arcade machine with Batocera, then my Virtual Pinball with Ubuntu and go from there on my other rigs. Now I'm just going to go with this new thing I've discovered and can be more comfortable and compatible with. I still hope to one day see more support for Linux from Daz... or any really. But this is a quite good thread, I just wanted to mention what I'd discovered so recently, not disuade anyone from going the Linux route.
@Dareshiranu
You gave me an idea. I'm back on my Windows 10 install for the first time in what feels like two months now. Since I witnesed first-hand what Windows 10 was doing without my permission, I've found some information that will hopefully prevent it happening again. I implemented the measures just now, and will find out soon whether they work or not.
So I'm back on Windows 10, and I've read many times that Windows 10 can be made good, but I do believe you are completely wasting your time with Windows 11 since I read it is literally designed to be a datamining OS for Microsoft's AI, and has been butchered in such a way to make it impossible to remove such "features".
Nah, there are some excellent resources for stripping out 11 if you know where to look. But I'm lazy, which is why I was so taken with the idea of the Education version, which has so much stripped away already but can have more removed easily enough. It's so far looking to be quite lighter and far less intrusive than my main rig's 11 Pro that I plan on converting soon enough.
That's quite different to what I read about Windows 11, so rather you than me!
Beware W11 has a tendency to put everything back as it updates ignoring your settings regarding when and what updates take place
The only way to stop it is no Wifi or ethnet capability not just turned off in the bios as W11 has been changeing settings in the bios
Bit of a reality check. CachyOS and Arch in general just pushed out a fairly major update to WINE and the Nvidia drivers over the last 48 hours which completely nuked my Daz Studio setup. You can rollback your installation but eventually you're going to have to bite the bullet and update everything so I just reinstalled everything Daz-related. If you've backed up your layouts, plugins and anything else pertinent to how you use Studio then it's no big deal. 15 minutes later it was all back up and running but if you're brand new to Linux, this may not be the distro you're looking for. I mention this because Cachy has dominated the discussion over the last few pages and I do not think it is the best starting point for new Linux users; on a day-to-day basis it's as usable as Windows and you'll get away with not really understanding how it's screwed together. Until you don't get away with it and are facing a complete OS reinstall because you lack the experience and knowledge to fix it. Arch Linux distros update daily which means you always get the latest and greatest but you also have to accept that this will break things occasionally. And because these installations are unique I can almost guarantee this didn't happen to someone else with almost the same setup. Shrug.
If you want stability and peace of mind, look to Debian and Fedora-based distros like Ubuntu (and derivatives), Pop, Nobara and Linux Mint which are updated as complete releases. All of these and many more will happily run Daz Studio, both 4.x and 6.x although, as I've mentioned before, you will lose the Nvidia Optix denoiser if you use Debian distros. I haven't been able to find a fix for that but one may exist.
Dual boot if you need the Adobe Suite or cannot use a substitute for MS Office. Everything else pretty much just works.
What got nuked exactly? I'm on latest updates and not noticing any issues in Daz Studio.
What stopped functioning was the WINE prefixes managed by Lutris. Studio, K-Cycles, and three other misc. Windows applications. It was related to (sandboxed) environment wine variables all of which ceased to exist after the update and I couldn't trace the problem - it's firewalled and they all croaked. The point really was not that x or y stopped working because these issues will vary depending on our own individual setups, but that Arch Linux might not be the best choice for people dipping their toes into Linux. At some point in the future I can guarantee you'll have a problem with an update and I won't.
Right, agree to a point. Though my solution to that, which I think I pointed out some pages ago, is to have a daily backup solution you can fall back to if things explode. In your case I don't really know if down the line these issues would've gotten fixed by more updates but generally this seems to be the case. If something doesn't work, restore a backup, wait a few days/weeks and update again. Would this issue not have happened on Fedora you think?
Also there's no need to update every day either. I guess that's also important to point out? Just because it's Arch based you don't have to update.
@TimberWolf
Thanks for the heads up on this, and to be honest I have serious suspicions about CachyOS anyway.
As my posts demonstrate, my preference was always for Debian with a GNOME interface. After using CachyOS, Debian/GNOME is still my preference and is what I'll be going back to once I sort my hardware out. I won't go into why I have suspicions about CachyOS, but there are many (none of which exist for Debian/GNOME).
Anyway, I was offered the keys to my new flat this morning, so I'll be paying an admiring visit tomorrow and moving in on Monday. So I finally have a proper council flat in a nice (mainly elderly-inhabited) area, well away from this over-priced, private hell-hole!
When I get back to the forum, I'll be trying what is shown in the video shown here, since he has DirectML working on the AMD RX580 (the video comments look promising as well). With a bit of luck, that'll keep me happy while I save the cash for the Nvidia card I pointed out on the previous page:
Oops, sorry, I pulled the Windows 10 version from my bookmarks there (a temporary option I could go for), but here's the Linux version (Including ROCm on old AMD cards), and don't forget, ROCm drivers mean dForce for Daz Studio on Linux!
@bluejaunte
I tend to update at start-up and shutdown. The fewer the packages that are installed if an issue arises, the smaller the search area. I don't think there's any right or wrong way to do this, just whatever suits your workflow. I do agree the issue may have been fixed if I'd left it for a few days or so but there's no guarantee. With proper backups and a good working knowledge of your OS, it's not really an issue. I don't do image backups because you end up reliant on your specific issue having been sorted at some indeterminate point in the future when you inevitably have to update. I just backup key directories and accept that if the OS is broken beyond my ability to repair it then I'm doing a full reinstall which will take longer than restoring an image. Again, no right or wrong way here I think, just whatever suits.
I think this would have been far less likely to happen on Fedora. I've expanded on this further below.
@3DIO
There is nothing to be 'suspicious' about re. CachyOS. It does exactly what it says on the tin. Running Arch as your only OS is for really very knowledgeable people only and I don't include myself in that category. I know enough, but I'm no guru. Both myself and bluejaunte have Windows as our ultimate fallback if it all goes really pear-shaped.
If you want to run a Linux OS as your only OS you need to look at something which has proper professional, rather than community, backing. CachyOS is not that. One that is: Red Hat Enterprise Linux is used by militaries and contractors worldwide, by the National Health Service in the UK, by a load of blue-chip corpos. It's more stable and bug-free than any Windows distro. If you see the words 'stable' and 'Linux' in the same sentence though, you can mentally substitute the word 'old'. RHEL is the Z80 of operating systems. It's been around forever, it's thoroughly understood, has proper professional support, requires a subscription and you won't be playing games on it or running Studio. (You can get a free version if you sign up as a developer but, really, don't!)
Downstream from that is Fedora - same code, newer packages with rigorous testing. It's not as straightofrward to install and setup as something like Linux Mint or Ubuntu (both recommended for new folks), but it is more reliable.
That's what I would recommend to you and most people. Debian is fine but it's another community effort. There is a minimalist install of Fedora (although your definition of 'bloat' is peculiar to you - most of us would describe it as software we don't want which impacts system performance *which we can't uninstall*. Windows Edge. Windows telemetry. That's bloat. Not a software package you can remove in a few seconds and doesn't magically reinstall itself after an update) but I suspect you will do your own thing as usual :)
Also, once again, the ROCm stack will not provide dForce in Studio with your GPU. You'll need elements of it for Studio to see the card but beyond that, no. Re-read the conversations!
@TimberWolf
Just to be clear though, you're saying the second video would be of no use to me, but not the first? The first is actually Windows 10, and from the sounds of it I can expect to get my AMD RX580 running that way if all else fails. Important to note that either way, it's not intended as a permanent solution. I reckon me buying a new card is at least a year away now since I've got to put aside some cash for carpet, curtains and blinds for at least the living room to be going on with.
So I really hope that at least the first video will work for me, otherwise I can't play with AI at all until I get the new card.
Anyway, things are going to get pretty hectic for me from tomorrow. I'll be reading the forums now and then, but intentionally not logging in so as to not get distracted until I'm settled in. Gonna be at least a month until I get back to the computer stuff I reckon, but the move is worth it so I'm not complaining!