The 'Eat Your Food and Like It' Complaint Thread

butterflyfish · May 7

Richard Haseltine said:

butterflyfish said:

I have an RTX 3050 8GB. But the repair guy did loan me a GTX1080 8GB, and it did the same thing. So unless there's something causing both of them to overheat, the graphics card shouldn't be the problem.

Yes, that does largely absolve the GPU itself. Memory is quite limited, at least for Iray, especially on the 1080 (because that uses an extra ~1GB to simulate the RTX features).

Yeah, the 1080 wasn't doing much in DS. I ended up test-crashing it with a game instead, IIRC.

The repair guy thinks the problem is that "Windows 11 is scattered across multiple drives." But I have no clue how that could have happened since I bought the PC with Win11 already on it, and it only had one drive at the time. I have programs installed on my D and E drives, but that's all I've done. Apparently the solution for this problem is wiping all the drives and reinstalling. But I'm starting to feel like I just have a piece of junk that needs retiring.

Richard Haseltine · May 8

butterflyfish said:

Richard Haseltine said:

butterflyfish said:

I have an RTX 3050 8GB. But the repair guy did loan me a GTX1080 8GB, and it did the same thing. So unless there's something causing both of them to overheat, the graphics card shouldn't be the problem.

Yes, that does largely absolve the GPU itself. Memory is quite limited, at least for Iray, especially on the 1080 (because that uses an extra ~1GB to simulate the RTX features).

Yeah, the 1080 wasn't doing much in DS. I ended up test-crashing it with a game instead, IIRC.

The repair guy thinks the problem is that "Windows 11 is scattered across multiple drives." But I have no clue how that could have happened since I bought the PC with Win11 already on it, and it only had one drive at the time. I have programs installed on my D and E drives, but that's all I've done. Apparently the solution for this problem is wiping all the drives and reinstalling. But I'm starting to feel like I just have a piece of junk that needs retiring.

Hmm, the whole diagnosis sounds weird and doesn't inspire confidence. t could well be a driver issue or some kind of conflict, but a compleet wipe still seems drastic. Have you tried system file checker (SFC), a built-iin tool that can check for bad/damaged bits of Windows itself?

butterflyfish · May 8

Richard Haseltine said:

butterflyfish said:

Richard Haseltine said:

butterflyfish said:

I have an RTX 3050 8GB. But the repair guy did loan me a GTX1080 8GB, and it did the same thing. So unless there's something causing both of them to overheat, the graphics card shouldn't be the problem.

Yes, that does largely absolve the GPU itself. Memory is quite limited, at least for Iray, especially on the 1080 (because that uses an extra ~1GB to simulate the RTX features).

Yeah, the 1080 wasn't doing much in DS. I ended up test-crashing it with a game instead, IIRC.

The repair guy thinks the problem is that "Windows 11 is scattered across multiple drives." But I have no clue how that could have happened since I bought the PC with Win11 already on it, and it only had one drive at the time. I have programs installed on my D and E drives, but that's all I've done. Apparently the solution for this problem is wiping all the drives and reinstalling. But I'm starting to feel like I just have a piece of junk that needs retiring.

Hmm, the whole diagnosis sounds weird and doesn't inspire confidence. t could well be a driver issue or some kind of conflict, but a compleet wipe still seems drastic. Have you tried system file checker (SFC), a built-iin tool that can check for bad/damaged bits of Windows itself?

I haven't. I will look into that. Thanks.

edit: Well, I ran it (preceded by DISM because Google told me to). It found some stuff and repaired it, but I got 24 minutes into a render and it rebooted anyway.

Xyetzt · May 8

I was thinking of Bad Wolf.

garrett_3d · May 8

butterflyfish said:

Richard Haseltine said:

butterflyfish said:

Richard Haseltine said:

butterflyfish said:

I have an RTX 3050 8GB. But the repair guy did loan me a GTX1080 8GB, and it did the same thing. So unless there's something causing both of them to overheat, the graphics card shouldn't be the problem.

Yes, that does largely absolve the GPU itself. Memory is quite limited, at least for Iray, especially on the 1080 (because that uses an extra ~1GB to simulate the RTX features).

Yeah, the 1080 wasn't doing much in DS. I ended up test-crashing it with a game instead, IIRC.

The repair guy thinks the problem is that "Windows 11 is scattered across multiple drives." But I have no clue how that could have happened since I bought the PC with Win11 already on it, and it only had one drive at the time. I have programs installed on my D and E drives, but that's all I've done. Apparently the solution for this problem is wiping all the drives and reinstalling. But I'm starting to feel like I just have a piece of junk that needs retiring.

Hmm, the whole diagnosis sounds weird and doesn't inspire confidence. t could well be a driver issue or some kind of conflict, but a compleet wipe still seems drastic. Have you tried system file checker (SFC), a built-iin tool that can check for bad/damaged bits of Windows itself?

I haven't. I will look into that. Thanks.

edit: Well, I ran it (preceded by DISM because Google told me to). It found some stuff and repaired it, but I got 24 minutes into a render and it rebooted anyway.

Try limiting CPU cores in the hardware tab, just above the CPU fallback tick box. If you have 12 cores, limit to 10, if you have 16, limit to 14. It may resolve the issue, it may not, but it will eliminate overload as a potential cause.

AgitatedRiot · May 8

butterflyfish said:

Richard Haseltine said:

That's only the CPU, though. If thiis is happening in rendering and games it would be more likely to be the GPU that is overheating (if anything is).

PSUs do degrade with time, how old is it? (Not that I am wedded to the idea, it is just another thing that could throw the odd glitch that might be related to system load.)

It's 2 years old. I upgraded it in early 2024 when I upgraded my motherboard and put in the CPU I got from AgitatedRiot (thank you again, AR).

edit: I've had it rendering the UltraScenery scene that it crashed on the other day for over 9 minutes now, and the GPU is at 60°C or so, which 72°C as the hotspot. It hasn't crashed yet, but would it suddenly get hotter later in the render?

You are welcome.

Suppose you remember what I said about that CPU. I had to underclock because of thermal throttling. Even with an AIO I had on it.

Intel® Extreme Tuning Utility (Intel® XTU) will help you underclock.

The two images below show what my new processor does in the default state, with the voltage will throttle. It would also throttle for thermal. The second image shows where I set my CPU to prevent throttling on both thermals and voltage. I could bump it up, but why? My RTX 3090 does most of the load.

LeatherGryphon · May 8

Non-complaint: Had a late morning breakfast with Symphony Buddy at Bob Evans, on Wednesday. Pigged out on one of their big breakfast offerings. Mmmm... bacon, egg, biscuit & gravy, hashbrowns, orange juice, ham, coffee.

Complaint: The next morning my weight was up two and a half pounds. But I still loved that breakfast. This morning, at home, breakfast was a fresh Bosc pear, four ounces of V8 juice, and black coffee. And my weight is back to normal after the weight gaining mini-adventure mid-week. Actually, come to think of it, all my mini-adventures usually turn out as weight related mis-adventures.

butterflyfish · May 8

AgitatedRiot said:

butterflyfish said:

Richard Haseltine said:

That's only the CPU, though. If thiis is happening in rendering and games it would be more likely to be the GPU that is overheating (if anything is).

PSUs do degrade with time, how old is it? (Not that I am wedded to the idea, it is just another thing that could throw the odd glitch that might be related to system load.)

It's 2 years old. I upgraded it in early 2024 when I upgraded my motherboard and put in the CPU I got from AgitatedRiot (thank you again, AR).

edit: I've had it rendering the UltraScenery scene that it crashed on the other day for over 9 minutes now, and the GPU is at 60°C or so, which 72°C as the hotspot. It hasn't crashed yet, but would it suddenly get hotter later in the render?

You are welcome.

Suppose you remember what I said about that CPU. I had to underclock because of thermal throttling. Even with an AIO I had on it.

Intel® Extreme Tuning Utility (Intel® XTU) will help you underclock.

The two images below show what my new processor does in the default state, with the voltage will throttle. It would also throttle for thermal. The second image shows where I set my CPU to prevent throttling on both thermals and voltage. I could bump it up, but why? My RTX 3090 does most of the load.

The XTU won't run on my system, apparently. (see image) Not sure what to do from there.

@garett_3d : CPU load limit? Would that make a a difference if I have CPU fallback unchecked?

garrett_3d · May 8

If you have fallback unchecked then it won't make any difference. Have you tried enabling it? If you are running out of vRAM on the GPU, this may solve the issue.

SilverGirl · May 8

Richard Haseltine said:

butterflyfish said:

Richard Haseltine said:

butterflyfish said:

I have an RTX 3050 8GB. But the repair guy did loan me a GTX1080 8GB, and it did the same thing. So unless there's something causing both of them to overheat, the graphics card shouldn't be the problem.

Yes, that does largely absolve the GPU itself. Memory is quite limited, at least for Iray, especially on the 1080 (because that uses an extra ~1GB to simulate the RTX features).

Yeah, the 1080 wasn't doing much in DS. I ended up test-crashing it with a game instead, IIRC.

The repair guy thinks the problem is that "Windows 11 is scattered across multiple drives." But I have no clue how that could have happened since I bought the PC with Win11 already on it, and it only had one drive at the time. I have programs installed on my D and E drives, but that's all I've done. Apparently the solution for this problem is wiping all the drives and reinstalling. But I'm starting to feel like I just have a piece of junk that needs retiring.

Hmm, the whole diagnosis sounds weird and doesn't inspire confidence.

Yeah, I'm not a tech expert, but that sounds like a "your blinker fluid is low" type of diagnosis.

butterflyfish · May 8

garrett_3d said:

If you have fallback unchecked then it won't make any difference. Have you tried enabling it? If you are running out of vRAM on the GPU, this may solve the issue.

I just tried it with fallback on and CPU load limit set at 18 (was 20). It lasted longer (37 minutes instead of 24), but it still rebooted before the render finished.

garrett_3d · May 8

Hmmmm. This is a strange one. It's difficult to diagnose properly when there's lightyears of cyberspace between us and your machine.

What's the duf file size? Is it an asset heavy scene?

AgitatedRiot · May 8

butterflyfish said:

AgitatedRiot said:

butterflyfish said:

Richard Haseltine said:

That's only the CPU, though. If thiis is happening in rendering and games it would be more likely to be the GPU that is overheating (if anything is).

PSUs do degrade with time, how old is it? (Not that I am wedded to the idea, it is just another thing that could throw the odd glitch that might be related to system load.)

It's 2 years old. I upgraded it in early 2024 when I upgraded my motherboard and put in the CPU I got from AgitatedRiot (thank you again, AR).

edit: I've had it rendering the UltraScenery scene that it crashed on the other day for over 9 minutes now, and the GPU is at 60°C or so, which 72°C as the hotspot. It hasn't crashed yet, but would it suddenly get hotter later in the render?

You are welcome.

Suppose you remember what I said about that CPU. I had to underclock because of thermal throttling. Even with an AIO I had on it.

Intel® Extreme Tuning Utility (Intel® XTU) will help you underclock.

The two images below show what my new processor does in the default state, with the voltage will throttle. It would also throttle for thermal. The second image shows where I set my CPU to prevent throttling on both thermals and voltage. I could bump it up, but why? My RTX 3090 does most of the load.

The XTU won't run on my system, apparently. (see image) Not sure what to do from there.

@garett_3d : CPU load limit? Would that make a a difference if I have CPU fallback unchecked?

Enable VBS via Windows Security

Press Win + I to open Settings.

Go to Privacy & Security → Windows Security → Device Security.

Under Core Isolation, click Core Isolation Details.

Turn Memory Integrity ON (this is part of VBS).

Restart your PC.

If it says Disabled, enable it in your BIOS/UEFI.

AgitatedRiot · May 8

butterflyfish said:

garrett_3d said:

If you have fallback unchecked then it won't make any difference. Have you tried enabling it? If you are running out of vRAM on the GPU, this may solve the issue.

I just tried it with fallback on and CPU load limit set at 18 (was 20). It lasted longer (37 minutes instead of 24), but it still rebooted before the render finished.

I have found that setting the CPU to fall back on doesn't always work in DAZ3D.settings

You can set Affinity in the task manager, and it always works well. Just right-click and select affinity; I set my affinity to 5 to 10 counts. I have 31 cores.

See Images.

butterflyfish · May 8

garrett_3d said:

Hmmmm. This is a strange one. It's difficult to diagnose properly when there's lightyears of cyberspace between us and your machine.

What's the duf file size? Is it an asset heavy scene?

This particular scene is about 8 MB. It's just an Ultrascenery 2 scene with nothing else in it but the HDRI for the sky. But it crashes on pretty much anything that takes a while to render.

butterflyfish · May 8

AgitatedRiot said:

butterflyfish said:

AgitatedRiot said:

butterflyfish said:

Richard Haseltine said:

That's only the CPU, though. If thiis is happening in rendering and games it would be more likely to be the GPU that is overheating (if anything is).

PSUs do degrade with time, how old is it? (Not that I am wedded to the idea, it is just another thing that could throw the odd glitch that might be related to system load.)

It's 2 years old. I upgraded it in early 2024 when I upgraded my motherboard and put in the CPU I got from AgitatedRiot (thank you again, AR).

edit: I've had it rendering the UltraScenery scene that it crashed on the other day for over 9 minutes now, and the GPU is at 60°C or so, which 72°C as the hotspot. It hasn't crashed yet, but would it suddenly get hotter later in the render?

You are welcome.

Suppose you remember what I said about that CPU. I had to underclock because of thermal throttling. Even with an AIO I had on it.

Intel® Extreme Tuning Utility (Intel® XTU) will help you underclock.

The two images below show what my new processor does in the default state, with the voltage will throttle. It would also throttle for thermal. The second image shows where I set my CPU to prevent throttling on both thermals and voltage. I could bump it up, but why? My RTX 3090 does most of the load.

The XTU won't run on my system, apparently. (see image) Not sure what to do from there.

@garett_3d : CPU load limit? Would that make a a difference if I have CPU fallback unchecked?

Enable VBS via Windows Security

Press Win + I to open Settings.

Go to Privacy & Security → Windows Security → Device Security.

Under Core Isolation, click Core Isolation Details.

Turn Memory Integrity ON (this is part of VBS).

Restart your PC.

If it says Disabled, enable it in your BIOS/UEFI.

Memory Intergrity was already on.

butterflyfish · May 8

AgitatedRiot said:

butterflyfish said:

garrett_3d said:

If you have fallback unchecked then it won't make any difference. Have you tried enabling it? If you are running out of vRAM on the GPU, this may solve the issue.

I just tried it with fallback on and CPU load limit set at 18 (was 20). It lasted longer (37 minutes instead of 24), but it still rebooted before the render finished.

I have found that setting the CPU to fall back on doesn't always work in DAZ3D.settings

You can set Affinity in the task manager, and it always works well. Just right-click and select affinity; I set my affinity to 5 to 10 counts. I have 31 cores.

See Images.

OK, I will try that.

edit: Nope. Didn't help. Thank you anyway.

kyoto kid · May 9

...hmm been reading through this and never had this happen. I'm rendering with 24 GB of DDR2 on a 6 core Xeon 5660 and a Maxwell Titan-X (depreciated) with a relatively new EVGA 850W PSU and an old Nvidia driver.(the last one that supports WIn7) Rendering a scene takes time, but it doesn't crash, (though I have yet to use Ultrascenery)...

The biggest scene I ever rendered was my railway station scene which was about 10.8 GB and rendered on the CPU (didn't have a high VRAM GPU at the time). Took about 6 hours as I remember, but no crashes.

AgitatedRiot · May 9

Have you done a memory test?

Windows has a tool for it: it's Windows Memory Diagnostic. In the search box on your taskbar, type Mem " and it should pop up and run it.

memcneil70 · May 9

Non-Complaint: After three years, Simon let me hold his partial front right leg and give it light strokes and massage. No bites or nibbles. Maybe a little purr was heard.

@butterflyfish, I have nothing to add to your investigation except good thoughts for you and your computer to come through this safely and with success.

butterflyfish · May 9

AgitatedRiot said:

Have you done a memory test?

Windows has a tool for it: it's Windows Memory Diagnostic. In the search box on your taskbar, type Mem " and it should pop up and run it.

Yes, it didn't find anything.

@memcneil70 : Thank you. Also, purrs make everything worth it. Cats are the best.

AgitatedRiot · May 9

I sent you a link to a few of the utilities .bat files on it to check system health, and the Scannow bat. Run as Adim, don't worry about the memory test

butterflyfish · May 9

AgitatedRiot said:

I sent you a link to a few of the utilities .bat files on it to check system health, and the Scannow bat. Run as Adim, don't worry about the memory test

Got them. Thank you.

butterflyfish · May 9

Well, I ran the files. I also shut off "Enhanced MultiCore Performance" in the BIOS and reduced the Max Processor State to 99% in Control Panel > Power Options to try and throttle the CPU a bit.

Non-complaint: I managed to run the render for 2 hours until it timed out.

Complaint: I tried gaming (Planet Coaster) and it rebooted within ten minutes.

But I'll take it. I was more concerned about rendering anyway. And I only paid $3 for the game. Thank you to everyone who helped.

AgitatedRiot · May 9

Getting close. It's either the processor or the video card. Let's stress that the GPU.

FurMark2 download | Geeks3D

SilverGirl · May 9

memcneil70 said:

Non-Complaint: After three years, Simon let me hold his partial front right leg and give it light strokes and massage. No bites or nibbles. Maybe a little purr was heard.

<3 This gave me such a smile. Thank you for sharing.

non-complaint: Yesterday Little Dude announced out of nowhere, "It's a square button" in reference to the screen on one of his learning apps.

There was, indeed, a square button on the screen.

It's wild what's important enough for words when so many other things I would think were more urgent go without.

I'm excited no matter what he's saying, but so often I can't help a "really? of all things... THAT?" reaction in the back of my head.

Xyetzt · May 9

Apparently the free premier bundle coupon works only on the bundle. I accidentally put just the character in my cart and wondered why the coupon didn't work.

butterflyfish · May 9

AgitatedRiot said:

Getting close. It's either the processor or the video card. Let's stress that the GPU.

FurMark2 download | Geeks3D

OK, I ran the test for about 30 minutes with no crashing (see image).

The repair guy did have me borrow a GTX1080 8GB, and it did the same thing (rebooted). He also said he put in a different processor and that did it, too. IDK how that figures in.

kyoto kid · May 10

...by all rights with my ancient (now obsolete) hardware running on an OS that is almost 6-½ years past its EOL I should be experiencing such issues regularly. About the only time I get any sort off crash event, it sometimes involves the display driver when running dForce sims, not rendering.

If this is a recent situation it makes me wonder if a connection may be loose somewhere or something (possibly on the motherboard) is approaching a point of failure.

memcneil70 · May 10

SilverGirl said:

memcneil70 said:

Non-Complaint: After three years, Simon let me hold his partial front right leg and give it light strokes and massage. No bites or nibbles. Maybe a little purr was heard.

<3 This gave me such a smile. Thank you for sharing.

non-complaint: Yesterday Little Dude announced out of nowhere, "It's a square button" in reference to the screen on one of his learning apps.

There was, indeed, a square button on the screen.

It's wild what's important enough for words when so many other things I would think were more urgent go without.

I'm excited no matter what he's saying, but so often I can't help a "really? of all things... THAT?" reaction in the back of my head.

I thought of how we learn differently. Maybe this is true regardless of the challenges a person has. And it seems obscure to others and sometimes ourselves but it may be the magic of our brain cells. Happy Hugs for you all.

Mary

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