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  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    j cade said:
    If you think that's weird, look up the paintings of Saint Bernard and Mary. I'll just say it fits the breast theme nicely

    If you can get anything other than the dog...

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,728
    mjc1016 said:
    j cade said:
    If you think that's weird, look up the paintings of Saint Bernard and Mary. I'll just say it fits the breast theme nicely

    If you can get anything other than the dog...

    Probably a good idea to have "Safe Search" on too.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,391
    j cade said:
    Often it wasn't desirable so much in terms of health as wealth. The nobility were often highly unhealthy,(inbreeding and eating raw unlaid eggs will do that to you). Once food became cheeper it became much less of a status symbol.

    That was true much later, but not during the time the Venus figurines date from.  Those are artifacts of the Paleolithic era, well prior to the first attempts at agriculture..  The concepts of noble and priest classes really only devloped much later during the Neolithic, when more consistant food sources allowed the hunter-gatherer societies of the Paleolithic and Mesolithic to be replaced by more permanent social structures.  And, of course, ironically, the diet of the  hunter gatherers turns out to have actually been a lot more balanced and healthy than that of the first agrarian communities, where the focus was usually on a much more limited variety of food staples that inevitably led to dietary deficiencies.  It's about at this point that I inevitably launch into a plug for Jared Diamond's amazing book Guns, Germs & Steel, which covers all this and much more in fascinating detail.  So.here's the wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,391
    timmins.william said:

    I don't know if I can link the mult-breasted goddess of Ephesus ...

     

    Even if, as it turns out, those aren't breasts.

    She's wearing a garland of dozens of bull testes.

     

    Ancients were hilarious. ;)

    Alas, I suppose if someone wants winged phalluses like the ancient Romans liked to carve, that would have to be on Renderotica.

     

     

    No really.  I think it depends on how "realistic" the depiction is, as there are a lot of obvious phalluses... or phalli, which is also correct and much funnier to say... in everyday life.  Kind of like how a layer of bodypaint suddenly makes someone legally "not naked" as far as boradcast TV is concerned.  And as far as buildings go... See https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-of-the-most-phallic-buildings-in-the-world

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310

    That whole bit of history is so much fun and so very much not safe for life. I first learned about Bernard through his feud with Abelard (he was like the real-life Romeo! only instead of committing suicide his girlfriend's family castrated him) and the general impression I got was he was a stodgy and awful.

    Abelard was vindicated in history, though. He's remembered as a great philosopher. Bernard is the guy who claimed his eye infection was cured in a dream by the Virgin Mary's breast milk. (okay this is an oversimplification, he's also remembered as the main proponent of the disastrous 2nd crusade too!)

    @Cybersox13 I was more referring to the reference to reubenesque, That time period is more in my wheelhouse. I keep on meaning to read guns, germs, and steel I have it somewhere I think. I have read up  lot less on the Paleolithic era,I generally end up interested in eras and cultures that have lots of music for me to listen to.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    History was also written by men, and invariably the wealthy and/or influential ones; this too will have skewed the information we have available. We've only recently become to get the female angle on breasts, as women were not supposed to concern themselves with such matters. So it is likely even now, that this talk of sex sells - suggested on these forums - has a definite bias.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,090

    I was just reading something, somewhere, about Star Trek and censorship. For a while, showing a belly button was scandalous, so you'd have weird outfits or (as Star Trek did) jewels in navels a lot. Since a jewel makes it TOTES different. There's some later movie Roddenberry did where an alien woman had two belly buttons, maybe as a thumbing nose at censors. Heh.

    For a while long kisses were considered too risque. Hitchcock got his revenge with a scene where the characters kissed the required max length (3 seconds)... over and over and over. The censors could do nothing.

     

  • McGrandpaMcGrandpa Posts: 464
    kyoto kid said:
    Cybersox13 said:

    The evolution of the female form as visualized by DAZ is a great example of how trends tend to amplify and distort with repeated use until they reach the level of self-parody.  Between the overly generous bosoms and the extreme curvatures of the lower spine, a lot of these poor creatures would probably be in pretty bad shape in real life.  But that's clearly what the market is buying, so I can't fault the PAs for feeding fantasies... especially when this unhealthy body standard has moved out of the realm of comics and fantasy art and now pervades real-life photography with the overzealous use of Photoshop.   

    ...yeah, it's the old "sexy sells" issue again. 

    Really a pain for us illustrators who want to create more "realistic" (not in the photo sense) characters.

    I wanna take an opportunity to tell ya Kyoto Kid, I really like your BRAVE! anim clip!  :oD

     

  • zombietaggerungzombietaggerung Posts: 3,860
    nicstt said:

    History was also written by men, and invariably the wealthy and/or influential ones; this too will have skewed the information we have available. We've only recently become to get the female angle on breasts, as women were not supposed to concern themselves with such matters. So it is likely even now, that this talk of sex sells - suggested on these forums - has a definite bias.

    +1

  • daveleitzdaveleitz Posts: 459
    timmins.william said:

    I was just reading something, somewhere, about Star Trek and censorship. For a while, showing a belly button was scandalous, so you'd have weird outfits or (as Star Trek did) jewels in navels a lot. Since a jewel makes it TOTES different. There's some later movie Roddenberry did where an alien woman had two belly buttons, maybe as a thumbing nose at censors. Heh.

    For a while long kisses were considered too risque. Hitchcock got his revenge with a scene where the characters kissed the required max length (3 seconds)... over and over and over. The censors could do nothing.

     

    I recall that Barbara Eden couldn't show her navel in "I Dream of Jeannie."

  • EtriganEtrigan Posts: 603

    I also believe it was US media that began the habit of feminine shaving and hairless male chests, as it was taboo to depict body hair on TV or in film. I think Sean Connery as James Bond was the first hairy chest to be seen in movies (thus the heirsuit spy in Austin Powers). 

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,281
    edited October 2015

    If you replace male genitals with a cannon- or gun barrel you're probably safe... 

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,005

    ..OK  I can deal with Machine Gun Juggies, but a Willy Cannon...?

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,090

    Watch much Quentin Tarantino?

     

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,281
    kyoto kid said:

    ..OK  I can deal with Machine Gun Juggies, but a Willy Cannon...?

    Well I've heard certain rumours about black men...

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,925
    Etrigan said:

    I also believe it was US media that began the habit of feminine shaving and hairless male chests, as it was taboo to depict body hair on TV or in film. I think Sean Connery as James Bond was the first hairy chest to be seen in movies (thus the heirsuit spy in Austin Powers). 

    Love Sean Connery! I don't care what his chest looks like, that accent, quirk of the eyebrows, and steely gaze when he decides to take on the bad guys, made me a fan years ago!

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,281
    timmins.william said:

    Watch much Quentin Tarantino?

     

    No, just musing about the idea that genitals apparently are more dangerous than guns.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Taozen said:
    timmins.william said:

    Watch much Quentin Tarantino?

     

    No, just musing about the idea that genitals apparently are more dangerous than guns.

    What! You didn't know that violence is ok but nudity not?

    Which is kind of weird, cause sex is ok; it must considering many of the poses and outfits available.

    ... So violence is ok, sex is ok, but nudity is not. frown

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,090

    Quentin Tarantino has used this device in several movies:
     

  • wizwiz Posts: 1,100
    timmins.william said:

    I was just reading something, somewhere, about Star Trek and censorship. For a while, showing a belly button was scandalous, so you'd have weird outfits or (as Star Trek did) jewels in navels a lot. Since a jewel makes it TOTES different. There's some later movie Roddenberry did where an alien woman had two belly buttons, maybe as a thumbing nose at censors. Heh.

    For a while long kisses were considered too risque. Hitchcock got his revenge with a scene where the characters kissed the required max length (3 seconds)... over and over and over. The censors could do nothing.

    Star Trek showed navels.

    http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/stexpanded/images/4/48/Uhura_distracts_Hikaru_Sulu_(mirror).jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110111214524

    I think Roddenberry simply liked the jewels.

    He was always going on about the problems the censors had with the underside of the breasts, and when he did "The Next Generation" in 1987, he showed them off in the very first regular episode "The Naked Now".

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,281
    timmins.william said:

    Quentin Tarantino has used this device in several movies:
     

    I guess no chastity belt can resist that.... 

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    One word on that crotch gun: recoil.
  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I think the original Deanna troi on next generation was supposed to have multiple breasts. But they cut that from the show

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    j cade said:
    One word on that crotch gun: recoil.

    Thanks for that... Ouch!

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,090

    Now I'm suddenly curious how many 'extra breast' morphs there are on Renderotica. But my son is home, and, well.

     

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    timmins.william said:

    Now I'm suddenly curious how many 'extra breast' morphs there are on Renderotica. But my son is home, and, well.

     

    Ha! Like he wouldn't be interested. laugh

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,090

    He's 7. He's very alert and extremely curious, and I'd be hearing him tell random strangers about it for the next month...

     

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001
    timmins.william said:

    He's 7. He's very alert and extremely curious, and I'd be hearing him tell random strangers about it for the next month...

     

    Yeah...but then again, my wife is an OB nurse and lactation consultant...sooooooooo.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    timmins.william said:

    He's 7. He's very alert and extremely curious, and I'd be hearing him tell random strangers about it for the next month...

     

    LOL. It's always funny the things kids say; except if you're the subject of said discloser of course.

  • cosmo71cosmo71 Posts: 3,609
    timmins.william said:

    The core morphs (like http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-2-female-morphs-bundle ) include a lot of options. I think sharecg and other places may have things like extra flattening morphs. Then there's Ninive and a few other petite types.

    I agree, but there ARE options.


     

     

    yes, there are options and the results are not good.

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