Breasts
Scarecrow
Posts: 182
Just a thought, how bout a female model that doesn't have oversized breasts? How about some breast shape morphs that do something other than make the breasts larger? For all the talk about realism around here...
On my main female character I've been developing, I've gone into the parameters and adjusted them so that I can make the breasts even smaller than you would be able to with default settings. My girlfriend still says they're too big to look natural and that it cheapens the character, and I have to agree with her...
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The core morphs (like http://www.daz3d.com/genesis-2-female-morphs-bundle ) include a lot of options. I think sharecg and other places may have things like extra flattening morphs. Then there's Ninive and a few other petite types.
I agree, but there ARE options.
I tend to have to combine a little of the Breasts Gone with the small morph, and add some natural too, otherwise they look like baloons stuck on.
I think the standard female here has oversized breasts. It has gotten fairly commonplace. I usually dial them down. Michael 6 also has pretty robust pecs.
On thinner figures I prefer smaller. On curvier plumper figures bigger makes more sense. But judging by the average figure model and what I see in the gallery big breasts are popular.
Yeah, I usually dial down breasts and then up body weight, which more naturally expands things.
The one exception is if I'm stress testing fit morphs and the like.
Or if I'm trying to be funny...
http://willbear.deviantart.com/art/Heroine-Problems-532870241
And then there is natural vs enhanced, LOL.Unless my image is for a specific reason/commision and the female needs to look dumpy/normal/homley, whatever the term, I, personally can't imagine rendering a figure that I find unattractive, probably why I never use canned character morphs, they are always to big.. My problem is that I have spent waaaaaaay to much time over the years around model/dancer type women where implants are the norm. I can't count how many doctor visits I have been to where they have wanted me along to help them decide, LOL.
So to me, thin/athletic women with implants is "normal"........ and my preference, therein lies the beauty of morph packages, everyone wins.
And then again you get some poor females who are well endowed naturally and end up having surgery in order to get rid of the large breasts because they are so tired of the permanent back ache of carrying them around. We have a young friend who is saving up for the money to pay for an op to reduce her boobs for just that reason. This is something that some people don't appreciate. Natural large boobs are a strain on the person having them.
Normal is certainly a regional thing. Normal is un-implanted where I live, which I'm cool with. Most people can't afford them where I live anyway.
I had a friend who wanted to get that done. She was in law enforcement and the naturally large breasts were really a pain. Especially squashed under a armored vest all day. She complained of back aches, and well, tops were tough to fit.
In general, I like normal and natural looking breasts on my 3d characters. Once something becomes popular I'm honestly less inclined to render it. And a peek in the gallery will show you that people seem to really be into huge breasts. I find it boring. But then again, I don't like to do what is popular and am less inclined to want to render beautiful women than the average DAZ user.
If you have the Measure Metrics, or rather the included Figure Metrics, plug-in that adds a BustCircumference morph that looks as if it will reduce fairly cleanly (at least for G3F, I haven't tried the versions on Genesis and G2F).
For those who are interested http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/63451/glute-and-breast-control-genesis-3-female-commercial#latest
Works just fine on G2F. Personally I think Serene Night is being very gentle and polite. The majority of images in Gallery and Deviant Art feature impossibly large and out pf proportion breasts, almost always with comments about "beautiful, sexy, etc". Makes me worry about folks. Deformed is alwys the word that comes to my mind.
On topic, there are more than enough options in the standard morphs to create decent smaller breasts. There are many more morphs like Zev0's and other to allow virtually any size and contour.
There's no shortage of morph options, just got to pay a bit for them. But usually they are well worth it.
There are morph packages by Posermatic in the DAZ store dedicated to smaller breasts.
http://www.daz3d.com/posermatic
well they don't mention which base female they are using but yeah if it's genesis 3 you'll want zevo's breast control 3 when released it'll be a must buy as is shapeshift 3 and if it's genesis 2 well he has that covered too and you can add some of the others others have done too for more diversity but you'll want zevo's products for sure thanks to zevo/draagonstorm I have created a lot of unique and realistic female characters of various shapes and sizes and skintones + I've gotten hang of headshop (that's by someone else) I still buy a lot of premade stuff because I like it but I can and have the options to make a lot of origional unique ones too variety is the spice of life. There are a few premades that aren't fully endowed yes but you gottta search or adjust them and most are a stanard shape too sadly whereas as in real life there are so many different shapes of breasts as well as sizes and being able to give my ladies different shaped breasts is very important to me
..there are also NPMs (Natrual Petite Morphs) for VIcky6.
Slender Stephanie 6 also has morphs for smaller breasts as well as do the Growing Up morphs. I also like the Youth Posture morph and use it even with adult characters to help deal with the "swayback" most Daz females have.
I remember it was a real struggle to make teens, preteens, and just more petite breasted characters with only Vicky4 .If you dialed the breasts down too far the mesh would often distort badly which would also show in any clothing that was fitted to a character. About the only way around it was to create a custom morph on your own or hope someone else did and either put it out as a freebie or commercial content. That is how I ended up with a lot of Thorne/Sarsa fey characters as they loaded in with smaller breast sizes, and more petite physiques.
Steph 4 was a big help as she not only had a petite body shape and loaded in at around 5/5" but was also the first to get a set of NPMs as well.
Since the morphs that make the breast larger tend to work/look better than the morphs to make the breast smaller I would prefer the base shapes had smaller breast to begin with. Bethany was one of the few fuller gals to have her breast in reasonable proportion to her overall figure.
The evolution of the female form as visualized by DAZ is a great example of how trends tend to amplify and distort with repeated use until they reach the level of self-parody. Between the overly generous bosoms and the extreme curvatures of the lower spine, a lot of these poor creatures would probably be in pretty bad shape in real life. But that's clearly what the market is buying, so I can't fault the PAs for feeding fantasies... especially when this unhealthy body standard has moved out of the realm of comics and fantasy art and now pervades real-life photography with the overzealous use of Photoshop.
True, but not any different from the look (Rubenesque) romaticized by the paintings of Peter Paul Rubens of which would be considered unhealthy and obese (30+ lbs overweight) by todays medical standards.
Hey...it's not as bad as it was 20,000 yrs ago...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_figurines
...yeah, it's the old "sexy sells" issue again.
Really a pain for us illustrators who want to create more "realistic" (not in the photo sense) characters.
Sexy sells or some testosterone poisoned, adolescent male with a mammary fixation's idea of sexy?
Since the other thread is now quite old, I finally got around to uploading my posture correcting morphs for g3. They're over at share cg here too for posterity, but putting them here in the forroms as well, since they're a wopping 4kbs.
The one thing I was really hoping for with this generation was that the breast gone morph would have more consistant fixers, at least for the main daz shapes. Next project for me to do I guess.
I agree that it is much harder to shape small breasts, due to mesh distortions, than to shape big ones. A smaller base would therefore be helpful, I think.
Thanks J.Cade, these are cool. Also I passed the message onto Daz that the Breast Gone morph should be updated with new Daz-0 shapes.
The breast gone morph works fairly well with default G3F, but with the other shapes it is less good.
Awesome Zev0.
Well, not really. First, because many believe the figures to represent a pregnant female, and second because, for someone living in that time period, that would actually be an extremely healthy body, inasmuch as it's obviously well fed at a time when going hungry was common. Having those kind of bodily reserves made if far more likely for an individual to survive disease and times of privation. And third, keep in mind that at that time, a lot of the diseases that are caused by obesity were extemely uncommon for the simple reason that people usually didn't live long enough for them to become an issue.
Body fat was more necessary in time periods when there was not enough heat and you could starve in the winter.
I don't know if I can link the mult-breasted goddess of Ephesus ...
Even if, as it turns out, those aren't breasts.
She's wearing a garland of dozens of bull testes.
Ancients were hilarious. ;)
Alas, I suppose if someone wants winged phalluses like the ancient Romans liked to carve, that would have to be on Renderotica.
Point being it was the 'fashion'...regardless of whether or not it was a pregnant, healthy, wealthy female or not. It was the 'ideal'.
It doesn't matter if it was 'real'. Humanity has always done charactures of itself...and 20,000++ yrs of artefacts don't lie. Now it's tied to marketting...big hairy deal. It's not real.