There's Always Another Sale Thread -- Discussions Only Pt 4

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  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,820

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    TesseractSpace said:

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    barbult said:

    Torquinox said:

    SilverGirl said:

    The extra fancy presentations don't do it for me; my brain processes it as visual clutter I have to wade through. There have been several I noped out of perusing because I didn't have the bandwidth for it that day. Personally, I'd rather have fewer, simpler pages that present the info cleanly, function as advertised, and are accurate about their duration.

    I don't control any of that. All I know is, doing all this every day means doing a lot of design work that gets shown for a day and then disappears

    The time would be better spent making the sale page show the correct information and making the offers actually work.

    And making sure paid memberships end on time & not the day before. True story. 

    It would be great if things all worked off the same clock. I seem to recall something about memberships being based off UTC while the store is on Mountain Time 

     I am an hour ahead or Daz & 5 hours behind UDT (I think). And mine has always expired on the correct day, before now.

    ETA: I submitted a ticket & it is already fixed. I won't say anything other than I'm happy with the solution, since I know the Mods prefer we don't discuss details here.

     

    so why they blowing me off?  

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,945

    barbult said:

    Torquinox said:

    SilverGirl said:

    The extra fancy presentations don't do it for me; my brain processes it as visual clutter I have to wade through. There have been several I noped out of perusing because I didn't have the bandwidth for it that day. Personally, I'd rather have fewer, simpler pages that present the info cleanly, function as advertised, and are accurate about their duration.

    I don't control any of that. All I know is, doing all this every day means doing a lot of design work that gets shown for a day and then disappears

    The time would be better spent making the sale page show the correct information and making the offers actually work.

    Yeah, that was more my point. There's no use in it being fancy if it's not /functional/. I'm not here so I can evaluate/be impressed with the artistic skill of the web designers. I'm here to (hopefully) buy things.

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,290

    SilverGirl said:

    The time would be better spent making the sale page show the correct information and making the offers actually work.

    Yeah, that was more my point. There's no use in it being fancy if it's not /functional/. I'm not here so I can evaluate/be impressed with the artistic skill of the web designers. I'm here to (hopefully) buy things.

     I guess that's a critical difference. I don't care whether I buy things on any given day - I objectively have more than enough things to last me for years. It doesn't mean I don't sometimes want to or that I won't continue to buy things; but it's not critical. And I do evaluate and am frequently impressed by what the web designers are doing because they do so much of it all the time! I don't think the designers are responsible for making the sale code work. I could be wrong on that. Don't know for sure, doesn't seem likely.

    Also, I shop at the other stores. I find a mediocre sale here is usually as good or better than the best sales at the other stores. A great sale here is unmatched anywhere else. And yet, the other stores have their moments. When I want their items, I buy them. And I've bought a lot of their items, too.

     

  • maikdeckermaikdecker Posts: 3,037

    Torquinox said:

    Also, I shop at the other stores. I find a mediocre sale here is usually as good or better than the best sales at the other stores. A great sale here is unmatched anywhere else. And yet, the other stores have their moments. When I want their items, I buy them. And I've bought a lot of their items, too.

    Considering that most sales here nowadays call for a buy-in of something I don't need, want or can't use, a simple "get 65% off of a item, no strings attached, no hoops have to be jumped through" attracts me more than a "90% off when you buy something for 30% off, too", especially when the products offer as many options and most of the time have a higher base price, too wink

  • mmdestinymmdestiny Posts: 194
    edited April 29

    [delete, didn't see the items were also on the fast grab page]

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  • rokkrrokkr Posts: 342

    Torquinox said:

    I don't really understand PAs dumping old products. I buy a fair number of old products. I suppose there's the "This isn't up to my current standards" bit. Well, you didn't have current technology and resources back then, and old products usually perk up quite nicely with new shaders and/or textures. Plus, older products tend to be easier on system resources, render faster, etc. That's a plus, and they work quite well in backgrounds, etc. And if people still buy them once in a while, it's still good for a little extra $$. But I don't control that. So, it is what it is - An annoying fact of life.

    Me neither... It's a shame some products get vaulted... There's a lot of amazing old stuff (and not to be used only in the background).

    B.T.W., beware of this myth, they're easy on resources. You know V4 has more polys than any Genesis figure, right? I guess things weren't subd'ed back then, so they had to do everything with more polys. So, when you use old stuff, always check the polys. They're usually lighter in textures, but polys not so much.

     

     

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,945

    maikdecker said:

    Considering that most sales here nowadays call for a buy-in of something I don't need, want or can't use, a simple "get 65% off of a item, no strings attached, no hoops have to be jumped through" attracts me more than a "90% off when you buy something for 30% off, too", especially when the products offer as many options and most of the time have a higher base price, too wink

    Sadly, personal budget means I sit out both those types. 

    I'll be bummed when whatever's dropping the LD prices super low cycles out of the rotation, though. I've wound up making a bunch of mini purchases over the last week or so, all at 90%+ off. A few have been off my wishlist, but several have also been old pose sets that I wouldn't normally look twice at, but for 78-cents or similar... sure! I'm sure there's some part of that at some point that I'll get 78-cents worth of use out of.

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,257

    Oh boy, another catch-up sale. 

  • theflarftheflarf Posts: 197

    About to reach the final month of my Daz+ Membership, from before the price change/restructuring can't say anything has happened in the last 6 months or so to convince me to change my mind that continuing with the membership will be justified for the price.

    My spending this year has been waaaay down on previous years, which either is a result of the sales themselves not been inviting enough, or that being the middle tier member is a dud option.

    Basically now only spend on the LD when it seems to combine with another sale to get stuff into the 90%+ off 

    Onto todays offering, not sure why a catch up sale on things I decided not to buy would be considered excited

     

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,945

    barbult said:

    Oh boy, another catch-up sale. 

    Not so excited about the catch-up part, but a bunch of older stuff on my WL dropped in range due to factors I'm not going to bother figuring out. I'll likely build a smallish thing with some opportunistic stuff and then wait to pull the trigger until later in the day in case there's a good flash that comes up. (Or I hit the jackpot with a LD bundle for something I'd use...) 

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,779

    SilverGirl said:

    barbult said:

    Oh boy, another catch-up sale. 

    Not so excited about the catch-up part, but a bunch of older stuff on my WL dropped in range due to factors I'm not going to bother figuring out. I'll likely build a smallish thing with some opportunistic stuff and then wait to pull the trigger until later in the day in case there's a good flash that comes up. (Or I hit the jackpot with a LD bundle for something I'd use...) 

    The factor is usually simply the release date: products are "new" for 60 days, then they can take part of back catalog sales. The "recent", "classic" and "legacy" subcategories are also based on how old the product is.

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,945

    Leana said:

    SilverGirl said:

    barbult said:

    Oh boy, another catch-up sale. 

    Not so excited about the catch-up part, but a bunch of older stuff on my WL dropped in range due to factors I'm not going to bother figuring out. I'll likely build a smallish thing with some opportunistic stuff and then wait to pull the trigger until later in the day in case there's a good flash that comes up. (Or I hit the jackpot with a LD bundle for something I'd use...) 

    The factor is usually simply the release date: products are "new" for 60 days, then they can take part of back catalog sales. The "recent", "classic" and "legacy" subcategories are also based on how old the product is.

    Understood, but these are considerably older than anything that would qualify as "recent." They might've aged from classic -> legacy, but it's more likely the new artists added with the catch-up sale is the culprit, possibly with them stacking with offers from the other tiles. (No idea what's on the other tiles or how it stacks, currently -- cart jenga is going to take more focus and spoons than I've got at the moment.)

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,257

    SilverGirl said:

    barbult said:

    Oh boy, another catch-up sale. 

    Not so excited about the catch-up part, but a bunch of older stuff on my WL dropped in range due to factors I'm not going to bother figuring out. I'll likely build a smallish thing with some opportunistic stuff and then wait to pull the trigger until later in the day in case there's a good flash that comes up. (Or I hit the jackpot with a LD bundle for something I'd use...) 

    I guess maybe my sarcasm wasn't obvious. surprise

  • ElorElor Posts: 3,237
    edited April 30

    @SilverGirl > Today's sale include something like 29000 items from various PAs, with discount ranging from 60% to 85%.

    It's possible there is also stacking discounts in play but they are trying to avoid items being part of multiple sales when possible. Which doesn't mean that can't happen, I'm not sure even Daz is always understanding exactly how sales are interacting with each other, so on our end, it's not always easy to first figure what's happening, second figure it's something intended or not.

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  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,945

    barbult said:

    SilverGirl said:

    barbult said:

    Oh boy, another catch-up sale. 

    Not so excited about the catch-up part, but a bunch of older stuff on my WL dropped in range due to factors I'm not going to bother figuring out. I'll likely build a smallish thing with some opportunistic stuff and then wait to pull the trigger until later in the day in case there's a good flash that comes up. (Or I hit the jackpot with a LD bundle for something I'd use...) 

    I guess maybe my sarcasm wasn't obvious. surprise

    Heh, no, I caught it. And that was my reaction, too, until I saw the stuff on my WL dropped. 

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,945

    Elor said:

    @SilverGirl > Today's sale include something like 29000 items from various PAs, with discount ranging from 60% to 85%.

    It's possible there is also stacking discounts in play but they are trying to avoid items being part of multiple sales when possible. Which doesn't mean that can't happen, I'm not sure even Daz is always understanding exactly how sales are interacting with each other, so on our end, it's not always easy to first figure what's happening, second figure it's something intended or not.

    Yeah. I'm giving my WL a second go-through... tossing things in my cart that I might be otherwise on the fence about, but given the direction things are going, I no longer trust that the "always another sale" will be a /good/ sale when it happens. It's already been ages and ages since we had a D+ sale that dropped the older stuff on my list into the 70-cent (and below) range pre-discounts. I'd left it on my list then thinking it would be good filler to bring up a cart that was just slightly short at a later date, and now I'm regretting it.

    Might not wait to check out, just in case something IS functioning not-as-intended. Don't want all my effort going to waste again. 

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,145

    I bought a 50% off Wishlist item because our dollar rose slightly to 0.61USD indecision

    not a huge bargain but was an inexpensive texture addon I wanted

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,290
    edited April 30

    rokkr said:

    B.T.W., beware of this myth, they're easy on resources. You know V4 has more polys than any Genesis figure, right? I guess things weren't subd'ed back then, so they had to do everything with more polys. So, when you use old stuff, always check the polys. They're usually lighter in textures, but polys not so much.

     The V4 poly count thing is true, but not the whole story. Base V4 is a lot lighter than G8 with the level 5 subD used for some characters with extreme HD morphs. Also, there are more resolution options for V4. If you use the Advance Options at load time for V4/M4 and look in the mesh resolution tab, you can add 1k, 2k, 4k and 17k LOD meshes. You can also add SubD high resolution options. If you want to load these options later, you can also do that in Edit -> Geometry submenu. 1k looks pretty rough, 17k is not too bad. It's also possible to convert old V4 characters to a more recent generation.

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  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,820

    laughlaughlaughlaughlaughcool  OH LOOK, another catchup sale. 

  • TorquinoxTorquinox Posts: 4,290

    Apparently we need to catch up? It's not even a weekend. Even so, I see a few things I might drop in the cart.

  • davesodaveso Posts: 7,820

    well, I'm not getting much of a discount, even using my $10 PA coupon with 8 tokens. 72% off. the discount was 60% before adding in the tokens and $10 coupon. Its not worth it, although the coupon expires today. I still have tokens for 4 days. 

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,945

    Torquinox said:

    Apparently we need to catch up? It's not even a weekend.

    Last day of the month?

    Day ends in -y?

     

  • Torquinox said:

    Apparently we need to catch up? It's not even a weekend.

    Last day of the month?

    Day ends in -y?

     

    I'm going with Day Ends in Y. At this rate, we'll be having MM Flashbacks weekly until next February, when there will be a Pre MM Coundown Festival. With neither Daz nor us having any idea how many days are in the countdown.
  • Erm... is the LOYAL-CUSTOMERS voucher working for anyone? I've tried it a few times over the past couple of days but niente.  'Coupon code not Valid', or whatever the standard phrase is. Eyeroll.

  • LeanaLeana Posts: 12,779

    johnbuckeridge said:

    Erm... is the LOYAL-CUSTOMERS voucher working for anyone? I've tried it a few times over the past couple of days but niente.  'Coupon code not Valid', or whatever the standard phrase is. Eyeroll.

    Have you maybe used it already? It's been active for quite a while.

  • Leana said:

    johnbuckeridge said:

    Erm... is the LOYAL-CUSTOMERS voucher working for anyone? I've tried it a few times over the past couple of days but niente.  'Coupon code not Valid', or whatever the standard phrase is. Eyeroll.

    Have you maybe used it already? It's been active for quite a while.

    Ha, that's so something I would do - but not on this occasion, no.  :) 

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,488

    johnbuckeridge said:

    Leana said:

    johnbuckeridge said:

    Erm... is the LOYAL-CUSTOMERS voucher working for anyone? I've tried it a few times over the past couple of days but niente.  'Coupon code not Valid', or whatever the standard phrase is. Eyeroll.

    Have you maybe used it already? It's been active for quite a while.

    Ha, that's so something I would do - but not on this occasion, no.  :) 

    It's the coupon that was given out for the 25 years of DAZ celebration a few days ago. I thought too that i surely hadn't used it, but I did then, and just didn't think the coupon would stick around nevertheless. 

  • rokkrrokkr Posts: 342

    Torquinox said:

    rokkr said:

    B.T.W., beware of this myth, they're easy on resources. You know V4 has more polys than any Genesis figure, right? I guess things weren't subd'ed back then, so they had to do everything with more polys. So, when you use old stuff, always check the polys. They're usually lighter in textures, but polys not so much.

     The V4 poly count thing is true, but not the whole story. Base V4 is a lot lighter than G8 with the level 5 subD used for some characters with extreme HD morphs. Also, there are more resolution options for V4. If you use the Advance Options at load time for V4/M4 and look in the mesh resolution tab, you can add 1k, 2k, 4k and 17k LOD meshes. You can also add SubD high resolution options. If you want to load these options later, you can also do that in Edit -> Geometry submenu. 1k looks pretty rough, 17k is not too bad. It's also possible to convert old V4 characters to a more recent generation.

    Cool. Gonna check that. But, when you say it's lighter, are you talking about the meshes only? Like, and it's a serious question, how can a poly-rich mesh can be lighter than one with fewer polys? Is this with those lower LOD configs only or there's something I'm missing? You know, I bought those Lorenzo and Loretta, but I think I wasted my money because they have ~4k polys and look awful... Unless I'm using them far away, I think it's better to use one base resolution (no subd) G3/8 with lorez textures (or no texture at all, depending on the distance from the camera). It will be just 2x the polys... But if you gimme a reason to use Lorenzo and Loretta, I'll feel better for not having wasted my money...

     

     

     

     

  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 2,945

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    SilverGirl said:

    Torquinox said:

    Apparently we need to catch up? It's not even a weekend.

    Last day of the month?

    Day ends in -y?

     

    I'm going with Day Ends in Y. At this rate, we'll be having MM Flashbacks weekly until next February, when there will be a Pre MM Coundown Festival. With neither Daz nor us having any idea how many days are in the countdown.

    And it will be surprise extended at least twice. 

  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,488

    The 1 Dollar sale today is really nice though I think. There's a buy-in, but quite varied stuff to choose from, and I wanted to get one of the new hairs anyway. With 1 new and 1 still new that I both wanted, I got 6 really good items for 1 buck each. Thanks DAZ and PAs! And have a lovely May 1 everyone.

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