is there such a thing as too much content?

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  • TotteTotte Posts: 14,711

    178 pages, so Totte has at last over-taken me.

    Mission Completed!

  • GoggerGogger Posts: 2,493

    I have 83 pages from DAZ, and I don't even want to know how much from Rendo and RDNA.

    I rememeber, not all that long ago, when I was absolutely wigging out about spending $6 for a model here! I was self-judging, criticising, berating and then didn't do anything for quite a while. Then I cracked the lighting and render setting secrets on Poser and everything went all CRAZY as I began to actually LIKE the results of my renders!  "I need to build up a library of content" I kept telling myself as I spent and spent. And my library grew and grew. Then IRAY happened in DAZ and everything changed once again! Now I have two hungry monsters to feed and they are ALWAYS hungry!  I forget the things I've bought, but am always happy when I am working on a project and find that I have what I need on hand. And for all the (bad) things I don't do in life, I will allow myself this indulgence. I share my images with a fairly large group of people who seem to appreciate them so it's not even a selfish indulgence.

    There. All justified.

    My Name is Erik, and I am a renderholic.

  • TangoAlphaTangoAlpha Posts: 4,587

    A mere 36. Guess I'm not trying! sad

     

    (a lotto win would help, though! LOL)

  • A mere 36. Guess I'm not trying! sad

     

    (a lotto win would help, though! LOL)

    There's a feeling I know well...

  • IvyIvy Posts: 7,165
    MistyMist said:

    i think i might have over indulged a bit >.< :shut: :doh:


    77 pages of product library
    309 items in my rendo item list
    a few dozen from rdna, cp, rotka
    some stuff from sharecg


    good grief

    The real question is do you ever use it? , how about stuff you purchased a year ago?. how about 3 years ago...lol . If you answered no to any of those question you maybe a content hoarder. HA ha.

    Isn't new and shiny exciting even though we may use it once or twice and never use it again in 6 months. I know I am very guilty of content hoarding as well  3 external  hard drives 2 TB each of the stuff.blush
     

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,409
    Ivy said:
    MistyMist said:

    i think i might have over indulged a bit >.< :shut: :doh:


    77 pages of product library
    309 items in my rendo item list
    a few dozen from rdna, cp, rotka
    some stuff from sharecg


    good grief

    The real question is do you ever use it? , how about stuff you purchased a year ago?. how about 3 years ago...lol . If you answered no to any of those question you maybe a content hoarder. HA ha.

    Isn't new and shiny exciting even though we may use it once or twice and never use it again in 6 months. I know I am very guilty of content hoarding as well  3 external  hard drives 2 TB each of the stuff.blush
     

    Not a content hoarder - just OCD and a completist. cheeky

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    edited September 2015

    26 pages here a maybe one or two rendo, so not many. Mainly this year though. I'm a late developer /nod.

    Novica said:

     

    Richard Haseltine said:

    For the record I have 160 pages of stuff.

     

    It's addictive, isn't it? :)
    Makes it REALLY hard when shopping because they don't have a "purchased" button on the gallery page. But I don't think I would trust that to be correct during a really good sale anyway. I'd have a niggling feeling I was losing out if I didn't click on the product and check. BUT..
    is there anything in the works to get something like that? It's a real pain to have to click on each product to see if it's been purchased.


    I like seeing stuff I own; it reminds me to actually try using it... Who'd have thought it, actually use what I buy?

    namffuak said:

    Ivy said:
    MistyMist said:

    i think i might have over indulged a bit >.< :shut: :doh:


    77 pages of product library
    309 items in my rendo item list
    a few dozen from rdna, cp, rotka
    some stuff from sharecg


    good grief

    The real question is do you ever use it? , how about stuff you purchased a year ago?. how about 3 years ago...lol . If you answered no to any of those question you maybe a content hoarder. HA ha.

    Isn't new and shiny exciting even though we may use it once or twice and never use it again in 6 months. I know I am very guilty of content hoarding as well  3 external  hard drives 2 TB each of the stuff.blush
     

    Not a content hoarder - just OCD and a completist. cheeky

     Don't think it is yet classed - officially - as an addiction, but it relates to others. Collecting stuff is a hobby not an addiction though (That makes me feel better... blush). And I do try and use what I collect, I just rarely like what I've produced enough to share it. It becomes acquainted with the delete key.

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  • @ Richard Haseltine;  do you have a way to see exactly how many actual pages of content exist in the DAZ store?   I realize a few items we actually have may have been deleted or relocated (bundles).  But generally, all items a person might actually get that do show up in the Product Library.   Oh, on a given day, as that list of content grows constantly! 

  • @ ALL COMPLETISTS:  You will *NEVER* find fullfillment!  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!    angry   laugh   cheeky

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,924

    You know you have a lot of content when you do store searches to see if anything similar comes up, and you check to see if you have it. Today for example, I compared conference rooms. 

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,859

    ....yeah I did the same with Josies.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,259

     

    Ivy said:

    The real question is do you ever use it? , how about stuff you purchased a year ago?. how about 3 years ago...lol . If you answered no to any of those question you maybe a content hoarder. HA ha.

    There'll be a point where you've got so much that you simply don't have the time to use it all, ever, even if you was rendering 24/7/365 for the rest of your life. I think I've moved beyond that point long ago.

    But it's nice to have a large variety of stuff to choose from, especially in a professional context, where you never know what requests you might get. 

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,259
    McG. said:

    @ Richard Haseltine;  do you have a way to see exactly how many actual pages of content exist in the DAZ store?   I realize a few items we actually have may have been deleted or relocated (bundles).  But generally, all items a person might actually get that do show up in the Product Library.   Oh, on a given day, as that list of content grows constantly! 

    If you mean the number of currently available products you can see it on the main store page, top left. 

  • There are never enough bikinis...

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,259
    Superdog said:

    There are never enough bikinis...

    That explains all those nudist camps...

  • Superdog said:

    There are never enough bikinis...

    HongYu?  Is that YOU?!  ;o)

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,689
    Taozen said:
    Superdog said:

    There are never enough bikinis...

    That explains all those nudist temples...

    Fixed that for you

  • McGrandpaMcGrandpa Posts: 464
    edited September 2015
    Taozen said:
    McG. said:

    @ Richard Haseltine;  do you have a way to see exactly how many actual pages of content exist in the DAZ store?   I realize a few items we actually have may have been deleted or relocated (bundles).  But generally, all items a person might actually get that do show up in the Product Library.   Oh, on a given day, as that list of content grows constantly! 

    If you mean the number of currently available products you can see it on the main store page, top left. 

     

    Sooo we just divide that number by 50 for the number of Product Library pages that would be . . . . 348.12 pages!   (gets out the ol muleskinner, cracks dat whip o'er the backs of the beasties moving this coach around)  H'yaaahhhh!  G'yapp!  Yer slackin ye buckos!  :oD  ( me just got no money! )

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,859

    ...yeah I'm on the poor side of town, only 52.1 pages.

    Need those Megabucks numbers to come through for me, SSI ain't gonna' cut it unless Daz starts giving out Senior discounts.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,259
    Taozen said:
    Superdog said:

    There are never enough bikinis...

    That explains all those nudist temples...

    Fixed that for you

    Hm, had to look that up. First hit on bing or google "Judaic Christian Church Nudist Temple" leads to a weird Vimeo 3D animation which it probably is against the forum TOS to link to...

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,259
    McG. said:
    Superdog said:

    There are never enough bikinis...

    HongYu?  Is that YOU?!  ;o)

    laugh

  • ScavengerScavenger Posts: 2,674

     

    nobody1954 said:

    I feel so.........inadequate.

     

    So do I

    if I spent the money I spent on virtual shoes on real shoes I would have more shoes for myself. True virtual shoes are cheaper than real shoes, but why is it that my virtual girls have more shoes and clothes than me?

     

    Don't think about it...that way leads to depression that your characters live in much fancier and nicer places than you do. :/

  • For most of us, this is a hobby.  It definitely is for me, and kind of replaced a different and far more expensive hobby.  I *USED* to love "Go FAST!".  Whether its a boat, car, motorcycle, go kart, and even airplanes.  I didn't get too far down that road due to money issues.  Then along came kids.  All money got re-directed to the most important things in my life.  My kids.  :)  A bit later, I picked up on electronics, then digital circuits, then games, then Art stuff, and then the 3D/2D stuff.  I have been pretty happy with this "Digital Imaging" hobby now for some 20 odd years.  I do not regret going this way at all.  Even through any difficulties and frustrations I encountered along the way, I have thoroughly enjoyed my self in my hobby.  smiley

    So IF there is such a thing as Too Much Content, then I guess we haven't found that place yet!

     

  • Yes so true, I used to send healthy plants I took home from nursery to heaven and devalue my house with home improvements, both very expensive past times, latter often requiring a tradesman to fix my mess.

    I also drank alcohol, went out and socialised, also expensive past times, while I spend in my opinion a lot on 3D, it keeps me off the street and out of harms way and is nowhere near as much as I used to spend on other pursuits, in fact I even now manage to save up and splurge on stuff like 3D printers, iPad, cameras, new mobo,graphics card etc as well as  a nice big TV and yesterday outdoor furniture I may tear myself away from computer to sit on.

    and zero debt.

    used to live on the edge before 3D one pay to the next, I actually credit it with saving me from overspending.

  • McGrandpaMcGrandpa Posts: 464
    edited September 2015

    Yeah!  So real that this redirection of energies gives us savings in the Life we live in.  I too got away from spending debt entirely.  I own everything I have, and that is pleasing to me.  I may not have everything I want just yet.  But I do have more than I need.   Oh plants, I love plants.  But I am the guy with the Greasy Thumb and the poor things die pretty quick when I get them.  I let others manage the flora, and I just enjoy it.  :)  It is a real odd thing to me that NO one in my entire family enjoys this 3D stuff.  My kids are fascinated by some things they see, but don't want to try it themselves.  All of them do use some version of Photoshop.  That's it.  So, its up to me carry this new family tradition so SOME family member, even one of the grandkids when they're old enough. 

    Does sitting outside now make you feel like you're wasting time?  When you could be inside, at the computer(s), wrangling your content?  Heh heh!  I sure do.  

    Aw MAN!   I just bought three more items here.  Gotta go 'wrangle' it some!   surprise

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    Does sitting outside now make you feel like you're wasting time? 

     

    :BUG:   it really does 

  • EtriganEtrigan Posts: 603

    I sit at a mere 48 pages in the Product Library. Double that for the "other" vendors and I join Kyoto Kid on the lower end of OCD (Obsessive Collector Disorder). I rationalize even that with the memory of vast sums spent on model railroading. Gave that up for space reasons more than cost. After switching to digitally creating worlds, I can now afford to drink, if I wish. 

    Novica, you collect conference rooms too? cheeky Yeah, that and classrooms, can never have enough classroom space.

  • MistyMist said:

    Does sitting outside now make you feel like you're wasting time? 

     

    :BUG:   it really does 

    Yeah, hey I *enjoyI* wasting a little time now and then these days!   laugh

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,924
    Etrigan said:

    I sit at a mere 48 pages in the Product Library. Double that for the "other" vendors and I join Kyoto Kid on the lower end of OCD (Obsessive Collector Disorder). I rationalize even that with the memory of vast sums spent on model railroading. Gave that up for space reasons more than cost. After switching to digitally creating worlds, I can now afford to drink, if I wish. 

    Novica, you collect conference rooms too? cheeky Yeah, that and classrooms, can never have enough classroom space.

    LOL, I am apparently on the high end of the OCD thanks to conference rooms and yes, classrooms. Great minds think alike. 

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    edited September 2015

    I'm sorta waiting for someone to say "I used to be addicted to crack cocaine, but then I found content collecting... this is way better and slightly cheaper"...

    Is it a sign that the 80s are sooo over, or that an iPad is too vanilla, that it's autocorrect does not know the word cocaine?

    The real topic

    Anyway, none of that is what I'm here today to speak or write about... Actually both, since I talk while I'm writing and sometimes I even snicker and I do curse a lot too. I want to talk about a very import and often neglected subject... (If you have any sad or bittersweet background music, please turn it on now... Preferably something with violin... Nothing with bongos)...

    A looming crisis 

    I think there is another facet to the question "Is there such a thing as too much content?"... That was the question...? Right?... Well whatever, that's what I'm going with... for all I know, I might not even be in the right thread... But anyway... I think when we ask ourselves this question, we should do so, not thinking of whether we are hoarding content, spending too much or depleting the ozone layer, we should think of content collection in human terms...

    What do I mean by "in human terms"?  I'm not really sure because quite frankly I keep getting interrupted and I put down the iPad and do other things and a while later when I find the iPad sitting on my bandsaw or in the freezer, I start writing again... But if I were to guess, and this is only a guess, I'd say it's not just about the digital assets, not about the company selling it or the rats that live in the basement where it's located... It's about the people who make the content... The people you call PAs... Published Artists... That's what it stands for... Right?  Psychic Ardvarks is the only other thing I'm coming up with and I'm pretty sure that's a different cause...

    Content creation employs hundreds or dozens or thousands (I never actually counted) of hardworking and dedicated Contentors* toiling away in deep dark content mines, day and night.  They struggle through their difficult and thankless job with nothing in mind but making the content collectors happy. Day in and day out, they rise from bed, barely rested and kiss their disheveled families or illegitimate pets goodbye, they leave their tiny shacks on the edge of the great content mines and ride rickety old mine elevators deep below the earth's crust... they strap themselves in behind huge old radioactive CRT monitors, drink vast quantities of alcohol and slave away to bring high quality content to the sweaty little hands of the masses... And for peanuts.

    Literally... Did you know that's all they get? They trade the peanuts in for beans and those they trade in for shells and colorful glass beads, then they trade those in for cash and that for food and booze... It's a really terribly inefficient system, but that's what has been the method for thousands of years or dozens... I really have to start actually researching this stuff and not just going with my gut, but these poor creatures rely on you (definitely not me) to help them feed their hordes of illegitimate children and shabby stray pets. If it weren't for content mining, they would have nothing... They would have to sell their organs on the black market... And after what, three or four kidneys they'd have nothing left to sell but one of their hearts (I'm really bad with human anatomy)... Even when there is a bountiful content harvest, they still are not safe... do you have any idea what the average lifespan of a Contentor is?  Neither do I, but I'm gonna guess it's something terribly short and unjust... Months... A few years? A few years sounds more believable... but only a few years before they succumb to Content Lung Disease, Polygonosis, a cave in of discarded booze bottles or are torn to shreds by some terror of the deep, usually a Balrog or something Cthulhuish. The statistics are startling... The favorite names you know are a stark reminder of the risks... Did you know that the original Predatron was torn apart by a Balrog three years ago? If it were not for DAZ's pioneering work in cloning and putting human brains in cheap robots, you wouldn't have any new content from him... Or her... I think him... The robot is really scary looking so it's hard to tell... But I digress, the list goes on... Sarsa: two were vaporized in CRT meltdowns...  RawArt: horribly maimed in a DIM explosion... Bobbie25: we are actual on the twenty eighth version and the copy of a copy cloning thing is taking its toll... IronMouse: I just made her up, but that would be a cool name, hu?...  blondie9999: too tragic to explain, but I drew a picture... It was in crayon and on the back of one of those fast food tray liners... It's pretty terrible, but I could email it to anyone who wants to see it... I was also a little drunk when I drew it... actually, pretty drunk... The list goes on and on... Most of your favorite Contentors are maimed, clones or battered brains stuffed into cheap pastel colored robot bodies... But they continue on... if not for the love their families, for their pets.   If you could see how they struggle to bring you your content, how they suffer...  you would cry... Some of you would laugh (there is quite a bit of tragic comedy in this line of work), but most of you would cry.   Sure it's easy to worry if you have "too much" content, but the poor contentors have to worry about not having enough "food" or "booze"...  Normally if this were one of my other crazy causes, like orphans or mountain gorillas sold into the sex trade, I'd implore you to adopt one like some poor orphaned orangutan who's mother was crushed by a bulldozer plowing under the rainforest... I'd ask you to donate just $ 39.99 a month to "Save the Contentors"... Which is just pennies a day or less than the price of a cup of really expensive civet cat coffee in a gold travel mug... I'm really bad at math too, so you should probably use a calculator and figure it out for yourself... But despite that and how much money I could make by funneling most of the proceeds to an offshore account in the Cayman Islands, today I will just be honest... Nobody actually cares about these wretched creatures, and nobody wants to adopt one... God forbid they show up on your doorstep one day to thank you and possibly move in... Granted for a short while they would be a great conversation piece, but after a while the sitcom novelty of the whole affair would wear off and you'd be stuck with a shabby plastic robot with an alcohol problem... What would the neighbors say? I mean who cares about what they think, but still... It's not a good example to your pets or kids or houseplants.

    What can I do to help?

    What everyone needs to do is stop asking questions, stay calm and carry on buying stuff that tickles their fancy like there is no tomorrow.  If not for your own OCD collecting disorder... For the Contentors pets and possibly families.

    Okay, you can turn off the sad music now... I think I made my point. I propose a new slogan... I was looking at my foot and I was thinking of how cheap my sneakers are and wondering if Nike sneakers would get less beetles in them and I remembered Nike's slogan "Just do it", which initially I found offensive because the first time I read it, the ad had a guy running next to a horse and I though that implied some sort of improper relationship with horses and or farm animals, but later it just turned out to mean "just run around and jump over stuff like parked cars and small dogs peeing on fire hydrants"... That what I got from later ads... But anyway... The new slogan (in support of Contentors... And nothing else) should be... Damn it I forgot...

    Oh yeah... "Just buy it".   You like? No?... Who cares... I spent a lot of time removing beetles from my sneaker and thinking about that.

    Anyway... That's all. Think about it and support your favorite Contentors.

    Peace y'all.

     

     

     

     

    *Contentor: Also known as "Published Artist" in common speech. A type of content miner who actually creates refined digital content from raw polygon ore and bat guano, using complicated and dangerously radioactive graphic art machines and black magic. The term originated as far back as earlier today when I made it up.

     

     

    This statement and none of is contents reflects the opinion of DAZ3D, or daz3d or its parent company Weird Rainbow Octopus-hair-chic MegaCorp Industries International in any way part or form and is all this is strictly part of your imagination.

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