Victoria 7

larsmidnatt · June 2015

timmins.william said:
I mean, as it is I have to drop back to G1 to use things like four arms, cyclops, and so on.

G1 is still the best for monsters for me. And it had HITOMI, the bestest most Anime girl eva! (for genesis brand figures)

Oso3D · June 2015

Yeah... I got CC for Genesis 2, then noticed how cool some of the G1 stuff is (like three finger hands).

I don't regret getting both, because there are some things G1 creatures can do that G2 can't and vice versa.

Once I found uv setter2, that sewed up a lot of skin options.

One thing I'm thankful for -- since I'm moving to a less photorealistic style, I won't feel left in the dust by G3 so much. (Otherwise it might have depressed me enough to go on another long CGI hiatus)

Besides the skin, the thing that I found annoying G1>G2 was finding cool G2 outfits that I couldn't fit to G1. Given the comments about how G3 is rigged differently, I assume it would be very true G3 to G2 clothing.

Another thought... If G3 uses industry standard stuff, does that mean any further generations are more likely to be compatible with G3 on?

Kattey · June 2015

larsmidnatt said:
Kattey said:
Considering that generations are sped up, Iterative 3D figures are becoming increasingly expensive to work with as same or more money has to be spent in lesser amount of time to bring capabilities of new figures to appropriate level, meaning that annually full adopters will have to spend more and more.

After G2F was released so quickly I knew this was the new future though. So I stopped spending pretty early in G2F life and it's worked out fine.

Same here. Currently I'm holding on for G4 to see if there will be any improvement, but as I finally dropped from PC in February, I don't feel even a slightest pressure to spend money on G2 or G3 and it works really well. Makes me actually work with what I have, instead of tossing money on newest thing and hoping it will somehow makes picture better.

Bobvan · June 2015

Lux render with g2F outfit & v4 hair

dbdigital2 · June 2015

I couldn't believe when I logged in today to find Genesis 3 is out.... Personally I won't be bothering until conversion (clones and converters) is easy from previous content. I have spent a mint on conversion and other tools to get the most bang for my buck on clothes and other content that wasn't available in G2. Until such conversion is again possible I won't be bothering with V7/G3. But then again that will be a big expense to get those clones/compatibility tools. Not to mention all the extra HD space for the runtime *sighs*

I may just get my content at other sites where they still support older figures, when I need something that isn't being made for V4/G2/G2 here. That is if nothing more comes out for G2 which is very likely based on previous trends....

The only thing that might be good about this release (in my opinion at the moment)...G2 content will likely have huge sales in the near future. ;)

@Tim_A While I suspect Daz will update Carrara to work with G3, it will be a pay update (most likely anyway). And personally I won't pay $80+ just to use G3 with Carrara. There are so many other better updates they could do. Autofit doesn't work as it should, or at least it is no where near as good as Studio.

marble · June 2015

DAZ_Spooky said:

Iray being slow using CPU only as compared to using a GPU as part of your render. Comparing Iray CPU only to 3Delight, on average, with equivalent scenes, it is about the same speed. There are circumstances where one is faster than the other, in some cases significantly faster, but on average.

I would love to see some proof of this because I have seen it stated several times but, in my experience it is far from true. I tested just a couple of days ago - same scene, people, clothes, room, furniture - 3Delight was 6 minutes, IRay 63 minutes. I followed tips from threads on this forum: manually changed everything to IRay materials, used the correct lights, etc.

That scene was typical of any of mine. Typical of many I see here too. On my system - an i7 iMac with 24GB memory - Iray in CPU mode is slow - about as slow as Reality/Luxrender was for Reality version 2.

Anyhow, back to your discussion about the mysterious merits of spending oodles of hard earned cash on a virtual woman.

Stryder87 · June 2015

I got up this morning, checked my email and saw one from Daz introducing Victoria 7 (G3F). My thoughts?

Wow.... wow... I didn't see this coming. Ugh. :shut: I've only been working with Daz since Oct 2014 (mostly G2F/G2M items) and I've been a maniac with my purchases (far too much to admit to without extreme embarressment... the credit card pain will be with me for quite some time), and it actually made me want to cry. To start over with content for a new generation just kills me. I seriously hope the G2 stuff ports over well, but the part about 'more articulation points' really concerns me about compatibility without vendors updating past product (which I really can't see happening). :long:

I have been holding off on doing the new Daz update to the iRay version out of concern of it breaking my current setup of custom install folders and it screwing up my currently in-progress work. So that gives me another reason to hold off for a while, but I seriously can't spend that kind of money again. I guess I'll just put it on my Wish List and wait until one of those 80% off sales happens... I'm pretty much at that stage now anyway.

I'll admit she does look good, especially Sedor's render in this thread (seriously good stuff) and I look forward to getting her at some time, but didn't G2 just come out barely a year ago?

Wow... this actually hurts... :shut:

Rogerbee · June 2015

opal42987 said:
You get a new phone every year so 2 years between figure generations is something of a record. You can’t stand still long in this game now. It’s the times we’re in and we just have to wear it.
I do not own and do not like mobile phones of any kind, and even if I did, I most certainly would not get a new model more frequently than once every 4 or 5 years (okay, realistically I would be buying a new one every few months due to losing my old one on the street/store, dropping it in the toilet, leaving it outside in sub-freezing weather, or stepping on it after it falls out of my pocket. This is why I gave up on wearing a watch or jewelry in my mid teens) Hell, I only get a new desktop when my old one dies out or is not worth the reformat-- which typically means once every 5-7 years.
3Delight renders great for my needs, so I’m turning down Iray too.
Same here. I have 3Delight, Luxus, and Blendbot. Three render engines is hard enough to keep track of. Besides, someone else made a good point-- I don't know if my comp could handle the Iray-- this is a 2010 model.

Things will settle down soon(ish). Nobody has to drop everything and buy the whole kit and kaboodle this second. You wait, in a few months everyone will be raving about her. We had all this hoo ha when G2 came out.
You must have a ton of cash to blow on recreation every month to take this thing so positively. The problem is that DAZ and everyone else will be dropping everything to exclusively support Gen3, leaving Gen2 lovers behind.

I don't, but, I can wait, not everything has to be done yesterday. Daz and 'everyone else' won't drop G2 overnight and not everybody will own every G2 product ever and there will be sales and special offers to take advantage of. Everyone just needs to quit panicking and chill, things will work out.

CHEERS!

Slosh · June 2015

timmins.william said:
Slosh, except past experience shows that once there's a new thing, support drops off.
And what is annoying is that, since less stuff is compatible across G3 and other generations, folks who are interested in more unusual stuff will feel the pinch more. I mean, as it is I have to drop back to G1 to use things like four arms, cyclops, and so on.

It's not just 'use it if you feel like it,' it's 'hey, prepare to be shut out unless you have the scratch or your interests are very mainstream.'

You can certainly feel that the advantages are worth it, but the complaints aren't irrational.

No, definitely not irrational. Everyone has concerns, and while they may not be shared by everyone, they are still real to the person who has the concerns.

As for your first paragraph, what is the problem dropping back to G1 to use four arms, etc? Those morphs were made for Genesis and seemed perfectly acceptable then, I think, use G1 for G1 stuff, use G2 for what it offers, and use G3 for the new stuff. Some compatibility let's your content stretch across multiple figures, but I don't see a reason that "everything" needs to be used "everywhere." I have spent as much, or maybe more, than the average DAZ or Poser user, mostly because I need things to use in my promos and for testing the products I make, but also because I really like the stuff that comes out. So, I use the stuff I bought and none of it is obsolete. If I can't use those shoes on this figure, I just don't use those shoes, or I use a figure that they do work on.

I certainly don't want anyone to think I am unsympathetic to what you are all saying. That is not the case. I just think that it might be really exaggerated at how awful it is to have a new figure. Like someone else said earlier, buy things a bit at a time. Add to your library, don't replace it. That's just crazy talk :P

nDelphi · June 2015

marble said:
DAZ_Spooky said:

Iray being slow using CPU only as compared to using a GPU as part of your render. Comparing Iray CPU only to 3Delight, on average, with equivalent scenes, it is about the same speed. There are circumstances where one is faster than the other, in some cases significantly faster, but on average.

I would love to see some proof of this because I have seen it stated several times but, in my experience it is far from true. I tested just a couple of days ago - same scene, people, clothes, room, furniture - 3Delight was 6 minutes, IRay 63 minutes.....

iRay needs to be setup to take full advantage of it. The minimum settings are not sufficient for me, for example. So, yes, it will take longer than 3Delight in CPU only mode.

larsmidnatt · June 2015

timmins.william said:

One thing I'm thankful for -- since I'm moving to a less photorealistic style, I won't feel left in the dust by G3 so much.
Same here, so all that realism stuff isn't a biggie for me. Only thing is I wouldn't mind having better expressions, I could always use better expression controls but G2F is still better than Genesis in that regard.

does that mean any further generations are more likely to be compatible with G3 on?

No. For a lot of reasons.

Rogerbee · June 2015

dbdigital2 said:
I couldn't believe when I logged in today to find Genesis 3 is out.... Personally I won't be bothering until conversion (clones and converters) is easy from previous content. I have spent a mint on conversion and other tools to get the most bang for my buck on clothes and other content that wasn't available in G2. Until such conversion is again possible I won't be bothering with V7/G3. But then again that will be a big expense to get those clones/compatibility tools. Not to mention all the extra HD space for the runtime *sighs*
I may just get my content at other sites where they still support older figures, when I need something that isn't being made for V4/G2/G2 here. That is if nothing more comes out for G2 which is very likely based on previous trends....

The only thing that might be good about this release (in my opinion at the moment...G2 content will likely have huge sales in the near future. ;)

@Tim_A While I suspect Daz will update Carrara to work with G3, it will be a pay update (most likely anyway). And personally I won't bay $80+ just to use G3. There are so many other better updates they could do. Autofit doesn't work as it should, or at least it is no where near as good as Studio.

Now that's a good attitude. Nobody needs to do anything RIGHT NOW if they don't want to. It's not like Daz have said "G2 WILL END AT MIDNIGHT, ADOPT G3 NOW OR DIE!!".

CHEERS!

Rogerbee · June 2015

Slosh said:
timmins.william said:
Slosh, except past experience shows that once there's a new thing, support drops off.
And what is annoying is that, since less stuff is compatible across G3 and other generations, folks who are interested in more unusual stuff will feel the pinch more. I mean, as it is I have to drop back to G1 to use things like four arms, cyclops, and so on.

It's not just 'use it if you feel like it,' it's 'hey, prepare to be shut out unless you have the scratch or your interests are very mainstream.'

You can certainly feel that the advantages are worth it, but the complaints aren't irrational.

No, definitely not irrational. Everyone has concerns, and while they may not be shared by everyone, they are still real to the person who has the concerns.

As for your first paragraph, what is the problem dropping back to G1 to use four arms, etc? Those morphs were made for Genesis and seemed perfectly acceptable then, I think, use G1 for G1 stuff, use G2 for what it offers, and use G3 for the new stuff. Some compatibility let's your content stretch across multiple figures, but I don't see a reason that "everything" needs to be used "everywhere." I have spent as much, or maybe more, than the average DAZ or Poser user, mostly because I need things to use in my promos and for testing the products I make, but also because I really like the stuff that comes out. So, I use the stuff I bought and none of it is obsolete. If I can't use those shoes on this figure, I just don't use those shoes, or I use a figure that they do work on.

I certainly don't want anyone to think I am unsympathetic to what you are all saying. That is not the case. I just think that it might be really exaggerated at how awful it is to have a new figure. Like someone else said earlier, buy things a bit at a time. Add to your library, don't replace it. That's just crazy talk :P

Welcome to the party Slosh!

Are you bracing yourself for the demands that you make G2 UV's work on G3!? Personally, due to the way that the G3 textures are organised, I don't think it'll be possible. However, what with the way that G3 textures look, why would you want to go back to a G2 one!?
As you said, if you want to use G2, then use G2. It would take me the rest of the year to buy all of the G2 content out there and I'm by no means done with it.

Eventually I will get V7, but not yet....

CHEERS!

Kaleb242 · June 2015

Slosh said:
I was going to wait to post this link in a "Coming Soon" thread, which shows how I used Victoria 7 in some promos for upcoming products of mine, but I see people want to see her in action using Iray to render... These two images (with more to come) are NSFW. I made the dA Gallery because of DAZ restrictions on nudity in promos and the forum. The product is the lingerie, which is sheer on top and bottom, but the renders also feature a hair shader I have in testing.
I hope this helps some people who are on the fence. And I already know that not everyone is going to think these renders are amazing, but I am quite happy with them and I really enjoy using Genesis 3, Victoria 7, and Iray. I'm all about moving forward, but also about keeping people happy. So, aside from this lingerie and maybe some future projects, I will try to keep things compatible across at least two generations of DAZ figures.

Warning: NSFW and you must have content filters turned off in deviantArt to view these: L'Envie Lingerie Gallery

Thanks Slosh!

I'm going all in with Genesis 3, and happy vendors will be continuing to support Genesis 2 and V4 characters that support Poser.

Rogerbee · June 2015

Kaleb242 said:
Slosh said:
I was going to wait to post this link in a "Coming Soon" thread, which shows how I used Victoria 7 in some promos for upcoming products of mine, but I see people want to see her in action using Iray to render... These two images (with more to come) are NSFW. I made the dA Gallery because of DAZ restrictions on nudity in promos and the forum. The product is the lingerie, which is sheer on top and bottom, but the renders also feature a hair shader I have in testing.
I hope this helps some people who are on the fence. And I already know that not everyone is going to think these renders are amazing, but I am quite happy with them and I really enjoy using Genesis 3, Victoria 7, and Iray. I'm all about moving forward, but also about keeping people happy. So, aside from this lingerie and maybe some future projects, I will try to keep things compatible across at least two generations of DAZ figures.

Warning: NSFW and you must have content filters turned off in deviantArt to view these: L'Envie Lingerie Gallery

Thanks Slosh!

I'm going all in with Genesis 3, and happy vendors will be continuing to support Genesis 2 and V4 characters that support Poser.

Missed that reply, great renders. V7 does look really nice. She needs a new 3Delight shader to really bring her out for those that don't use Iray, I'm sure someone will do one at some point.

CHEERS!

wiz · June 2015

marble said:
belovedalia said:

what's holding ya back from using the optitex clothes? I use them on everyone, from genesis to genesis 3 to Star, cookie, and chip at RDNA.... even if it doesn't fit just scale it roughly to fit, then do animated drape to fit it.

OT, I know but ... is there a tutorial on how to do that? Do V4 Optitex clothes fit G2F? When I try, I end up with a crumpled mess around her ankles.

Also, they may well drape nicely but they are hard to pose. I can always take a conforming item into Blender and make my own morph but have no idea how to do that with Dynamic Clothes.
Sorry if someone else answered this already (I', still like 10 pages from the end of the thread).

Resizing the figure means resizing all accessories, hair, furniture, other figures, etc. You really don't want to do that.

There is a way to resize the dymanic clothing. Thanks to SimonWM fo this tutorial

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/40199/

Harry_2964 · June 2015

I don't see the great improvement on Victoria 7 to Victoria 6. The figure doesn't look like (much) more realstic than before.

Also I wish you would add GPU rendering support for AMD cards. I have a Radeon 290 which is pretty fast but I still render with the CPU.
HD Charakters take forever to render.

SnowSultan · June 2015

heels can be individually rotated, bent, and twisted, a worthy upgrade.
10/10 would download again

;)

Hopefully it won't take another year to get muscle morphs. Oh and Powerpose is useless again. :P

marble · June 2015

wiz said:
marble said:
belovedalia said:

what's holding ya back from using the optitex clothes? I use them on everyone, from genesis to genesis 3 to Star, cookie, and chip at RDNA.... even if it doesn't fit just scale it roughly to fit, then do animated drape to fit it.

OT, I know but ... is there a tutorial on how to do that? Do V4 Optitex clothes fit G2F? When I try, I end up with a crumpled mess around her ankles.

Also, they may well drape nicely but they are hard to pose. I can always take a conforming item into Blender and make my own morph but have no idea how to do that with Dynamic Clothes.

Sorry if someone else answered this already (I', still like 10 pages from the end of the thread).

Resizing the figure means resizing all accessories, hair, furniture, other figures, etc. You really don't want to do that.

There is a way to resize the dymanic clothing. Thanks to SimonWM fo this tutorial

http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/40199/

And thanks for the reminder. I had seen that thread before and made a mental note to read it. Then promptly forgot. Old age, y'know. :)

Renpatsu · June 2015

Well, not really surprised to see G3F and the advantages are quite clear to me. The bends look quite nice so far and the cross platform compatibility is a huge advantage. Similar like G2F, even the base G3F is very pretty out of the box, which is more than can be said about some other figures I've seen.

I am still hoping for some support to get V4/Genesis/G2F textures over to G3F, but we'll see what the PAs come up with. Looking forward to a GenX3 upgrade as well, which will likely come *looks intensely at Dimension3D*

Soooo I will be shopping at DAZ for some G3F and V7 goodies :) Now sell me some generic dynamic clothing and dynamic hair plugins on top and I will be a very, very happy person :)

Richard Haseltine · June 2015

stryder87 said:
I have been holding off on doing the new Daz update to the iRay version out of concern of it breaking my current setup of custom install folders and it screwing up my currently in-progress work. So that gives me another reason to hold off for a while, but I seriously can't spend that kind of money again. I guess I'll just put it on my Wish List and wait until one of those 80% off sales happens... I'm pretty much at that stage now anyway.

Installing 4.8 won't touch your content, except for the updated Genesis ... Starter Essentials. I would advise going to the Content Library pane, opening the option menu (lined button in top corner, or right-click the tab), selecting Content DB Maintenance, checking Export User Data and clicking Accept. I'd advise doing that anyway with a custom set up, but in this case it will get you out of trouble if there's a CMS issue. Installing the new Genesis 3 Starter Essentials will not affect the existing content, just add new files.

Hera · June 2015

Now what the??? When I finally go around to put her in the cart, the prise jumps up :-(
Take her out the cart, she's back at 22.03, put her in the cart again, price jumps to 31. Not funny, DAZ :-(

RCTSpanky · June 2015

Close your browser and try it again. I had the smae problem a few hours ago.

ben98120000 · June 2015

We can actually use G3F facial/head bones to make head shapes. So, thats 1 improvement :D (click with right mouse button on the scene tab and in menu activate Show - Show Hidden Nodes to see facial nodes).

RCTSpanky · June 2015

Didn't have buy Victoria 7, but have installed the Genesis 3 Female Base character, which one can do really nothing with. Just a morph for the nipples and one for the chest, that's all in the upper body section. How can I e.g. create my own characters with larger breasts out of this base character?

mork · June 2015

Herakleia said:
Now what the??? When I finally go around to put her in the cart, the prise jumps up :-(
Take her out the cart, she's back at 22.03, put her in the cart again, price jumps to 31. Not funny, DAZ :-(

I had that on my first order as well and it really made me struggle with the purchase. Displaying wrong values is something you definitely don't want to have on a shop! They billed the correct amount though, otherwise I would have complained.
So, I'd say, don't worry. Can't guarantee anything though. :)

larsmidnatt · June 2015

RCT-Spanky said:
Didn't have buy Victoria 7, but have installed the Genesis 3 Female Base character, which one can do really nothing with. Just a morph for the nipples and one for the chest, that's all in the upper body section. How can I e.g. create my own characters with larger breasts out of this base character?

Hexagon :) Better than using deformers at least...

I bit the bullet due to the side of me that likes to know stuff and I did get V7 even though I NEVER used V6. I did this in hopes some decent textures come out for V7.

I bought no clothes or even hair, so hoping that I can fit some hair...but I don't have DIM so I don't know how to get autofit...

Khory · June 2015

Decent dynamic clothing and proper collision detection. It isn’t rocket science.

Which is a shame since there are probably far more people capable of working on rockets than there are people capable of creating well functioning dynamics. If dynamics coding was easy and common there would be options for it added already by enterprising people. Not just for studio but poser since the hair room could use more than a little upgrade. People say all the time DAZ needs to work on dynamics but the reality is they do not have anyone on staff who is from that rarefied little world. It is like asking your heart surgeon why he isn't doing your brain surgery.

fixmypcmike · June 2015

larsmidnatt said:
RCT-Spanky said:
Didn't have buy Victoria 7, but have installed the Genesis 3 Female Base character, which one can do really nothing with. Just a morph for the nipples and one for the chest, that's all in the upper body section. How can I e.g. create my own characters with larger breasts out of this base character?

Hexagon :) Better than using deformers at least...

I bit the bullet due to the side of me that likes to know stuff and I did get V7 even though I NEVER used V6. I did this in hopes some decent textures come out for V7.

I bought no clothes or even hair, so hoping that I can fit some hair...but I don't have DIM so I don't know how to get autofit...

You don't need DIM, G3F comes with autofit for G2F

Hoppitty · June 2015

I did a test render with some stuff from the Genesis 3 Starter Essentials, and some G2F stuff to test out the new figure. Note that I have not purchased V7 or the new G3F morphs, I've only used G3 stuff from the starter essentials that everyone gets for free (you can DL them in DIM, about 500mb).

The left figure is G3F with the Bodybuilder morph at 100%, is wearing the fantasy clothes included with one of the 5 material presets. I did this in 3delight, but the outfit also has iray mats as well. Her hair is the included set with one of the Toxic materials. She is using one of the G3F poses and was set to the ground with Ctr-D (did not adjust the raised foot).

The middle figure is G3F with the pear shaped morph, and is wearing the basic top and shorts included. She's using another pose from the starter, and wearing the same hair as the left figure but with one of the base mats instead of the Toxic mats.

The right figure is G3F with no other morphs, is wearing Fair Corsair outfit (from the V6 Pro bundle) and Dea Araneam Hair (http://www.daz3d.com/dea-araneam-hair) for G2F/V6, and has a pose from Aiko 6. I left the feet as they were, but the boots are parented to them; i.e., bending the feet down also bends the boots back. Regular shoes might auto-fit better than heels, but the rest of the outfit seems fine. As for the hair, it auto-fit perfectly and retains its morphs, and they seem to work just fine (the posing of the hair was done with a single 'full hairstyle' slider included with the hair set).

Just thought people might be curious to see what DAZ gave us for free, and how G2 stuff fits it out of the box.

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