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They were never likely to make G3 stuff backwards compatible with G2. They haven't done that kind of thing since V3 to V4 and that wasn't adopted all that much. It's all progress. As I said before, Daz wanted a new and shiny figure for their new and shiny DS, G2 wasn't it. I can see G3 being very much an Iray figure with limited texture/shader support for 3Delight. It very much remains to be seen whether DS5 will feature 3Delight at all, probably not.
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Kinda agree with all the comments here altogether.
I built up a great Genesis 2 collection and was glad that a lot of vendors came out with awesome products for the figure.
... Yet, Genesis 3 does intrigue me. I might dabble into this figure a bit, but my spending will be very cautious at this point.
Being "fair," I have more or less stopped buying new stuff for G2F because there are only so many pairs of jeans and such I think are worth having. Now I'm faced with forking over cash for new stuff, and I likely will. They've left it just long enough before bringing out the new model from that point of view.
Shoes, especially, generally don't function with the autofit. Other clothes, yes, shoes, never. Long skirts can be very iffy, but shoes rarely even work when they're flats. I'll likely confirm or deny that later today when I'm experimenting (unless Arkham Knight turns up and then all bets are off until I emerge from Gotham).
OTOH, there never seem to be any particularly good outfits for male characters. They could keep producing G2M clothing for another couple of years and I'd be happy. And I don't even model males that much. Though that could be because I have to dress them like 1970s disco-era pimps or Conan wannabes.
Have you tried saying that to Apple junkies? Be prepared to run.
Yeah well, that's Apple, to coin the old ad tagline "I'm a PC!"
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no you didn't get me. My point was not about spending the money now. My point was about spending strategy. Did you notice that in my list there were several product that are not available (yet)?
Knowing that, the total of 400$ make me think. It is somehow more of the grand total of my whish list If I do my groceries properly (waiting the righ moment to buy each thing in a reasonably amount of time, lets say less than 6 month, and it is a 86 item wishlist).
G3 maybe great technically (and I love new stuff) but I think that the commercial strategy of Daz and even more their (lack of) communication is really bad on this one.
All of this leads me to the "JUST NO" answer (for now ;-) )
The main problem with the lack of new clothing for Genesis onwards was that the Poser community never got on board. With Gen4 there was much more variety because the Poser community were doing stuff for them as well. Also, Gen4 stuff could fit G1 and 2 so there was still Poser content to be had there too. With G3 being solely Daz maybe more vendors here will feel the need to plug the gap that the departure of the Poser community will leave?
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Indeed. If it's sufficiently different, an eventual Creature Creator set might convince me, in the same way as the G2 version had, but it'll have to have noticeable improvements. Right now, the promotional images look pretty, but I'm suspecting a lot of that has to do with Iray rendering.
Still disappointed that Daz haven't included genitals as a separate optional purchase. There might be a time you need to work with nudity for whatever anatomical reasons, but simply can't afford to initially purchase the 'pro' version of the base character. I had hoped that maybe Daz would at least fit the expansions body morphs into the base figure, this time around, but they've not only continued to not do so, but have now exacerbated the problem by making the basic expressions an expansion! That always makes the customer feel short-changed, because it's like they've been sold a skeleton of a product and have to upgrade to 'gold standard', just to get it to do what it already should.
Honestly, at this point, a 'pro' set, shouldn't be including hair and costumes. It should be including all the morphs/expressions you need to just get the character up to a basic standard. I actually would be very tempted to purchase a future 'pro' bundle if they did that.
As much as I generally love what Daz have provided to us in the past, this development does remind of this (vaguely NSFW) 'South Park' scene regarding cable television companies... :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0sAVtOt2wA
I was like "Heeey a new Victo...wait...that usually means a new base figure...ooooh shh**t..." - and kept repeating the last part during the last hour. :| I took the effort to build up my G2 assets during the last weeks and now this. Bummer!
On the one side, there's nothing comparable to DAZ and I'm happy that they exist. No money earning, no DAZ, let's face it.
But on the other side, every new major release feels like a complete rip-off. They should it make an essential that you can move over assets you already own and make that easy as well. And put morphs in the starter package, not sell them separately.
So, another 100-200+ USD just to have some basic assets? Really have to think about it.
Second bummer in a row, after that NVidia exclusive IRay stuff (which I can and do use and it does look nice, but it sucks not to have a speed up with an ATI card.)
Well, let's see. :|
Edith: Sucks that I cannot change my nickname here. I've never chosen to use my real name, I never use that. So this first post is probably my last post. Kkthxbye. *grml*
Yeah, point taken, it'll be a few months before I can get on board too.
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Hi Cayman,
The reason for this is the switch from Triax to General Weight Mapping. Triax provided some nice options such as the ability to have more than one weight map per joint. The problem is, that weight mapping solution is not industry standard which made it difficult to use the previous Genesis rigs in anything but Studio. General Weight Mapping only allows one weight map per joint rotation which is why this rig has the joints split.
Now that we have General Weight Mapping, Gen 3 and V7 translate outside of Studio and work in Autodesk products and gaming engines beautifully. One of the first things I did when I got my hands on these rigs was to test out the FBX exports and used the rig in Autodesk Maya. The animations are lovely. They also translate well to 3Ds Max and gaming engines such as Unity. I haven't tried them yet in Unreal because I still need to update my SDK for that but I expect the same results.
I hope that helps. :)
~Bluebird 3D
Thanks for that explanation, Bluebird. But isn't this rather an "under the bonnet" advance? From the general user's perspective there are two handles doing one job.
On an unrelated note, I wonder if the morphs are going to get bundled. :coolsmirk:
Yes, they should have released the new G2 products whilst simultaneously promoting the upcoming release of G3. If that stopped some people from buying the G2 stuff then thats consumer power for you. There is a good way to go about it and thats by being honest with your customers, otherwise how are we supposed to trust them?
Exactly tl155180 I agree 100%.
I just bought a handful of G2F stuff from Rendo yesterday and still have no regrets because G3F Base comes with a G2F clone.
I will more than likely NOT stop buying new G2 stuff that I know can be transferred over.
People are going to jump ship either way - but why not use the promotion and hype to your advantage. Duh ;)
Make sure the plane primitive has enough polygons/vertices and the clothes will not fall through ...
One would think that would be the answer, sometimes using 3 or 4 planes with just the four verts that just overlap works better for me.
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Now where can I buy that helmet, please? Or maybe I'm living it - maybe I'm plugged in already!! Ding-ding, Thirteenth Floor.
Can it convert animated poses as well?
Just static poses. By animated poses do you mean animated files? If so I think something like that is already in the works.
I use DAZ for storytelling, and buy mostly historical costumes (e.g. Victorian, Edwardian, uniforms etc). Since IRay I find the base figures look amazing and the clothes look rubbish by comparison. The realism has gone up a level but the clothes are stuck. Many simple poses require ludicrous amounts of time and ingenuity because clothes (even quite recent clothing) aren't morphing well. As a rule, trousers have to be painted on with pre-defined creases, and big dresses usually go ape when a character is posed, and they collide through chairs etc.
So .. no problems at all with G2 figures, endless problems with G2 clothing.
Guess what I would like? Speaking selfishly, and ignoring commercial reality? What would I like, something that would make a vast difference to me? Decent dynamic clothing and proper collision detection. It isn't rocket science. What I really don't need in any way whatsoever is a new G3 figure. It isn't going to take me anywhere I want to go.
So I am pleased that DAZ is continuing to develop its products, but the clothing (unless you count endless variations on bikinis and spray-on fantasy) is increasingly unfit for purpose.
Valkeerie
On the bright side, those of us who are low on funds might hope that we will be pacified with some Flash Sales and Fast Grabs full of G2 products.
I may even start clothing G2M to keep V6 company (sorry Michael 5).
No. The main problem is that there isn't any good looking clothing for male characters. I believe this has a simple basis: economics. Clothing (preferably skimpy, definitely sexy) for female characters sells better. Go take a look at a rendering site and do a quick assessment of male vs female character renders. It is a little surprising that more female outfits don't tend to work as well as they could with breasts the size of barrage balloons, given that that's the favoured body form, but no breasts at all is not a common option.
The fact that it takes DAZ a good long while to produce black skintones could be seen as an interesting sociological factoid too. Seems like it's white, then Asian, then black, and female before male. I'm assuming that's the manga/anime influence.
Meanwhile, G2 (G2F anyway) had managed to get into the "mainstream" in a manner G1 never did, and that did result in more products being created for it, which was great. G3 will not be picked up in that way for a couple of years, if at all. However, most of the non-DAZ material was aimed at G2F, not G2M. Yes, there is some out there, but it's still the female characters that dominate.
Not too soon for me. G2 was released two years ago, and I stuck with G1 because of the split between male and female. Seems like G3 is going to be cross-gender again which is welcome - I may start buying characters again. But I really have to figure out whether the expense is worth it. Didn't need the added "realism" of G2, but the better cross-gender bends and facial expressions of G3 may be attractive. I don't relish the idea of buying the various needed add-ons again, but maybe, if there are good sales...
Really? I don't see that.
At least I hope the below indicates better cross-gender compatibility...
COMPATIBILITY
Genesis 3 content works across all Genesis 3 figures. What this means is that the same hair, dress, and shoes you place on your 22 year old slender cheerleader will still fit her fine as you morph her into a seven foot tall ogre with a massive physique or a tricycle riding toddler off for a romp in the yard.
PC Anniversary sale is in October, and at that time V7 items won't be new anymore....
Agree more dynamic for sure
When Genesis 2 was first released, I had similar misgivings to those posted here. I worried that the Genesis content I'd invested so heavily in would quickly become obsolete and that the transition to a new figure would be too jarring to get used to. It wasn't.
Looking back, I got very quickly accustomed to using Genesis 2 and she became the new staple in my runtime. Given that I was quick to judge the old G2F I'm cautious not to make that same mistake twice. With that in mind, I bought Victoria 7 to see what wonders await.
First impressions are good so far. The toes have individual articulation and multiple joints. The face is nicely detailed with plenty of polys in the right places. In terms of backwards compatibility, she'll wear anything that Genesis 2 could wear via autofit, and the items I've tried so far fit very well even in unusual poses.
Curiously, the Genesis 3 genitalia has it's own unique UV map rather than simply sharing the hip UV's like it's predecessors. That being said, it's also significantly more detailed than those earlier models too which goes some way towards explaining the change.
All in all, I'm looking forward to seeing where they go with this new figure. I still use classic Genesis and Genesis 2 alike. While we will undoubtedly see a move towards G3F in the coming months, I expect G2F will continue to be supported until such time. Lest we forget, one of the major reasons there was such a big swing in favor of G2F is the ease at which you could develop items for her compared to Genesis.
Given that G2F and G3F are about on par when it comes to developing for them, I don't expect a mass exodus towards the new figure to happen immediately. So wind down the panic stations, armageddon hasn't yet arrived :)
Aren't there female ogres?
It's not DAZ abondoning Poser users, it's Smith Micro because they refuse to support DAZ figures!
DSON was DAZ's initiative and Poser did nothing towards compatibility whatsoever
I think it's more a matter of "irreconcilable differences". Daz not wanting to be dependent on Smith Micro and Smith Micro not wanting to be dependent on Daz. If SM had integrated Genesis 1 back in 2011 or 12 they would have had to retool for G2 in 2013 and again in 2015. And again and again at Daz whims. A bit like the tail wagging the dog, or the dog waking up to find it is suddenly the tail. There are no villains here, just two companies doing what they think is best for their company and software.
Is there available a template for Genesis 3 and Vic 7?
Yes, if you go to your product library, --> DAZ Studio 4.8 --> Genesis 3 Starter Essentials
The Templates are available for manual download.