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I'm sort of at a loss at what new modern clothing there would be to add to both Genesis 8 Male or Female when I think of what clothing I need, not want. You can always do all these slight variations of the jeans & sweater or other casual wear for men; or more of the limited variations we see in the females, but after you get what you need the rest you buy is just a collector's hobby. Needed? Not really. Wanted? Just a few types of stereotypical outfits used in some professional jobs, both blue collar and white collar is all that's missing from modern wear that would have any big sales potential. I don't think you'll see great sales potential of creating endless sexy variants of male clothing, eg swimming trunks, like what is done for female clothing like bikinis, or even, LOL, female armour & professional clothing.
I've given up on buying new figures and clothes completely. Shaders and lighting setups, sure, but nothing else. If PAs want my money, give the anime girls some guys to hang with.
My sig sums up my feelings where Genesis has been heading the last couple of generations.
Oh I think there are still plenty of things we could use for gen 8 male.
A new tux. Modern military uniforms. Cowboy gear. And skimpwear. Yes those things exist for earlier generations but autofit. Is imperfect. So no I think there is still plenty of clothing items I could use. But I’m not expecting anything. I know better than to ask for male clothing here.
I've been under the impression Daz Originals are products submitted by PAs that Daz buys outright, not that Daz has PAs on staff, (with the possible exception of PC+ PAs; who do a lot more than just create products.)
I'm always on the lookout for well crafted male clothing. I have to agree with the others who have pointed out too much of the male clothing on offer is not as good a quality as most of the clothing for the females. I also understand the position of the PAs who do make top quality clothing for not wanting to put in the same amount of work on something for the males, only to see it sell half as well. For Daz and the PAs, this is a business, and they will continue to produce what sells.
Like @DaWaterRat, I'm buying Marvelous Designer this year. (I've already set aside the money and have my fingers crossed they have a Black Friday sale again this November.) Then it will be up to me to create the kind of clothing I want for my guys.
If most of your work is one-offs, I suppose that's true. But if you tend to do serial work, then reusing assets gets obvious fast. Besides, those subtle differences can help sell a scene. A rumpled suit says something about a character, so does a perfectly pressed one, or a slightly too tight/too short one.
On top of that there are needed variations for Euro Fantasy and Asian fantasy wear for guys. (and some fantasy wear that's not Euro or Asian Fantasy, but that's a different rant.) It stretches belief if five nobles from four different kingdoms are all wearing the same outfit with no variation but color.
But yes, this is all subdividing a niche market even further and there isn't a lot of market potential for it. So it will either be made as one offs by individual artists for their own scenes, or by artists who don't need to do this for a living, and can therefore afford to do things "for the art."
Please PM links, because I'd like to go there too. The second biggest brokerage whose name starts with an R certainly isn't one; its ratio of female to male content is about the same as Daz3d's for exactly the same reasons.
I'm committed to parity where possible, but sometimes the female version just does eh, okay for the time it took, and then I basically can't afford to do a male one after it (as happened with Anime Character Builder). Fortunately for me, the Roman set did pretty well in the male version.
There is male content in the Daz store, just not as much as female.
Quality varies among female content also. No evidence the average is worse for male content.
PAs as a group have no duty to serve your preferences over mine. I would like more non-beautiful faces and figures, more stylized toon figures, more silly claymation and puppet figures, more flat texture sets and cell shader render options, and more whimsy in general. What am I told? More people are pursuing photo-realism of glamorous types. People want hyperrealism, not whimsy. Some recent exceptions - Awesome! Yay, Daz and PAs. I could still complain and say I want more, because I do.
So, what of the pursuit of realism? - according to the BEA, retail sales for women’s and girls apparel far exceeds that for men and boys. Want realism? You got it. Go to bea.gov and navigate to the stats for apparel in retail sales.
Actually, I am very sympathetic to the call for more male content. In particular, I would like more historical pieces and more occupational pieces, in addition to fantasy and whimsy. A while ago, I tried to revive the male content creation thread, but there was no apparent interest.
Please PM me the links too!
It has been said here time and again that the average Daz customer does not buy or support male content. So if there is a place selling quality male content it won't be hurting Daz to tell us where it is. And yet, I would rather buy it here if it was available, it only seems fair since I am using this software for free.
@SickleYield I would love to get a male version of the anime character builder. Got the female one already.
I just want to say how great that looks! I can totally see that used for Hazmat situations, both modern and futuristic! Kudos.
Yes, thanks, I heard about that. And there is also the famous story involving a virgin.
Add me to the PM party list! Please?
I’m not aware of any stores selling much new male content. There are a couple places that sell some items, but not anything significant. I also know of one pa who has a nice patreon site where he offers clothing, hair and characters for a subscription fee.
Well, we did just get a spiffy new demon, with AE.
And it's the Roman male clothing and it's realistic approach that will bring what good success male clothing will have although I don't know it's it's a successful enough niche to compete with further subdividing a limited pot of female sexy armour & bikinis.
So there have been in Genesis 3 cowboys, police, sheriffs, construction, rangers, police again, firemen, surgeons, 19th century wear, pirates, WWII (American) grunts, patients, (banker) suits, ...what is left that isn't extremely detailed & involved to model like 16th, 17th, & 18th century nobility clothing?
It needs to be big in pop culture but not require excessive alterations for each professional niche like the military and all their uniforms for different jobs and add to that the ranks and also military work wear vs dress parade wear and add to that all the different variations all that for all the different countries...too much!
Your Roman wear fit the bill. Greek wear likely would too but less fantasy and more traditional. Old clothing from Biblical times would fit the theme. So maybe creating a theme that is a bunch of male & female sets of authentic clothing based on well-known locations in the Roman Empire in year 0 would work. Israel, Rome, France, Britian, Spain, Greece, Egypt (although some of those are too similar to need to repeat and probably could be handled with textures). Bind it together in a logical way that encourages purchasing the entire set.
Modern Men's Professional wear? Racecar drivers are popular. Stereotypical Doctors/Dentists clothing and accessories. Chaffeurs. Butlers. Typical Maitenance Workers (Dickie's style clothing - although that's practically speaking already done with existing clothing for G8M). Yes, another tuxedo and it's varients, tails and what-not, a suit with it's single & double breasted varient types are likely to sell OK but the details needed to make them work correctly are pretty high.
Of those I think a set of Racedriver's clothing and Roman Empire Era clothing would give the biggest return for for least effort.
Military uniforms of all kinds: modern, American Civil War, Revolutionary War, French Foreign Legion, East Indian military garb.....I'd buy it all really. Native American clothing including loincloth and leggings, fringed shirts, headresses, bone armor, etc. (and not just plains indians. There are the tribes of the whole Iroquois Nation, Pueblo, Apache, American Northwest...I could go on and on). Spanish colonial; Period English, French and American clothing; Ethnic costumes like lederhosen and kilts or any ethnic group; street clothes like young people wear today; clothes geared toward older people; sports uniforms; work uniforms and overalls; radiation suits; celestial beings (think angelic); ancient clothing (pick a period); cyberpunk; dieselpunk and every other punk; circus performers; ice skaters; band uniforms; disheveled clothing; ripped and torn clothing; judges robes; graduation robes; clerical clothing and uniforms (cardinal and monsignor's robes would be nice); clothing worn by ancient Egyptian, Sumerian, Assyrian, Israeli, Phillistine (you name it) priests and/or gods; Arabic clothes and headgear (think Sultan); equestrian wear....
I'm sure I can come up with more.
Laurie
I might also suggest that if male content doesn't sell that Daz consider just eliminating males altogether and I can just quit this hobby and move on to something else ;)
Right then, All of the usual responses
within the first two pages
The Sincere pleading
The Sardonic humor
The outright anger
The Economic reality from the PA's
The contrite refusal to accept the economic realties
the Idle( mostly empty) threats to "stop" shopping here. etc etc
Something seems missing however..........
Ahh .. yes
"I dont need the PA's to make male content I make my own
You should too!!!
I am liberated from the Daz content "Hamster wheel"
Here is an oufit I made for the G3 Male Blah blah blah
Iclone rules!!!, blah blah...
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Yea, we've seen it wolf ;). Not everyone is as talented as you though.... They depend on the PAs to provide what they can't make themselves (or in some cases don't have time to make themselves). I see where you're coming from, but not everyone has the patience or talent to do what you suggest. The fact that you keep repeating it isn't going to make that any less true.
Laurie
You do realize My post was mostly a satirical swipe at
My own predictable response to this subject, along with everyone elses predictable comments
( I though the "Iclone rules blah blah" was an obvious indicator that I was not actually serious)
LOL, wow
Maybe some of us are hoping that Daz will either "s**t or get off the pot" as my grandmother used to say ;). Wear them down by sheer repetition. At least show them that there IS a market out there...maybe not as big as there is for females, but still money that can be made. Or not. I don't plan to shut up about it. It's important for Daz to know that's where I want to spend my money. And I spend a lot of money here (by my own standards of course..probably not Daz's...lol).
Laurie
a marine uniform and improved army uniform would be useful. There are no real world...dress uniforms, and well I’m tired of autofitting slosh’s excellent naval unfiform so an updated one would be nice for gen 8 males.
Hear, hear. And how about some accessories? E.g. a briefcase for those businessmen (not all documents fit on one's cell phone) and a more casual briefcase / leather satchel for our Professor characters.
It's those professional accessories we need to make stories in renders so I agree. ink pens, pencils, paper, typewriter, computers,...
Convince vendors to STOP with the stupid tube cargo shorts, and maybe WE WILL.
I think Oso3D has a point. I'm not saying buy every male item that comes out just because it is a male item. If you think something is of low quality, it does not help anyone to purchase it.
I'd love a an Italian business suit with all the accesories mentioned above. The briefcases and satchel bags idea is also excellent. If any PA out ther feels like doing such a set,please let me know because I'd like to texture it, or do an add-on.
So what one item can everyone who posted to this thread get 100 other people to agree to? Laurie posted a bunch of really cool stuff above. The problem is most of the ideas are either too niche, or too general. I already worked on the set of male "street clothes like young people wear today." Where I live we wear jeans and flannel shirts all year long. They wear something different in New York and California.
Can someone post a specific reference picture in the product suggestions forum and get even 50 other people to say I'd like to buy that (on intro, not wishlisted for a bigger sale) if it looked just like the picture? I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I genuinely hope it is possible because I think that is the only thing that has even the smallest chance of getting more male items made.
I own most male gen 8 content and a lot of male content for other generations. How much do people need to buy to be..
airquote supportive? It feels often that pas Expect the impossible from male content buyers. When is it enough?
I do agree about the shorts . I own at least 4-5 pairs of cargos for this generation as well as male Mohawks hairstyles.
I guess I will cancel my new set coming out soon ...
I hear what you're saying, DG, about buying on Intro, but I can't promise I can buy anything on Intro. All too often something comes out that I want the day after something else comes out that I want... and I've already bought the first thing. Or at a time when I need to spend my mad money on stuff that's not Daz. Or when something I need more is also on sale, and I can only afford one. Or at any time that I've already gone through my mad money and won't have a refresh until the intro sale is over... There can be any one of dozens of reasons why, despite my best intentions, I can't buy it on intro and it has to go on the wish list. And once it's on the wish list, unless I really-o truly-o need it now (and this being a hobby for me, the times that happens are really, really infrequent) I'm going to wait for another sale. Maybe not a better sale, but certainly another one.
So while there may be many things that if they were to come out I'd love to get on intro, there is nothing I can promise I will buy, because I can't promise I'll have the funds available to buy.
PA's have their financial realites, I have mine.
If you give me a day I can find plenty of examples ;).
Laurie