Has anyone here bought a Treadripper rig and used it for Studio yet?

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  • GreymomGreymom Posts: 1,139

    Sorry if this has already been posted, but I just found this article from Tom's Hardware with some good comparisons of the Threadripper CPU's to old and new Intel CPU's, including the new 7900-series. There is also an example comparing the 7900 and Threadripper 1950x overclocked.  I was impressed by the Luxrender test scores, the article states: "The console version of LuxRender confirms these results. The 1950X is in a league of its own"

    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-cpu,5167-11.html

    and some more:  https://www.anandtech.com/show/11697/the-amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x-and-1920x-review/8

     

  • drzapdrzap Posts: 795

    I'm so glad AMD has finally brought the goods to kick Intel's butt.  When you own the whole boat, you can charge whatever you want for tickets.  Intel has owned the boat for too long.

  • OZ-84OZ-84 Posts: 137
    kyoto kid said:

    ...if I had overclocked my old i7 from teh beginning I'd probably be looking for a new CPU soon if not already.

    More cores seems to be the better route for CPU rendering (which is one of the reasons big studios have warehouses full of networked render systems).  This is why for now  I am still considering a dual Broadwell Xeon setup for my next system. While yes, slower than GPU rendering, effectively there is no memory limit to work under except whatever is on the MB. Having over 10 times times the memory resources of a single Titan Xp (128 GB), which costs about the same as an Xp without water cooling, it pretty much ensures the process will not dump to a slower mode (in this case swap mode).  Having 32 - 48 CPU threads will knock those day + render jobs down to a few hours and do so more accurately. I can live with that.  Now if Daz and Nvidia work out Iray network rendering for Studio, then al the better as I can just build a render box and use my current system for scene creation thus not having to wait for a render job to complete before I can work on something new..

    This is a feature of Reality/Lux that I always liked. It was just the glacial CPU render times in high quality mode and instability of R4.x that turned me off Yeah I the latest releases of Reality and Lux have the accelerated CPU mode, but that adds more bias into the process and reduces render quality.

    A Threadripper 1950X with 32 processor threads at 3.4 GHz would definitely grant a noticeable improvement in render times over 8 cores on an old Nehalem i7 at 2.8 GHz without having to burn out the CPU.  As Threadripper is still new, there are no cooling solutions specifically made for it that are available yet. The key word here is "yet". Other solutions may work but not as good as one that is specifically designed to be fully compatible with the larger CPU form factor.  

    But even with 16 cores/32 threads it still is only 1/3 the speed of a 980 Ti, a generation behind of Nvidia cards.  Unless you're rendering really big scenes, it's an expensive way to do it.  I know you use Carrera too, so it comes down to deciding based on which apps you use the most.

    If mostly Studio, I'd suggest tracking your mem usage with Studio on your biggest scenes to see how much you need.  I was looking at 1080 Ti's, I used Nvidia Inspector, the 11 GB is tight but they fit.

    Hi there folks :-D 

    My first post @ Daz forum ... after reading several hundeds. I want to add my juice here. I own a 16 core Threadripper rig and in my opinion its really worth the money. Not enough you get those tasty PCI-E lanes, my observations show that the CPU is able to do more than half the speed of a 1080ti (both at baseclock). So, cant really confirm that the CPU is like 1/3 980ti. However ... the thing with the PCI-E Lanes will become even more important in future. I am quiet sure that there will be 5-8? PCI-E Slot Boards avaiable in future. If one is crazy, or needy enough to use this amount of GFX cards ... there will be no way arround the AMD CPU ;-)

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854

    ...good point .  If I can get CPU renders to finish in half the time they do now I'd be very pleased as Prosumer GPU cards have a ways to go to provide enough mnemory for really big scenes like I create. I could build a complete Threadripper 1950X rig with 128 GB of memory (and a low power GPU card to drive the displays) for about the cost of a single Quadro P5000 which has 16 GB of VRAM, and still be able to install amore powerful GPU card later once Nvida offers a Prosumer grade one that competes with AMD's 16 GB HBM 2 Vega Frontier.

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319
    edited October 2017
    sebloska said:
    kyoto kid said:

    ...if I had overclocked my old i7 from teh beginning I'd probably be looking for a new CPU soon if not already.

    More cores seems to be the better route for CPU rendering (which is one of the reasons big studios have warehouses full of networked render systems).  This is why for now  I am still considering a dual Broadwell Xeon setup for my next system. While yes, slower than GPU rendering, effectively there is no memory limit to work under except whatever is on the MB. Having over 10 times times the memory resources of a single Titan Xp (128 GB), which costs about the same as an Xp without water cooling, it pretty much ensures the process will not dump to a slower mode (in this case swap mode).  Having 32 - 48 CPU threads will knock those day + render jobs down to a few hours and do so more accurately. I can live with that.  Now if Daz and Nvidia work out Iray network rendering for Studio, then al the better as I can just build a render box and use my current system for scene creation thus not having to wait for a render job to complete before I can work on something new..

    This is a feature of Reality/Lux that I always liked. It was just the glacial CPU render times in high quality mode and instability of R4.x that turned me off Yeah I the latest releases of Reality and Lux have the accelerated CPU mode, but that adds more bias into the process and reduces render quality.

    A Threadripper 1950X with 32 processor threads at 3.4 GHz would definitely grant a noticeable improvement in render times over 8 cores on an old Nehalem i7 at 2.8 GHz without having to burn out the CPU.  As Threadripper is still new, there are no cooling solutions specifically made for it that are available yet. The key word here is "yet". Other solutions may work but not as good as one that is specifically designed to be fully compatible with the larger CPU form factor.  

    But even with 16 cores/32 threads it still is only 1/3 the speed of a 980 Ti, a generation behind of Nvidia cards.  Unless you're rendering really big scenes, it's an expensive way to do it.  I know you use Carrera too, so it comes down to deciding based on which apps you use the most.

    If mostly Studio, I'd suggest tracking your mem usage with Studio on your biggest scenes to see how much you need.  I was looking at 1080 Ti's, I used Nvidia Inspector, the 11 GB is tight but they fit.

    Hi there folks :-D 

    My first post @ Daz forum ... after reading several hundeds. I want to add my juice here. I own a 16 core Threadripper rig and in my opinion its really worth the money. Not enough you get those tasty PCI-E lanes, my observations show that the CPU is able to do more than half the speed of a 1080ti (both at baseclock). So, cant really confirm that the CPU is like 1/3 980ti. However ... the thing with the PCI-E Lanes will become even more important in future. I am quiet sure that there will be 5-8? PCI-E Slot Boards avaiable in future. If one is crazy, or needy enough to use this amount of GFX cards ... there will be no way arround the AMD CPU ;-)

     

    Cool.  I'll have to check that out when I get mine together!

    Speaking of that, son of a *****!  angry

    The threads on one of the screws of my waterblock was jacked, or the threaded base.  I dunno, I only discovered after taking it off.  Applied the paste, put the water block on then I couldn't get one screw to thread so I had to pull it off.  Saw some thread shavings on the screw.  Fortunately I was able to get it in after I put some oil on it, but I didn't have enough thermal paste after that.  Only stuff I could find local was some Arctic Silver 5, which is pretty dated now for performance.  Sigh... so I coughed up an extra $9 to get a tiny little syringe of the Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut grease which it came with. 

     

    ETA: May be a little bit my fault, I asked if it came with enough paste for more than one application and they said yes... but info on the web was that their instructed amount probably won't cover all the dies, so I applied more as some others have (4 little lines over the dies).  Using that much only gave me enough for 1 application.

     

     

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  • sebloska said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Speaking of that, son of a *****!  angry

    Know what you mean I had to order some screws to mount the radiators as the ones that they came with were to short and out of the several thousand I had none were the the right length or they were the wrong thread 

  • Grrr was going to have four nvidia 1070's in this system but just found out that you can't put four video cards on this motherboard (Asus ROG Zenith Extreme) as the fourth one covers up needed headers (usb, fan, power,etc) on the motherboard edge

  • JamesJABJamesJAB Posts: 1,766

    Grrr was going to have four nvidia 1070's in this system but just found out that you can't put four video cards on this motherboard (Asus ROG Zenith Extreme) as the fourth one covers up needed headers (usb, fan, power,etc) on the motherboard edge

    Sounds like you need to complain to ASUS on that one... They advertise it as a 4 GPU motherboard.  The fact that the fourth GPU blocks headders on the board making them unusable is unacceptable on a $500 motherboard.

    ......  Wow that board is a mess according to newegg reviews.  Looks like Asus rushed it to market without enough testing.  (if you can, I would see about getting it replaced with one that has better reviews)  At least Asus is active on Newegg checking the reviews and handing our support ticket numbers like candy.

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319
    JamesJAB said:

    Grrr was going to have four nvidia 1070's in this system but just found out that you can't put four video cards on this motherboard (Asus ROG Zenith Extreme) as the fourth one covers up needed headers (usb, fan, power,etc) on the motherboard edge

    Sounds like you need to complain to ASUS on that one... They advertise it as a 4 GPU motherboard.  The fact that the fourth GPU blocks headders on the board making them unusable is unacceptable on a $500 motherboard.

    ......  Wow that board is a mess according to newegg reviews.  Looks like Asus rushed it to market without enough testing.  (if you can, I would see about getting it replaced with one that has better reviews)  At least Asus is active on Newegg checking the reviews and handing our support ticket numbers like candy.

    Yeah I was a little hesitant from the reviews. But it seems lots of reviewers got the board and didn't mention any problems saying it is a top performer. I didn't have much trouble getting the CPU screws like many said they did.
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    Yeah I was a little hesitant from the reviews. But it seems lots of reviewers got the board and didn't mention any problems saying it is a top performer. I didn't have much trouble getting the CPU screws like many said they did.

    Yeah I didn't have any with the cpu screws either.

    I was hoping to finish the build and fire it up this weekend and then ran into this problem so I'm a bit disgusted and peoed at the moment

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319
    JamesJAB said:

     

     

    Yeah I was a little hesitant from the reviews. But it seems lots of reviewers got the board and didn't mention any problems saying it is a top performer. I didn't have much trouble getting the CPU screws like many said they did.

    Yeah I didn't have any with the cpu screws either.

    I was hoping to finish the build and fire it up this weekend and then ran into this problem so I'm a bit disgusted and peoed at the moment

    That sucks! With how much 1070's are going for with the mining craze, have you considered pawning them off for 1080 Tis? 2 would be about the same power as the 4, and also be pretty close to even money wise as well.
  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319

    Woo! 

    UPS wasn't late.  Coughed up the extra for Saturday delivery, my little tube of Kryonaut wound up costing me $20.  But I have it to hopefully get this finished over the weekend.

  • JamesJAB said:

     

     

    Yeah I was a little hesitant from the reviews. But it seems lots of reviewers got the board and didn't mention any problems saying it is a top performer. I didn't have much trouble getting the CPU screws like many said they did.

    Yeah I didn't have any with the cpu screws either.

    I was hoping to finish the build and fire it up this weekend and then ran into this problem so I'm a bit disgusted and peoed at the moment

     

    That sucks! With how much 1070's are going for with the mining craze, have you considered pawning them off for 1080 Tis? 2 would be about the same power as the 4, and also be pretty close to even money wise as well.

    Not really as they range in age from 1 to 2 yrs old

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319
    JamesJAB said:

     

     

    Yeah I was a little hesitant from the reviews. But it seems lots of reviewers got the board and didn't mention any problems saying it is a top performer. I didn't have much trouble getting the CPU screws like many said they did.

    Yeah I didn't have any with the cpu screws either.

    I was hoping to finish the build and fire it up this weekend and then ran into this problem so I'm a bit disgusted and peoed at the moment

     

    That sucks! With how much 1070's are going for with the mining craze, have you considered pawning them off for 1080 Tis? 2 would be about the same power as the 4, and also be pretty close to even money wise as well.

    Not really as they range in age from 1 to 2 yrs old

    I think you'd be surprised... I just looked at Ebay, I saw a used MSI GTX 1070 at $378 right now, 13 bids on it.  Dunno exactly what you have, but if that's the going rate you should be able to break even 2 for 1.

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319

    Took the stock cooler off one of the Titans so far... woof, a LOT of screws!

  • Took the stock cooler off one of the Titans so far... woof, a LOT of screws!

    Same with the 1070s when I changed them over for liquid cooling

    I've got four of the MSI Gaming GeForce GTX 1070 8GB GDDR5 SLI DirectX 12 VR Ready Graphics Card (GTX 1070 AERO 8G OC)

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,574
    edited October 2017

    Looked for my video cards at Ebay and boy are they out to make a killing everyone of them was priced higher than what mine is selling for new right now a couple of them by over $200.00

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  • outrider42outrider42 Posts: 3,679
    Aside from Iray performance, I'm curious to what the 3DL performance is, too. It would be fun to make some more stylistic renders with some sweet Threadripper speed.
  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,854
    edited October 2017

    Looked for my video cards at Ebay and boy are they out to make a killing everyone of them was priced higher than what mine is selling for new right now a couple of them by over $200.00

    ...yeah I once found someone selling a Titan-Z (the dual card that was 6 + 6 GB) for almost the price of a new 8 GB  Quadro M5000 at the time.  For rendering the Titan Z was no better than a Titan Black. which could be had for about 500 - 600$ back then on ebay.

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  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319

    Looked for my video cards at Ebay and boy are they out to make a killing everyone of them was priced higher than what mine is selling for new right now a couple of them by over $200.00

    LOL, you might actually come out ahead, which is rare with used computer equipment!  laugh

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319

    Grrr was going to have four nvidia 1070's in this system but just found out that you can't put four video cards on this motherboard (Asus ROG Zenith Extreme) as the fourth one covers up needed headers (usb, fan, power,etc) on the motherboard edge

    Are the coolers or water blocks oversized?

    I added an EVGA GTX 1060 for the desktop while rendering, and plugged it in to the bottom slot.  Like another motherboard it was close but I'm able to install it with the headers connected.  Although it's not as long, it should be the same for the others... except the USB 3 front connector.  That one on the bottom is for 3.1 Gen 1, the one on the front is 3.1 Gen 2.  My case only has one and I connected it to the Gen 2.

     

     

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    It's all together and running.  smiley

     

    A bit of an annoyance with the cards.  I connected the monitor to the 1060, then it wouldn't let me enable SLI on the two Titans.  I was able to dedicate it to PhysX. 

    If I can't change that, I'll have to keep swapping the video cable around to switch between rendering and gaming.  frown

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319

    Fired off a render quick, all stock settings - no overclocking yet.

    It started rendering slower than the i7-6700k with 1 1080 Ti, but that one is a little overclocked with mem running at 3200 MHz and the 1080 Ti was at PCIe 16x.  I will time it again adding the second card.  Saw two cores hit 100%, with decent usage on others.  Should have screen capped it.

    Interesting thing is the Titan X Pascals ran 1800-some MHz, which is way higher than Nvidia's listed boost clock. And both ran at only 40ish (forgot exactly) celsius at full load.  smiley

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,574
    edited October 2017

    Grrr was going to have four nvidia 1070's in this system but just found out that you can't put four video cards on this motherboard (Asus ROG Zenith Extreme) as the fourth one covers up needed headers (usb, fan, power,etc) on the motherboard edge

    Are the coolers or water blocks oversized?

    I added an EVGA GTX 1060 for the desktop while rendering, and plugged it in to the bottom slot.  Like another motherboard it was close but I'm able to install it with the headers connected.  Although it's not as long, it should be the same for the others... except the USB 3 front connector.  That one on the bottom is for 3.1 Gen 1, the one on the front is 3.1 Gen 2.  My case only has one and I connected it to the Gen 2.

     

     

    Actually they're just a bit thinner( about 1/32" )than the ducted fan that came on the card

    I'm going to see if I can modify the lower cooling fins to get clearance as these are aluminum full cover coolers

    Heres a pic disregard the wiring mess as it's just hanging out at the moment

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  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319

    Grrr was going to have four nvidia 1070's in this system but just found out that you can't put four video cards on this motherboard (Asus ROG Zenith Extreme) as the fourth one covers up needed headers (usb, fan, power,etc) on the motherboard edge

    Are the coolers or water blocks oversized?

    I added an EVGA GTX 1060 for the desktop while rendering, and plugged it in to the bottom slot.  Like another motherboard it was close but I'm able to install it with the headers connected.  Although it's not as long, it should be the same for the others... except the USB 3 front connector.  That one on the bottom is for 3.1 Gen 1, the one on the front is 3.1 Gen 2.  My case only has one and I connected it to the Gen 2.

     

     

    Actually they're just a bit thinner( about 1/32" )than the ducted fan that came on the card

    I'm going to see if I can modify the lower cooling fins to get clearance as these are aluminum full cover coolers

    Heres a pic disregard the wiring mess as it's just hanging out at the moment

    Looks like that would be fine. I think my card appears to hang over more with The stock cooler. The header wires are thin and bend easily. I just plugged the headers on, bent the wires over and was able to plug the card in without applying extra force. The last one on the corner (power switch, reset, he'd led, etc.), you don't have to use Asus' connector thingy if you don't have the clearance with it plugged in.
  • Grrr was going to have four nvidia 1070's in this system but just found out that you can't put four video cards on this motherboard (Asus ROG Zenith Extreme) as the fourth one covers up needed headers (usb, fan, power,etc) on the motherboard edge

    Are the coolers or water blocks oversized?

    I added an EVGA GTX 1060 for the desktop while rendering, and plugged it in to the bottom slot.  Like another motherboard it was close but I'm able to install it with the headers connected.  Although it's not as long, it should be the same for the others... except the USB 3 front connector.  That one on the bottom is for 3.1 Gen 1, the one on the front is 3.1 Gen 2.  My case only has one and I connected it to the Gen 2.

     

     

    Actually they're just a bit thinner( about 1/32" )than the ducted fan that came on the card

    I'm going to see if I can modify the lower cooling fins to get clearance as these are aluminum full cover coolers

    Heres a pic disregard the wiring mess as it's just hanging out at the moment

     

    Looks like that would be fine. I think my card appears to hang over more with The stock cooler. The header wires are thin and bend easily. I just plugged the headers on, bent the wires over and was able to plug the card in without applying extra force. The last one on the corner (power switch, reset, he'd led, etc.), you don't have to use Asus' connector thingy if you don't have the clearance with it plugged in.

    Forgot to mention that there are only three GPUs in that picture if the fourth one had been in it would've looked like the motherboard headers were plugged into it.

    I'm waiting on the paint to finish drying on the cooler that I've modified

  • GatorGator Posts: 1,319

    ARGH!!!  angry

    I WAS basically all set up, at least had Daz on it (& the libraries, the most work) and a few games we're playing.  I was experimenting with the overclocking a little, then installed many of the Asus utilities included with the motherboard.  Frickin' FPS games got unplayable stuttering.  Back to stock speeds no difference.  System restore helped a little, CC cleaner helped some more.  But still the occaisional hiccup, not smooth as butter like before or on the Intel system.  

    At least I imaged the drive after getting Windows 10 installed with all the drivers set.  I'm going back to it.  A bit painful, mostly loading my libraries up all over again, but I'd rather restart now before I finish re-installing all my apps.

  • Finished modifing the fins on the #4 GPU cooler had to remove the 6 lower fins to get clearance for the motherboard headers hopefully I can finish assembly and filling of the loop today and leak test through tomorrow and then install drives and OS Saturday I HOPE

    I reassembled the stock fan cooler and checked to see if it coverd the mtherboard headers and it does I have to wonder what cards Asus used. They have as yet not replied to my inquiry

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    Finished modifing the fins on the #4 GPU cooler had to remove the 6 lower fins to get clearance for the motherboard headers hopefully I can finish assembly and filling of the loop today and leak test through tomorrow and then install drives and OS Saturday I HOPE

    I reassembled the stock fan cooler and checked to see if it coverd the mtherboard headers and it does I have to wonder what cards Asus used. They have as yet not replied to my inquiry

    Weird.  The MSI card must be larger than normal.  I took a pic of my EVGA 1060 in the last slot - it hangs below the motherboard quite a bit.  No issue with the headers.

     

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    OK, I re-imaged my computer, installed Studio, and am installing my library again.  That fixed the problem with games stuttering.  I'm not sure which Asus app did it, but be warned one did.  I'd recommend making a quick image after getting Windows installed and drivers set before installing their utilities.

     

    My water level still keeps going down, I'm like 99% sure it's air getting out.  Water level was right at the cap.  It's been a few days, seems to take some time.  I did run it for about 24 hours without mobo power without leaks, and I've looked carefully and don't see any evidence of leaks.  I do see the air bubble is much smaller in the CPU block.

     

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