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  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,675
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Redz said:
    divamakeup said:

    The facial pose controls with V8 look Ah-may-zing! Argh, makes me want to get her. I'm so torn.

    They do, but when I open power pose the interface doean't look like the video. What am I doing wrong? 

    Make sure you are using 4.9.4.115, which is needed for Genesis 8 female anyway

    I updated to 4.9.4.115 yesterday but DIM gave me another update today. I've now got 4.9.4.117, I assumed this udate was for Genesis 8 or Vicky 8.

  • EamonEamon Posts: 160
    mtl1 said:
    Eamon said:

    Please forgive the Ignorance, but when they say 'backward compatable', could that mean that I can update my character which is a G1 Victoria 5 figure and have her look exactly the same, especially the face and she can still wear all the bits and bobs, some of which is very old?

     

     

    She won't look the same as you'd have to transfer the skin and shape -- which is the case for going between any generation. Clothing, on the other hand, will fit relatively well depending on what it is.

    Thanks for the reply. Skin is fine but can I not just copy the face shape?

     

  • statistx_42556c1853statistx_42556c1853 Posts: 89
    RAMWolff said:
    jakiblue said:

    What was the reasoning behind doing the eyelashes as a separate figure? What are the advantages to that?

    Are they perhaps fiber mesh figures? 

    So far I'm torn... I don't really use Genesis but in cases like new figure releases I usually bend and get figures like Mike, Vickie and a few others here and there but aside from the changes in the rig, better expressions and pose/bend ..... maybe DAZ needs money.  I do like that Connie updated her boots, those went into the cart.  Gotta support my friend.  heart

     

    Not sure if Daz NEEDS the money, but they sure WANT the money.

    I remember when they praised Genesis 1 as the new best thing and praised how it is 1 figure for both genders and then rather shortly "Yo here's the newest shit, Gen 2 and it has 2 gender bases, cause thats better and also we figured we can only sell you 1 product instead of 2 if we only have 1 base"

  • RedzRedz Posts: 1,459

    First try transfering a G3F morph to G8F using the manual method that was described here on the forum when G3 first came out.

    This is Monique 7. I think she turned out quite well for a first attempt, just a little kinking at the ends of the fingernails.

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  • LlynaraLlynara Posts: 4,772

    She looks very good, Redz! Do you have a link to that thread? Would love to try it. Thanks!

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,408
    trip citrus said:

    To answer my own question, looks like V7 gens from 'rotica DO NOT work with the new figure...gives an error box to load compatible figure

    Also looks like all the boob control puppeteer stuff is no longer working, I'm assuming glutes as well, so as far as "backwards compatible" I'm assuming they're talking about things they're NOT going to attempt to sell me over the next year with the new figure....guess I'm done playing catch up....V7 is good enough for me

    IMO....everything they've made SHOULD work on each new figure they come out with...even 3rd party, if not, tweak the new character until it all DOES work...the crony-captialistic principle of planned obsolescense comes to mind with this release...

    Hold on, are you saying that they don't work on the older figures or the NEW one?  If they've broken the existing products it's time to storm the castle. 

  • BruganBrugan Posts: 365
    Zev0 said:

    Soon I hope. It is in testing. Was supposed to make launch window but we missed it by a few days submitting late:( Oh and the new Pose Converter is future proof, meaning you can use all Genesis 8 poses on Genesis3 as well. We reversed engeneered the scripts so essentially its a two in one product:)

    This is great news, thank you Zev0!!!

  • RedzRedz Posts: 1,459

    First try transfering a G3F morph to G8F using the manual method that was described here on the forum when G3 first came out.

    This is Monique 7. I think she turned out quite well for a first attempt, just a little kinking at the ends of the fingernails.

    Llynara said:

    She looks very good, Redz! Do you have a link to that thread? Would love to try it. Thanks!

    She'd look better if I'd remembered to put her lashes back on. This is the original thread https://www.daz3d.com/forums/viewthread/24093/ If I have time tomorrow I may try to write up a quickie updated  tutorial. I can share my helper poses/shapes but not I should think,  the G8 mesh itself that''s used to make the morphs from G3.

    Here's Mei Lin on G8F

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,408
    boisselazon said:

    the best thing about genesis 8 is that now genesis 3 (and already 2 and 1) will drop in price with big discount soon like there were back in winter 2016...

    Still waiting gen 3 pro bundle at 15 to 27$ (mei lin, mathius, rune, etc...)

    So true.  I've skipped a number of the latter G3F&M releases as they really haven't added much to the potential of the figure and I'd assumed that they'd drop noticeably in the future.  Looks like that future is here.

  • mgessat_f159911d19mgessat_f159911d19 Posts: 81
    Llynara said:
    tombraider4ever said:

    Thanks for the replies! :) About my other question, is it possible to transfer a character morph for Genesis 3 to Genesis 8?

    I'm not seeing an easy way to bring them over. Trying to load a morph definitely doesn't work and they don't show up in the shaping sliders. Perhaps the changes are too big for that to be doable. There might be a way to use the morph transfer utility to do that. Haven't explored it yet. With the recent passing of the GenX2 creator, it might be a while before we can get the morphs over to V8, not sure. 

    I still think there's plenty of life left in Genesis 3. V8 just opens some new possibilities. We probably won't see a M8 till late fall if it follows the release pattern so far. 

    It is possible - I was successful in bringing my favourite girl from G3 to G8 - it is the same procedure as it was between former generations. I just followed the description here http://www.digi-dotz.com/index.php/free-poses/tutorials/daz-studio-tutorials/47-morph-in-daz-studio to create the G3 model morph and here http://www.digi-dotz.com/index.php/free-poses/tutorials/daz-studio-tutorials/48-genesis-morphs-to-genesis-2 to transfer it to G8. Just replace always the source "Genesis" by "Genesis 3" and the Target "Genesis 2" by "Genesis 8". It is important to zero any "mouth/teeth/gum HD morphs" before you create the morph/OBJ of the source; otherwise you will get distorted teeth in the resulting G8. The transfer process is even much better than between G2 and G3 - there are no distortions in the eyes or in the teeth.

    So I am rather happy at the moment - I did not yet solve the problem with high heels, but all other clothes and hairs are working fine. The G3 MATS are working, and you can use even the G3 poses with rather few corrections of the arms. 

    Of course the conversion of a model or a single morph will take some time and you will probably convert some essentials, but not your whole library. Unfortunately the creator of GenX, Ralf Sesseler, seems to be passed away - a big loss because he was so friendly and always busy to give support for any user of his products.

    The discussions now are the same as at every generation change or evolution here at Daz3D - but for me G8 seems to be an improvement.         

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,408
    cherpenbeck said:

    Totally practical if the first part of your body to decompress in space will be right above your heart ...

    But on the plus side, it makes your boobs look bigger. :D

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,408
    divamakeup said:

    Is anyone else having this issue with the Genesis 8 Base Female's eyes?

     

    The weird silver ring shows up when the light hits her eyes in a certain way. It's really odd and I don't know if it's just me (because of my custom shaders on her), or if it's an issues others are having.

    There's something weird about V8's eyes to begin with.  In a lot of the promo images they look more lilke they're plastic than real. 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,408
    Male-M3dia said:
    Sorel said:
    do I have to wait 6 months for Michael 8? :(

    Please don't rush them wink. Let them build off of what they learn from V8.

    Unfortunately, one of the lessons seems to inevitably be that "bigger boobs sell better", which may be why MIcheal 6 and his posse had such issues in that department.

    And just try to say "Bigger Boobs Sell Better" five times fast.  Whee!  New tongue twister!

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,408
    Peter Wade said:

    There is no mention of "anatomical elements" in the pro bundle description. It used to be the tradition that they were included in all adult age pro bundles. Is that not the case anymore or are Daz now too timid to say they are included.

    It's listed on the product page:  Genesis 8 Female Anatomical Elements

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,408
    GafftheHorse said:
    th3Digit said:
    RKane_1 said:
    jakiblue said:

    Definitely without a doubt, get the Platinum Club membership. Go for the quarterly to start with as it's a bit less expensive than the yearly, but you'll be stoked when you see prices on stuff. You'll get extra discounts on the DAZ Originals, the weekly PC items are under $5 and you'll get two coupons each month - one to spend $6 on DO's, and one to get $6 off a total of $18 for PA stuff and DO's. 

    If you've already done that, get the Head Morphs and the Body Morphs for Genesis 8 female (which is free in your DAZ Studio). Genesis 8 Female base is hopeless without them. 

    Oh and welcome to the "I need that new shiny thing, but I'm tight on my budget so can't buy it...but I CAN eat baked beans for breakfast, lunch and dinner for the next two weeks, so I'll buy it anyway" club. :)

    pulkitluthrathegame said:

    Thanks a lot guys i'm getting v8...anything else i should get? i'm tight on budget so won't spend again for few months so i want all essential things now to make  good characters...any other morphs i would need?

     

    jakiblue...

    I resent your implication thayt I must eat only baked beans. I will have you know I have over 40 ways to make raman noodles for 43 meals a day too. :)

    noodles are empty calories 

    baked beans have fiber and lower your cholesterol are heart healthy heart and they have the added bonus of much fart power!!!

    Now that you mention it, I'm actually surprised no one has thought of adding baked beans to the options of dirt, wounds and wet body layers....

    Yay!  it's Ann Margaret in "Tommy" time! 

  • fastbike1fastbike1 Posts: 4,081

    Wasn't true in my case. There's also an additional discount besides the free Pro bundles.

    boisselazon said:

    Vic 8 discount is SUPER BAD!! How can marketing team though about it? Free Vic 5 6 &7???  WTF, those who can/want/do buy Vic 8 already HAVE vic 5 6 & 7 !!! ALL of THEM.

     

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,408
    boisselazon said:

    I don't know for you but for me HAIRS are zillons generations behind! As good as V8 looks in several promos, hairs seem to having no improvments for ages. 

    100% agree.  A lot of clothes still look like they're sculpted out of putty rather than cloth as well.  I'd have much rather seen new hair and cloth systems than yet another new figure series...

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,408
    Zev0 said:

    Soon I hope. It is in testing. Was supposed to make launch window but we missed it by a few days submitting late:( Oh and the new Pose Converter is future proof, meaning you can use all Genesis 8 poses on Genesis3 as well. We reversed engeneered the scripts so essentially its a two in one product:)

    Really good to hear this!  PoseBuilder has become a major part of my process.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,784
    edited June 2017

    Well I can't say that I have a bad memory but I can say what I do remember or don't I have no control over and I do remember I have bought the Girl 7 Pro Bundle and the Guy 7 Pro Bundle and did not have any sort of orange banner discount for having bought Genesis 3 Pro Bundles.

    Anyway, as I will be buying the Girl 8 and Guy 8 Pro Bundles when they come out, presuming those products are continued, I didn't buy the Victoria 8 Pro Bundle or even Victoria 8. I did buy the Genesis 8 Female Head Morphs, Genesis 8 Female Body Morphs, and Genesis 8 Female Expressions as 'required' for doing any take on an orginal G8 character.

    I'll eventually get Victoria and many other G8 realistic characters I suppose or maybe the backward compatibility will get me to buy the older versions with the bundles I like better. That's mostly done to the included hair and clothing in the bundles and actually very little to do with the 'look' of the included model.

    I can't say I'm surprised that no hair, cloth, muscle, or fat dynamics was included yet in DAZ Studio and Genesis technology but I am happy the Genesis 8 seems to have included every technical improvement they could muster short of including dynamics. I am really happy with Genesis 8. From the improved iRay shaders to the eye lashes to the improved muscle and joint flexing to the improved expressions to the improved HD and backward compatibility and included clones. I remember very well having to buy seperate and not cheap products to do alot of what should have been base functionality in the past that is now included in the free Genesis 8 Female Essentials.

    And I hope these Power Pose Templates will make posing easier.

    As far as Victoria 8 I like her look. She does remind me a bit of Barbara Streisand though, not that that swayed me one way or the other.

    For me Genesis 8 was the easiest buying decision yet of all the past 3D models (even though I seem to be missing the orange loyal customer discount banner crying).

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  • escrandallescrandall Posts: 505

    I'll wait and see what develops.  I have way to much invested in G3 at this point.  I was hoping for more realistic hair..  maybe soemthing dynamic.  And certainly dynamic clothes.  It'll take some convincing that this is a serious improvement over G3 for me to take the leap.  I'd love to hear what some of the best vendors think at this point - who's waiting and who's really excited?

     

     

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,744

    This is only day one of release. I'm sure there is going to be more over the next week, so you may find more hair

  • Fixme12Fixme12 Posts: 589

    is it me, or does the Pro bundle look weak in the 8 release this time? There was more in previous releases 5,6,..., not?

    IS v8 based on Genesis3 or is this called Genesis 4 now?

    i can't see the much new things in 8, if it's only the powerpose extension. This was nothing what could not be released for G3.

    IF daz came up with a software improvement and a workable animation setup in studio, that would be make a buy in... immediatly!

     

  • RSand55RSand55 Posts: 168
    HorusRa said:
    Sad to see no discount on the pro,....welcome to the "new daz" I guess. Have the cash but simply refuse to pay $66, probably will buy G8 but I think this year I will only buy the characters only, no more bundles. Things just getting too expensive and too many characters coming out of the woodwork. ETA: I guess there is a discount on the pro bundle but I dont see it mentioned. Pro goes down to $59 with the G8 female head and body morphs. The morphs also went down to $8.80 or so.

    "Pro goes down to $59 with the G8 female head and body morphs. The morphs also went down to $8.80 or so."

    Am I missing something here?

  • IsaacNewtonIsaacNewton Posts: 1,300
    edited June 2017
    Mendoman said:

    I have to say I'm not impressed. I first thought that they went back to unimesh model, since V8 is so masculin. If I was mean, I'd say she looks like a dude. I mean, remove makeup and bikinis, and give her a business suit and 5 o'clock shadow, and nobody can tell a difference.

     

    Also improvements are kinda scarse:

    - Better backward compatibility than ever: Uhmm, my G3F content is already 100% compatible with my G3F ladies.

    - New eyelash model: Well, G3F has had fibermesh eyebrows and eyelashes for quite some time now, so nothing new here

    - Even fewer polygons and extra bone removed from her feets. Huh? How that makes the model any better, if it has even less polygons? I thought that other Daz site was for the game content, but me as a still renderer want my models as detailed as possible. If they had given HD morph capability for everyone for G8, I might have been interested, but without that, this change is only a move backwards. What next? A G10 is a cube, and everything is made with HD morphs so you can't do any morphs yourself?

    - New skin: G3F can use those very same shaders, so nothing new here

    - Better bending for shoulders: I already have ultimate V7 bending morphs, that do exactly that, plus much more

    - Only thing that I find even remotely interesting, is that powerpose facial expression system...but I believe G3F will get similar in few months time. If not by DAZ, then by some other party. And well, let's be honest, it's already outdated. It should have been some camera tracking system, where camera follows your face, and change the model's expression accordingly.

     

    Maybe I missed something, but those were the main selling points that I got. I don't know, I suppose I'm kinda sad and glad at the same time. G3F was already so good, that I expected something like soft body physics or something, and when there's nothing new, it's disappointing. I was prepared to start my collection from scratch again, but since there's really nothing new, at least I can be glad that I save a lot of money. More than likely I will eventually move to new G8, but currently I really can't see any reason to.

    You make some very good points here, Mendoman. Reducing the number of polygons available for sculpting without making sculpting of subD figures possible is definitely a backwards step. It seems to me as though DAZ3d are determined to prevent the hobbyist user from being creative with the Genesis (8) mesh. You wrote "What next? A G10 is a cube, and everything is made with HD morphs so you can't do any morphs yourself?" It certainly looks like it is going that way. 

    If DAZ is not trying to limit morph makaing to PAs then they should provide a way to morph the subdivided figure in programs like Zbrush; I see no reason to support V8 until they do.

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  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,784

    Well here is a change that will make some people happy although I'm not sure the purpose of it. There is in Genesis 8 Starter Essentials - Figures - Genesis 8 Female Dev Load preset.

  • LlynaraLlynara Posts: 4,772
    edited June 2017

    Thanks, Redz and Mgesset, I'll go check those out. I'd love to get some of my favorite character morphs over. 

    Here's G8F with Ceridwen's skin and some morph dial spinning. Tried to get her close to Ceridwen's shape, but would like to bring her head morph over. This is a bit grainy, but like how it's turning out. Will keep working on this one. I think you can do a lot with just the G8 base and the morph packs. The expression here is "Concentration" from the expression pack.

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  • Mr PbodyMr Pbody Posts: 7

    I bought Victoria 8 with head, body, expressions. Not really impressed. I can't get morphs from gen3 to work on gen8 or perhaps they simply won't. Karen, Josie, Lilith and other body shapings don't transfer over. Materials do, but what's the point if shapes don't. Big disappointment here. You'd think you would be able to dial back shapings from gen3.

    A lot of the poses don't work properly or are slightly off. I could adjust them manually, but what's the point in purchasing poses then? Clothing works fine. Shoes from gen2 still have trouble, not sure about the compatibility claim there. 

    I purchased Karen7, Josie7, and Lilith7 in the past year, but would guess a version 8 of them will probably come out in the future. In the future I do hope DAZ give significant discounts on new models if you have an older version.

    It looks like a great deal now, but I would hold off purchasing until more gen8 specific content or updates are available. Spent about $70, but right now there's not much I can do with this model.

    Genesis 3 still looks great and plenty of content especially with wear-them-all.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,836
    Mr Pbody said:

    I bought Victoria 8 with head, body, expressions. Not really impressed. I can't get morphs from gen3 to work on gen8 or perhaps they simply won't. Karen, Josie, Lilith and other body shapings don't transfer over. Materials do, but what's the point if shapes don't. Big disappointment here. You'd think you would be able to dial back shapings from gen3.

    A lot of the poses don't work properly or are slightly off. I could adjust them manually, but what's the point in purchasing poses then? Clothing works fine. Shoes from gen2 still have trouble, not sure about the compatibility claim there. 

    I purchased Karen7, Josie7, and Lilith7 in the past year, but would guess a version 8 of them will probably come out in the future. In the future I do hope DAZ give significant discounts on new models if you have an older version.

    It looks like a great deal now, but I would hold off purchasing until more gen8 specific content or updates are available. Spent about $70, but right now there's not much I can do with this model.

    Genesis 3 still looks great and plenty of content especially with wear-them-all.

    No, morphs don't transfer without conversion. But texturtes using the Genesis 3 Female base UVs do, and clothing from all generations of Genesis do (subject to the limits of AutoFit) which is the basis for the sdtatement about being the most backward compatible.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,836
    Peter Wade said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Redz said:
    divamakeup said:

    The facial pose controls with V8 look Ah-may-zing! Argh, makes me want to get her. I'm so torn.

    They do, but when I open power pose the interface doean't look like the video. What am I doing wrong? 

    Make sure you are using 4.9.4.115, which is needed for Genesis 8 female anyway

    I updated to 4.9.4.115 yesterday but DIM gave me another update today. I've now got 4.9.4.117, I assumed this udate was for Genesis 8 or Vicky 8.

    Yes, 4.9.4.117

  • RedzRedz Posts: 1,459
    Llynara said:

    She looks very good, Redz! Do you have a link to that thread? Would love to try it. Thanks!

    She'd look better 

    Llynara said:

    Thanks, Redz and Mgesset, I'll go check those out. I'd love to get some of my favorite character morphs over. 

    Here's G8F with Ceridwen's skin and some morph dial spinning. Tried to get her close to Ceridwen's shape, but would like to bring her head morph over. This is a bit grainy, but like how it's turning out. Will keep working on this one. I think you can do a lot with just the G8 base and the morph packs. The expression here is "Concentration" from the expression pack.

    Looking great. The HD expressions are what makes all the difference IMO. It makes up somewhat for not being able to transfer HD morphs from G3F. 

    With genesis 3 I tended to avoid much expression because they just look too fake, but with the HD and subd cranked up, finally they look believable. 

    Others have said the eyes look flat/dead and I'm inclined to agree. I'm not sure the new geometry is an improvement. 

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