My Lease Is Nearly Up On The Complaint Thread

LeatherGryphon · September 2016

Chohole said:

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

OMG, all those bones. No, no...don't even put the thought out there.

Do the legs have to bend?

That would be a personal choice, but I'd say yes. :-)

Another topic -- does anyone know how to unstop a very well-clogged kitchen drain? I have poured 3 bottles of Drano down that thing. I am seriously mad at that sink.

Other than call-a-plumber trick or use-a-wire-snake trick no.

Thanks. :-) I better not try the wire snake. I have done something wrong somewhere already.

Plumber called. Sigh. I hate to be outdone by a sink.

I treat mine with enzymes. Enzymes eat the grot. Once you get it clear, a weekly dose will keep it clear.

I treat mine with hormones, it either makes the goop roar with roid rage or give birth to something grotty.

McGyver · September 2016

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

OMG, all those bones. No, no...don't even put the thought out there.

Do the legs have to bend?

That would be a personal choice, but I'd say yes. :-)

Another topic -- does anyone know how to unstop a very well-clogged kitchen drain? I have poured 3 bottles of Drano down that thing. I am seriously mad at that sink.

I'm assuming you tried a plunger already... But... There are also "Power Plungers" that have a bulbous accordion design... Most are for toilets, but in Illinois and Nebraska, I've seen small ones that could fit a sink ( maybe in Fl...I've never seen them in NY, NJ or Conn) The bulb, gives a blast of water or air when you push down, and adds more force than a regular plunger...

Depending on the type of drain opening, you might be able to get a "Snake" in there (also known as a router)... Most modern drains have a strainer built into the upper part of the tailpiece... It's mostly a simple stamped metal cross shape... But depending on the width of the bars it can make things difficult. A "Snake" is a long flexible, spring-like wire with a crank on one end and a conical coil on the out end... You feed the head into the drain until it hits an obstruction and then you start turning the crank... The head should begin to "drill into" the obstruction and dislodge it... Theoretically.

I've found them to range between helpful and utterly useless... It really depends on the manufacturer-(there are practically no name brands and most are flimsy foreign made junk, so quality is hit and miss), the simplicity of the pipe setup-(too many joints, tees or elbows makes it snag or hang up too much) , the depth of the blockage-(too deep the wire flexes too much), and finally, what is actually clogging the drain... Hair or grease is okay... Sand, grit, a toothbrush, Popsicle stick or bottle cap... It won't budge those.

Then there is the problems with really old pipes... Especially copper or brass... If they are corroded enough, it could punch through... No fun there.

PVC (the white or greenish plastic) pipes are ideal for this device.

I have a snake designed for a drill, theoretically it would be great with my cordless, but all it does is make me want to use it to choke the guy who made it, but if you have a drill, especially a rechargeable cordless, that could be a good option if you don't have a lot of arm strength or like cranking.

There is also the option of canned air... Some places sell special drain blasting aerosol cans... It has a seal on the top that you press into the drain and the air forces out the obstruction... Downside is you need strength to hold it in, and if you slip, there is muck everywhere... Also weak or hand tightened pipes could blow out... Not fun.

There are also drain blasters that attach to a garden hose and do the same... There are a few designs, and some work better then others (how well they seal at the drain makes a huge difference)... They work pretty good, but can be messy if you slip or misdirect the stream... Also, if the clog is stubborn, they will fill the sink... And in some cases blowout and corroded pipe or weak joint.

If you happen to have a string trimmer... But really only a heavy duty one, take a length of string ( it should be at least 3/8" diam. type with star shaped cross section) it's usually the dark red or dark blue ones... You can chuck that in cordless drill and feed it in till you hit something... I tried that once at a friend's house... They had like no tools except for the plastic string trimmer string (came with the house) and a 300 year old cordless drill that at maximum charge could drill for about 30 seconds (craptastical 90s NiCad tech at its best).. I chewed up the end a bit with my multi-tool and snagged it on a hairball and managed to pull it out... It could work...

Thats all I can think of at the moment aside from the way Moe, Larry an Curly did it... But dynamite can cause other problems, so I don't recommend it.

Its sure fun... But I don't recommend it.

Not a lot.

EDITED TO ADD... After you get this unclogged...If you have metal drain pipes, and a lot of older homes do, and if you get clogs in that drain often, you might want to consider trying those enzymatic cleaners... You periodically dump it down the drain as per instructions and the bacteria feast on drain gunk and keep the funk from collecting... It beats harsh chemicals, because Drain-o and the like are corrosive and thin the pipes, eventually rotting them out... Over time... Occasionally use is okay and fine if the pipes are PVC.

Sorry if any of this is redundant or already known.

Good luck.

Xyetzt · September 2016

I want one song from an album from amazon, but I cannot figure out which song it is because the preview is not working.

kyoto kid · September 2016

...actually for good traditional saffron rice you want the threads not the powder variety. That is even more expensive like 18$ or more for about 0.1 oz. At that price, I could go to a Thai or Indian restaurant and get a take out box for much less.

Mistara · September 2016

sassafrass not the same thing.

Mistara · September 2016

McGyver said:

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

OMG, all those bones. No, no...don't even put the thought out there.

Do the legs have to bend?

That would be a personal choice, but I'd say yes. :-)

Another topic -- does anyone know how to unstop a very well-clogged kitchen drain? I have poured 3 bottles of Drano down that thing. I am seriously mad at that sink.

I'm assuming you tried a plunger already... But... There are also "Power Plungers" that have a bulbous accordion design... Most are for toilets, but in Illinois and Nebraska, I've seen small ones that could fit a sink ( maybe in Fl...I've never seen them in NY, NJ or Conn) The bulb, gives a blast of water or air when you push down, and adds more force than a regular plunger...

Depending on the type of drain opening, you might be able to get a "Snake" in there (also known as a router)... Most modern drains have a strainer built into the upper part of the tailpiece... It's mostly a simple stamped metal cross shape... But depending on the width of the bars it can make things difficult. A "Snake" is a long flexible, spring-like wire with a crank on one end and a conical coil on the out end... You feed the head into the drain until it hits an obstruction and then you start turning the crank... The head should begin to "drill into" the obstruction and dislodge it... Theoretically.

I've found them to range between helpful and utterly useless... It really depends on the manufacturer-(there are practically no name brands and most are flimsy foreign made junk, so quality is hit and miss), the simplicity of the pipe setup-(too many joints, tees or elbows makes it snag or hang up too much) , the depth of the blockage-(too deep the wire flexes too much), and finally, what is actually clogging the drain... Hair or grease is okay... Sand, grit, a toothbrush, Popsicle stick or bottle cap... It won't budge those.

Then there is the problems with really old pipes... Especially copper or brass... If they are corroded enough, it could punch through... No fun there.

PVC (the white or greenish plastic) pipes are ideal for this device.

I have a snake designed for a drill, theoretically it would be great with my cordless, but all it does is make me want to use it to choke the guy who made it, but if you have a drill, especially a rechargeable cordless, that could be a good option if you don't have a lot of arm strength or like cranking.

There is also the option of canned air... Some places sell special drain blasting aerosol cans... It has a seal on the top that you press into the drain and the air forces out the obstruction... Downside is you need strength to hold it in, and if you slip, there is muck everywhere... Also weak or hand tightened pipes could blow out... Not fun.

There are also drain blasters that attach to a garden hose and do the same... There are a few designs, and some work better then others (how well they seal at the drain makes a huge difference)... They work pretty good, but can be messy if you slip or misdirect the stream... Also, if the clog is stubborn, they will fill the sink... And in some cases blowout and corroded pipe or weak joint.

If you happen to have a string trimmer... But really only a heavy duty one, take a length of string ( it should be at least 3/8" diam. type with star shaped cross section) it's usually the dark red or dark blue ones... You can chuck that in cordless drill and feed it in till you hit something... I tried that once at a friend's house... They had like no tools except for the plastic string trimmer string (came with the house) and a 300 year old cordless drill that at maximum charge could drill for about 30 seconds (craptastical 90s NiCad tech at its best).. I chewed up the end a bit with my multi-tool and snagged it on a hairball and managed to pull it out... It could work...

Thats all I can think of at the moment aside from the way Moe, Larry an Curly did it... But dynamite can cause other problems, so I don't recommend it.

Its sure fun... But I don't recommend it.

Not a lot.

EDITED TO ADD... After you get this unclogged...If you have metal drain pipes, and a lot of older homes do, and if you get clogs in that drain often, you might want to consider trying those enzymatic cleaners... You periodically dump it down the drain as per instructions and the bacteria feast on drain gunk and keep the funk from collecting... It beats harsh chemicals, because Drain-o and the like are corrosive and thin the pipes, eventually rotting them out... Over time... Occasionally use is okay and fine if the pipes are PVC.

Sorry if any of this is redundant or already known.

Good luck.

enzyme method sounds healthiest, except for the risk they'll evolve and mutate and decide they want to rule the planet

ps1borg · September 2016

Morning. Been a little flooding here wow, gots to take care with those rain dances :0

Mistara · September 2016

hot n muggy here. the kind of humid squitoes feast

Mistara · September 2016

,,

hiccuh, heek

what the? some of my books have dialog in single ' some use double "

kyoto kid · September 2016

McGyver said:

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

OMG, all those bones. No, no...don't even put the thought out there.

Do the legs have to bend?

That would be a personal choice, but I'd say yes. :-)

Another topic -- does anyone know how to unstop a very well-clogged kitchen drain? I have poured 3 bottles of Drano down that thing. I am seriously mad at that sink.

I'm assuming you tried a plunger already... But... There are also "Power Plungers" that have a bulbous accordion design... Most are for toilets, but in Illinois and Nebraska, I've seen small ones that could fit a sink ( maybe in Fl...I've never seen them in NY, NJ or Conn) The bulb, gives a blast of water or air when you push down, and adds more force than a regular plunger...

Depending on the type of drain opening, you might be able to get a "Snake" in there (also known as a router)... Most modern drains have a strainer built into the upper part of the tailpiece... It's mostly a simple stamped metal cross shape... But depending on the width of the bars it can make things difficult. A "Snake" is a long flexible, spring-like wire with a crank on one end and a conical coil on the out end... You feed the head into the drain until it hits an obstruction and then you start turning the crank... The head should begin to "drill into" the obstruction and dislodge it... Theoretically.

I've found them to range between helpful and utterly useless... It really depends on the manufacturer-(there are practically no name brands and most are flimsy foreign made junk, so quality is hit and miss), the simplicity of the pipe setup-(too many joints, tees or elbows makes it snag or hang up too much) , the depth of the blockage-(too deep the wire flexes too much), and finally, what is actually clogging the drain... Hair or grease is okay... Sand, grit, a toothbrush, Popsicle stick or bottle cap... It won't budge those.

Then there is the problems with really old pipes... Especially copper or brass... If they are corroded enough, it could punch through... No fun there.

PVC (the white or greenish plastic) pipes are ideal for this device.

I have a snake designed for a drill, theoretically it would be great with my cordless, but all it does is make me want to use it to choke the guy who made it, but if you have a drill, especially a rechargeable cordless, that could be a good option if you don't have a lot of arm strength or like cranking.

There is also the option of canned air... Some places sell special drain blasting aerosol cans... It has a seal on the top that you press into the drain and the air forces out the obstruction... Downside is you need strength to hold it in, and if you slip, there is muck everywhere... Also weak or hand tightened pipes could blow out... Not fun.

There are also drain blasters that attach to a garden hose and do the same... There are a few designs, and some work better then others (how well they seal at the drain makes a huge difference)... They work pretty good, but can be messy if you slip or misdirect the stream... Also, if the clog is stubborn, they will fill the sink... And in some cases blowout and corroded pipe or weak joint.

If you happen to have a string trimmer... But really only a heavy duty one, take a length of string ( it should be at least 3/8" diam. type with star shaped cross section) it's usually the dark red or dark blue ones... You can chuck that in cordless drill and feed it in till you hit something... I tried that once at a friend's house... They had like no tools except for the plastic string trimmer string (came with the house) and a 300 year old cordless drill that at maximum charge could drill for about 30 seconds (craptastical 90s NiCad tech at its best).. I chewed up the end a bit with my multi-tool and snagged it on a hairball and managed to pull it out... It could work...

Thats all I can think of at the moment aside from the way Moe, Larry an Curly did it... But dynamite can cause other problems, so I don't recommend it.

Its sure fun... But I don't recommend it.

Not a lot.

EDITED TO ADD... After you get this unclogged...If you have metal drain pipes, and a lot of older homes do, and if you get clogs in that drain often, you might want to consider trying those enzymatic cleaners... You periodically dump it down the drain as per instructions and the bacteria feast on drain gunk and keep the funk from collecting... It beats harsh chemicals, because Drain-o and the like are corrosive and thin the pipes, eventually rotting them out... Over time... Occasionally use is okay and fine if the pipes are PVC.

Sorry if any of this is redundant or already known.

Good luck.

...of course if all else fails, there's always explosives.

Can't vouch for what they would do to the rest of the kitchen, but they would get rid of the clog.

kyoto kid · September 2016

...while I was at the pub this evening I heard a young girl walking with her family exclaim, "Dad, look out for that tree" (her father who was distracted nearly walked right into a tree along the sidewalk).

After that I couldn't help but get this theme out of my head for over an hour.

Petercat · September 2016

kyoto kid said:

Petercat said:

kyoto kid said:

Stryder87 said:

LeatherGryphon said:
... so much of what is called "music" today (actually in all ages) is just track homes, trailer parks, and project housing.

Wow... that is such an appropriate description. Between so much of it being computer-generated and the vocals all being auto-tuned... there's hardly any 'real' music (mainstream) left from the industrialized nations.

...ugh I loathe that digital tuning of vocals, it sounds so bloody fake. I miss the days when real instruments like horns or strings were used in songs and singers actually needed a real voice. Now it's all digitised overprocessed synth rubbish. Crikey Rick Wakeman and Keith Emerson even played real pipe organs on a couple tracks and it was cool seeing Elton John sitting at a 9' Stienway on stage.

Or Dave Brubeck from about 20' away at a small outdoor concert.

In my opinion, modern music lost it's spirit with the advent of the electric bass. Just something about watching a musician crouched over a standup base, cool-ly covering the back end of the music, cannot be replaced by a monkey with an electric prancing around like a guitarist who cannot afford two more strings.

...actually saw the Brubeck quintet many many years ago at the Milwaukee Summerfest on the Jazz Stage. Cool time.

Saw this group from Chicago there as well who named themselves after their city's transit system. Loved the big fat horn sound they had. At the time I hoped they would make it big.

Yeah, their brass hooked my soul the first time I heard them. That, and their minimalist album titles.

Petercat · September 2016

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

OMG, all those bones. No, no...don't even put the thought out there.

Do the legs have to bend?

That would be a personal choice, but I'd say yes. :-)

Another topic -- does anyone know how to unstop a very well-clogged kitchen drain? I have poured 3 bottles of Drano down that thing. I am seriously mad at that sink.

Removed. Redundant.

TangoAlpha · September 2016

kyoto kid said:

McGyver said:

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

OMG, all those bones. No, no...don't even put the thought out there.

Do the legs have to bend?

That would be a personal choice, but I'd say yes. :-)

Another topic -- does anyone know how to unstop a very well-clogged kitchen drain? I have poured 3 bottles of Drano down that thing. I am seriously mad at that sink.

I'm assuming you tried a plunger already... But... There are also "Power Plungers" that have a bulbous accordion design... Most are for toilets, but in Illinois and Nebraska, I've seen small ones that could fit a sink ( maybe in Fl...I've never seen them in NY, NJ or Conn) The bulb, gives a blast of water or air when you push down, and adds more force than a regular plunger...

Depending on the type of drain opening, you might be able to get a "Snake" in there (also known as a router)... Most modern drains have a strainer built into the upper part of the tailpiece... It's mostly a simple stamped metal cross shape... But depending on the width of the bars it can make things difficult. A "Snake" is a long flexible, spring-like wire with a crank on one end and a conical coil on the out end... You feed the head into the drain until it hits an obstruction and then you start turning the crank... The head should begin to "drill into" the obstruction and dislodge it... Theoretically.

I've found them to range between helpful and utterly useless... It really depends on the manufacturer-(there are practically no name brands and most are flimsy foreign made junk, so quality is hit and miss), the simplicity of the pipe setup-(too many joints, tees or elbows makes it snag or hang up too much) , the depth of the blockage-(too deep the wire flexes too much), and finally, what is actually clogging the drain... Hair or grease is okay... Sand, grit, a toothbrush, Popsicle stick or bottle cap... It won't budge those.

Then there is the problems with really old pipes... Especially copper or brass... If they are corroded enough, it could punch through... No fun there.

PVC (the white or greenish plastic) pipes are ideal for this device.

I have a snake designed for a drill, theoretically it would be great with my cordless, but all it does is make me want to use it to choke the guy who made it, but if you have a drill, especially a rechargeable cordless, that could be a good option if you don't have a lot of arm strength or like cranking.

There is also the option of canned air... Some places sell special drain blasting aerosol cans... It has a seal on the top that you press into the drain and the air forces out the obstruction... Downside is you need strength to hold it in, and if you slip, there is muck everywhere... Also weak or hand tightened pipes could blow out... Not fun.

There are also drain blasters that attach to a garden hose and do the same... There are a few designs, and some work better then others (how well they seal at the drain makes a huge difference)... They work pretty good, but can be messy if you slip or misdirect the stream... Also, if the clog is stubborn, they will fill the sink... And in some cases blowout and corroded pipe or weak joint.

If you happen to have a string trimmer... But really only a heavy duty one, take a length of string ( it should be at least 3/8" diam. type with star shaped cross section) it's usually the dark red or dark blue ones... You can chuck that in cordless drill and feed it in till you hit something... I tried that once at a friend's house... They had like no tools except for the plastic string trimmer string (came with the house) and a 300 year old cordless drill that at maximum charge could drill for about 30 seconds (craptastical 90s NiCad tech at its best).. I chewed up the end a bit with my multi-tool and snagged it on a hairball and managed to pull it out... It could work...

Thats all I can think of at the moment aside from the way Moe, Larry an Curly did it... But dynamite can cause other problems, so I don't recommend it.

Its sure fun... But I don't recommend it.

Not a lot.

EDITED TO ADD... After you get this unclogged...If you have metal drain pipes, and a lot of older homes do, and if you get clogs in that drain often, you might want to consider trying those enzymatic cleaners... You periodically dump it down the drain as per instructions and the bacteria feast on drain gunk and keep the funk from collecting... It beats harsh chemicals, because Drain-o and the like are corrosive and thin the pipes, eventually rotting them out... Over time... Occasionally use is okay and fine if the pipes are PVC.

Sorry if any of this is redundant or already known.

Good luck.

...of course if all else fails, there's always explosives.

Can't vouch for what they would do to the rest of the kitchen, but they would get rid of the clog.

I say we nuke the whole site from orbit - it's the only way to be sure . . .

Chohole · September 2016

MistyMist said:

McGyver said:

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

OMG, all those bones. No, no...don't even put the thought out there.

Do the legs have to bend?

That would be a personal choice, but I'd say yes. :-)

Another topic -- does anyone know how to unstop a very well-clogged kitchen drain? I have poured 3 bottles of Drano down that thing. I am seriously mad at that sink.

I'm assuming you tried a plunger already... But... There are also "Power Plungers" that have a bulbous accordion design... Most are for toilets, but in Illinois and Nebraska, I've seen small ones that could fit a sink ( maybe in Fl...I've never seen them in NY, NJ or Conn) The bulb, gives a blast of water or air when you push down, and adds more force than a regular plunger...

Depending on the type of drain opening, you might be able to get a "Snake" in there (also known as a router)... Most modern drains have a strainer built into the upper part of the tailpiece... It's mostly a simple stamped metal cross shape... But depending on the width of the bars it can make things difficult. A "Snake" is a long flexible, spring-like wire with a crank on one end and a conical coil on the out end... You feed the head into the drain until it hits an obstruction and then you start turning the crank... The head should begin to "drill into" the obstruction and dislodge it... Theoretically.

I've found them to range between helpful and utterly useless... It really depends on the manufacturer-(there are practically no name brands and most are flimsy foreign made junk, so quality is hit and miss), the simplicity of the pipe setup-(too many joints, tees or elbows makes it snag or hang up too much) , the depth of the blockage-(too deep the wire flexes too much), and finally, what is actually clogging the drain... Hair or grease is okay... Sand, grit, a toothbrush, Popsicle stick or bottle cap... It won't budge those.

Then there is the problems with really old pipes... Especially copper or brass... If they are corroded enough, it could punch through... No fun there.

PVC (the white or greenish plastic) pipes are ideal for this device.

I have a snake designed for a drill, theoretically it would be great with my cordless, but all it does is make me want to use it to choke the guy who made it, but if you have a drill, especially a rechargeable cordless, that could be a good option if you don't have a lot of arm strength or like cranking.

There is also the option of canned air... Some places sell special drain blasting aerosol cans... It has a seal on the top that you press into the drain and the air forces out the obstruction... Downside is you need strength to hold it in, and if you slip, there is muck everywhere... Also weak or hand tightened pipes could blow out... Not fun.

There are also drain blasters that attach to a garden hose and do the same... There are a few designs, and some work better then others (how well they seal at the drain makes a huge difference)... They work pretty good, but can be messy if you slip or misdirect the stream... Also, if the clog is stubborn, they will fill the sink... And in some cases blowout and corroded pipe or weak joint.

If you happen to have a string trimmer... But really only a heavy duty one, take a length of string ( it should be at least 3/8" diam. type with star shaped cross section) it's usually the dark red or dark blue ones... You can chuck that in cordless drill and feed it in till you hit something... I tried that once at a friend's house... They had like no tools except for the plastic string trimmer string (came with the house) and a 300 year old cordless drill that at maximum charge could drill for about 30 seconds (craptastical 90s NiCad tech at its best).. I chewed up the end a bit with my multi-tool and snagged it on a hairball and managed to pull it out... It could work...

Thats all I can think of at the moment aside from the way Moe, Larry an Curly did it... But dynamite can cause other problems, so I don't recommend it.

Its sure fun... But I don't recommend it.

Not a lot.

EDITED TO ADD... After you get this unclogged...If you have metal drain pipes, and a lot of older homes do, and if you get clogs in that drain often, you might want to consider trying those enzymatic cleaners... You periodically dump it down the drain as per instructions and the bacteria feast on drain gunk and keep the funk from collecting... It beats harsh chemicals, because Drain-o and the like are corrosive and thin the pipes, eventually rotting them out... Over time... Occasionally use is okay and fine if the pipes are PVC.

Sorry if any of this is redundant or already known.

Good luck.

enzyme method sounds healthiest, except for the risk they'll evolve and mutate and decide they want to rule the planet

Aye. And for Jan19 This is the one I use, you can get it over there https://www.amazon.com/Earth-Friendly-Products-Enzymes-32-Ounces/dp/B001EPR9AE

First used the 24 hour treatment when we first moved in, and have used the maintainance routine ever since (sort of, I don't always count the days properly)

ps1borg · September 2016

MistyMist said:

,,

hiccuh, heek

what the? some of my books have dialog in single ' some use double "

soggy soggy night, black as pitch and way to cold for Spring :(

hey double quote score *win*

McGyver · September 2016

kyoto kid said:

McGyver said:

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

OMG, all those bones. No, no...don't even put the thought out there.

Do the legs have to bend?

That would be a personal choice, but I'd say yes. :-)

Another topic -- does anyone know how to unstop a very well-clogged kitchen drain? I have poured 3 bottles of Drano down that thing. I am seriously mad at that sink.

I'm assuming you tried a plunger already... But... There are also "Power Plungers" that have a bulbous accordion design... Most are for toilets, but in Illinois and Nebraska, I've seen small ones that could fit a sink ( maybe in Fl...I've never seen them in NY, NJ or Conn) The bulb, gives a blast of water or air when you push down, and adds more force than a regular plunger...

Depending on the type of drain opening, you might be able to get a "Snake" in there (also known as a router)... Most modern drains have a strainer built into the upper part of the tailpiece... It's mostly a simple stamped metal cross shape... But depending on the width of the bars it can make things difficult. A "Snake" is a long flexible, spring-like wire with a crank on one end and a conical coil on the out end... You feed the head into the drain until it hits an obstruction and then you start turning the crank... The head should begin to "drill into" the obstruction and dislodge it... Theoretically.

I've found them to range between helpful and utterly useless... It really depends on the manufacturer-(there are practically no name brands and most are flimsy foreign made junk, so quality is hit and miss), the simplicity of the pipe setup-(too many joints, tees or elbows makes it snag or hang up too much) , the depth of the blockage-(too deep the wire flexes too much), and finally, what is actually clogging the drain... Hair or grease is okay... Sand, grit, a toothbrush, Popsicle stick or bottle cap... It won't budge those.

Then there is the problems with really old pipes... Especially copper or brass... If they are corroded enough, it could punch through... No fun there.

PVC (the white or greenish plastic) pipes are ideal for this device.

I have a snake designed for a drill, theoretically it would be great with my cordless, but all it does is make me want to use it to choke the guy who made it, but if you have a drill, especially a rechargeable cordless, that could be a good option if you don't have a lot of arm strength or like cranking.

There is also the option of canned air... Some places sell special drain blasting aerosol cans... It has a seal on the top that you press into the drain and the air forces out the obstruction... Downside is you need strength to hold it in, and if you slip, there is muck everywhere... Also weak or hand tightened pipes could blow out... Not fun.

There are also drain blasters that attach to a garden hose and do the same... There are a few designs, and some work better then others (how well they seal at the drain makes a huge difference)... They work pretty good, but can be messy if you slip or misdirect the stream... Also, if the clog is stubborn, they will fill the sink... And in some cases blowout and corroded pipe or weak joint.

If you happen to have a string trimmer... But really only a heavy duty one, take a length of string ( it should be at least 3/8" diam. type with star shaped cross section) it's usually the dark red or dark blue ones... You can chuck that in cordless drill and feed it in till you hit something... I tried that once at a friend's house... They had like no tools except for the plastic string trimmer string (came with the house) and a 300 year old cordless drill that at maximum charge could drill for about 30 seconds (craptastical 90s NiCad tech at its best).. I chewed up the end a bit with my multi-tool and snagged it on a hairball and managed to pull it out... It could work...

Thats all I can think of at the moment aside from the way Moe, Larry an Curly did it... But dynamite can cause other problems, so I don't recommend it.

Its sure fun... But I don't recommend it.

Not a lot.

EDITED TO ADD... After you get this unclogged...If you have metal drain pipes, and a lot of older homes do, and if you get clogs in that drain often, you might want to consider trying those enzymatic cleaners... You periodically dump it down the drain as per instructions and the bacteria feast on drain gunk and keep the funk from collecting... It beats harsh chemicals, because Drain-o and the like are corrosive and thin the pipes, eventually rotting them out... Over time... Occasionally use is okay and fine if the pipes are PVC.

Sorry if any of this is redundant or already known.

Good luck.

...of course if all else fails, there's always explosives.

That's my family motto... Well, on my mom's side of the family... But I've always felt it's a great one...

Mistara · September 2016

the hott is back RealFeel® 37°/98° muy calor

is cosmo weather, but too hott to hike to my local bar

Mistara · September 2016

the internet wants scifi/fantasy landscapes

http://www.accuweather.com/en/features/trend/our_interstellar_neighbors_5_p/59955241

TangoAlpha · September 2016

MistyMist said:

,,

hiccuh, heek

what the? some of my books have dialog in single ' some use double "

Difference between English English and American English probably. American goes, "Hello, I see you use 'quotes' for your dialog, how's that working out?" while English goes, 'Hello, I see you're using "quotes" for your dialogue, how's that working out?' - opposite order.

Mistara · September 2016

TangoAlpha said:

MistyMist said:

,,

hiccuh, heek

what the? some of my books have dialog in single ' some use double "

Difference between English English and American English probably. American goes, "Hello, I see you use 'quotes' for your dialog, how's that working out?" while English goes, 'Hello, I see you're using "quotes" for your dialogue, how's that working out?' - opposite order.

left side of the road thing?

what order Australia uses? lol

Mistara · September 2016

too hot to cook for lunch,

just ice cream. eat light

Richard Haseltine · September 2016

MistyMist said:

TangoAlpha said:

MistyMist said:

,,

hiccuh, heek

what the? some of my books have dialog in single ' some use double "

Difference between English English and American English probably. American goes, "Hello, I see you use 'quotes' for your dialog, how's that working out?" while English goes, 'Hello, I see you're using "quotes" for your dialogue, how's that working out?' - opposite order.

left side of the road thing?

what order Australia uses? lol

Hmm, I use " for quotes and, on the rare occasions that I need to, ' within the quote.

TJohn · September 2016

Richard Haseltine said:

MistyMist said:

TangoAlpha said:

MistyMist said:

,,

hiccuh, heek

what the? some of my books have dialog in single ' some use double "

Difference between English English and American English probably. American goes, "Hello, I see you use 'quotes' for your dialog, how's that working out?" while English goes, 'Hello, I see you're using "quotes" for your dialogue, how's that working out?' - opposite order.

left side of the road thing?

what order Australia uses? lol

Hmm, I use " for quotes and, on the rare occasions that I need to, ' within the quote.

That was the standard I learned.

Tjohn said, "My brother always told me 'life isn't fair' and have always found that to be true."

LeatherGryphon · September 2016

I think we should all speak FORTRAN and put everything in nested parenthesis.

or speak "C" and put everything in nested braces "{ }" and write our documents from the middle outward toward both ends.

Xyetzt · September 2016

Tjohn said:

Richard Haseltine said:

MistyMist said:

TangoAlpha said:

MistyMist said:

,,

hiccuh, heek

what the? some of my books have dialog in single ' some use double "

Difference between English English and American English probably. American goes, "Hello, I see you use 'quotes' for your dialog, how's that working out?" while English goes, 'Hello, I see you're using "quotes" for your dialogue, how's that working out?' - opposite order.

left side of the road thing?

what order Australia uses? lol

Hmm, I use " for quotes and, on the rare occasions that I need to, ' within the quote.

That was the standard I learned.

Tjohn said, "My brother always told me 'life isn't fair' and have always found that to be true."

'Life is not fair,' Edward said with a flair. 'Everybody hates me and nobody likes me so I want some worms!'

Jan19 · September 2016

Thank you very much, folks, for the interesting and extremely creative ways to dissolve a clog in the sink.

I believe I'll rule out the explosives, the power tools, and the plunger though.

Thanks, Cho, for the link to the enzymes. :-)

Xyetzt · September 2016

I am so tired I am trying to open itunes by using the poser 11 short cut.

Mistara · September 2016

o'Deed on pumpkin pie and ice coffee too much of a good thing

kyoto kid · September 2016

McGyver said:

kyoto kid said:

McGyver said:

Jan19 said:

Kulay Wolf said:

Jan19 said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

OMG, all those bones. No, no...don't even put the thought out there.

Do the legs have to bend?

That would be a personal choice, but I'd say yes. :-)

Another topic -- does anyone know how to unstop a very well-clogged kitchen drain? I have poured 3 bottles of Drano down that thing. I am seriously mad at that sink.

I'm assuming you tried a plunger already... But... There are also "Power Plungers" that have a bulbous accordion design... Most are for toilets, but in Illinois and Nebraska, I've seen small ones that could fit a sink ( maybe in Fl...I've never seen them in NY, NJ or Conn) The bulb, gives a blast of water or air when you push down, and adds more force than a regular plunger...

Depending on the type of drain opening, you might be able to get a "Snake" in there (also known as a router)... Most modern drains have a strainer built into the upper part of the tailpiece... It's mostly a simple stamped metal cross shape... But depending on the width of the bars it can make things difficult. A "Snake" is a long flexible, spring-like wire with a crank on one end and a conical coil on the out end... You feed the head into the drain until it hits an obstruction and then you start turning the crank... The head should begin to "drill into" the obstruction and dislodge it... Theoretically.

I've found them to range between helpful and utterly useless... It really depends on the manufacturer-(there are practically no name brands and most are flimsy foreign made junk, so quality is hit and miss), the simplicity of the pipe setup-(too many joints, tees or elbows makes it snag or hang up too much) , the depth of the blockage-(too deep the wire flexes too much), and finally, what is actually clogging the drain... Hair or grease is okay... Sand, grit, a toothbrush, Popsicle stick or bottle cap... It won't budge those.

Then there is the problems with really old pipes... Especially copper or brass... If they are corroded enough, it could punch through... No fun there.

PVC (the white or greenish plastic) pipes are ideal for this device.

I have a snake designed for a drill, theoretically it would be great with my cordless, but all it does is make me want to use it to choke the guy who made it, but if you have a drill, especially a rechargeable cordless, that could be a good option if you don't have a lot of arm strength or like cranking.

There is also the option of canned air... Some places sell special drain blasting aerosol cans... It has a seal on the top that you press into the drain and the air forces out the obstruction... Downside is you need strength to hold it in, and if you slip, there is muck everywhere... Also weak or hand tightened pipes could blow out... Not fun.

There are also drain blasters that attach to a garden hose and do the same... There are a few designs, and some work better then others (how well they seal at the drain makes a huge difference)... They work pretty good, but can be messy if you slip or misdirect the stream... Also, if the clog is stubborn, they will fill the sink... And in some cases blowout and corroded pipe or weak joint.

If you happen to have a string trimmer... But really only a heavy duty one, take a length of string ( it should be at least 3/8" diam. type with star shaped cross section) it's usually the dark red or dark blue ones... You can chuck that in cordless drill and feed it in till you hit something... I tried that once at a friend's house... They had like no tools except for the plastic string trimmer string (came with the house) and a 300 year old cordless drill that at maximum charge could drill for about 30 seconds (craptastical 90s NiCad tech at its best).. I chewed up the end a bit with my multi-tool and snagged it on a hairball and managed to pull it out... It could work...

Thats all I can think of at the moment aside from the way Moe, Larry an Curly did it... But dynamite can cause other problems, so I don't recommend it.

Its sure fun... But I don't recommend it.

Not a lot.

EDITED TO ADD... After you get this unclogged...If you have metal drain pipes, and a lot of older homes do, and if you get clogs in that drain often, you might want to consider trying those enzymatic cleaners... You periodically dump it down the drain as per instructions and the bacteria feast on drain gunk and keep the funk from collecting... It beats harsh chemicals, because Drain-o and the like are corrosive and thin the pipes, eventually rotting them out... Over time... Occasionally use is okay and fine if the pipes are PVC.

Sorry if any of this is redundant or already known.

Good luck.

...of course if all else fails, there's always explosives.

That's my family motto... Well, on my mom's side of the family... But I've always felt it's a great one...

...her family's surname isn't perchance Groznek is it?

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