My Lease Is Nearly Up On The Complaint Thread

Mistara · September 2016

Tjohn said:

MistyMist said:

Why do hot dogs come 10 to a pack while buns are 8?

So you can make corndogs out of the extra 2.

aint nuthin but a corndog, cryin all ...

Xyetzt · September 2016

What is an app that shows how much space is being taken up by what type of files?

Mistara · September 2016

night furyeeee

Xyetzt · September 2016

What type of music is Enya's work considered? I am trying to update the Metadata on my Amazon cloud music. It was all messed up so that I could not find anything it seemed. Also a few albums were divided amoung several "albums" so that was confusing.

TJohn · September 2016

DanaTA said:

Tjohn said:

DanaTA said:

kyoto kid said:

Petercat said:

kyoto kid said:

Stryder87 said:

LeatherGryphon said:
... so much of what is called "music" today (actually in all ages) is just track homes, trailer parks, and project housing.

Wow... that is such an appropriate description. Between so much of it being computer-generated and the vocals all being auto-tuned... there's hardly any 'real' music (mainstream) left from the industrialized nations.

...ugh I loathe that digital tuning of vocals, it sounds so bloody fake. I miss the days when real instruments like horns or strings were used in songs and singers actually needed a real voice. Now it's all digitised overprocessed synth rubbish. Crikey Rick Wakeman and Keith Emerson even played real pipe organs on a couple tracks and it was cool seeing Elton John sitting at a 9' Stienway on stage.

Or Dave Brubeck from about 20' away at a small outdoor concert.

In my opinion, modern music lost it's spirit with the advent of the electric bass. Just something about watching a musician crouched over a standup base, cool-ly covering the back end of the music, cannot be replaced by a monkey with an electric prancing around like a guitarist who cannot afford two more strings.

...actually saw the Brubeck quintet many many years ago at the Milwaukee Summerfest on the Jazz Stage. Cool time.

Saw this group from Chicago there as well who named themselves after their city's transit system. Loved the big fat horn sound they had. At the time I hoped they would make it big.

It seems that your hope was fullfilled!

I had learned their first four albums...on bass, and no. However, I don't care to be thought of as a monkey!

Dana

I used to play trumpet.

I tried it. Bought a beginner one cheap. got home and after a little while was playing, roughly, When the Saints Go Marching In. But it was a bit difficult because I have a partial denture...makes it hard to get it right...does weird things concerning the lip pressure on the mouthpiece. Still have the trumpet, though. Flute is not a problem. Just picked it up a month ago, after not playing for maybe 30 years...and started playing one of the recorder parts from the beginning of Stairway to Heaven. Not bad. I thought that I'd pass out because I'm not in good shape. But I didn't.

Dana

Next up: Jethro Tull!

TJohn · September 2016

Kulay Wolf said:

What type of music is Enya's work considered? I am trying to update the Metadata on my Amazon cloud music. It was all messed up so that I could not find anything it seemed. Also a few albums were divided amoung several "albums" so that was confusing.

From the Wiki: "Enya developed her distinct sound over the following four years with multi-tracked vocals and keyboards with elements of New age, Celtic, classical, church, and folk music."

DanaTA · September 2016

MistyMist said:

Why do hot dogs come 10 to a pack while buns are 8?

Because they know that some people will buy enough of each that they finally match...even if they can't possibly eat them all!

Dana

Jan19 · September 2016

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

DanaTA · September 2016

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

Well, there may be creativity in how you approach it, how it's implemented. But the desired end result has to be known. You're being paid to support a business, they don't want cute (unless they specify that they want cute) they want it to work and do what's expected, and to work fast, and to be intuitive for the end users.

Dana

LeatherGryphon · September 2016

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

No, there's plenty of creativity in writing code but usually clients don't want the risk involved. A programmer on his own projects is just as much an artist as any fool with paint and brush. But also code being commissioned is usually more objective than subjective. Thus the finished product must be defined before starting. Not that there couldn't be some creative means of getting to the end, but when a code writer unveils the finished product it damn well better be what the buyer wants. Pretty bells & whistles don't sell well.

And creativity in the art world sometimes backfires also. This is what happens when the artist is trusted too much: (hint it's supposed to be Lucille Ball but was quickly dubbed "ScaryLucy" by the residents of Jamestown N.Y.)

Note: you have to dig a bit to find the name of the artist. Must be interesting to be known for this work.

fixmypcmike · September 2016

Kulay Wolf said:

What is an app that shows how much space is being taken up by what type of files?

https://windirstat.info/

ps1borg · September 2016

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

Oh I dunno 'bout that, this is all MIDI and embedded C...and oh yes Java3D and C++...spaghetti (clicky)

Jan19 · September 2016

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

Well, there may be creativity in how you approach it, how it's implemented. But the desired end result has to be known. You're being paid to support a business, they don't want cute (unless they specify that they want cute) they want it to work and do what's expected, and to work fast, and to be intuitive for the end users.

Dana

All right. :-) I know very little about code. I think I made a Blackjack game for my husband once -- a random # thing to see if I could do it. Needless to say, he got bored with that, real quick like. He liked Texas Hold 'em anyway. Doggone if Iknow why. Poker is boring as all get out.

No cute. Got it.

Jan19 · September 2016

LeatherGryphon said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

No, there's plenty of creativity in writing code but usually clients don't want the risk involved. A programmer on his own projects is just as much an artist as any fool with paint and brush. But also code being commissioned is usually more objective than subjective. Thus the finished product must be defined before starting. Not that there couldn't be some creative means of getting to the end, but when a code writer unveils the finished product it damn well better be what the buyer wants. Pretty bells & whistles don't sell well.

And creativity in the art world sometimes backfires also. This is what happens when the artist is trusted too much: (hint it's supposed to be Lucille Ball but was quickly dubbed "ScaryLucy" by the residents of Jamestown N.Y.)

Note: you have to dig a bit to find the name of the artist. Must be interesting to be known for this work.

I wish someone would tell MS about "no bells and whistles." :-) Windows 10 is a pain, with all its add ons. Uses too much memory, too.

Like I said, you all know about code and I don't, so I'll rest my case. I don't think I have one anyway. I'm just arguing for the hell of it.

Jan19 · September 2016

ps1borg said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

Oh I dunno 'bout that, this is all MIDI and embedded C...and oh yes Java3D and C++...spaghetti (clicky)

Nice work, whoever did that. A little freaky, but very interesting.

ps1borg · September 2016

...

Jan19 said:

ps1borg said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

Oh I dunno 'bout that, this is all MIDI and embedded C...and oh yes Java3D and C++...spaghetti (clicky)

Nice work, whoever did that. A little freaky, but very interesting.

*coffeesplutter* Us or the robot ?

http://stelarc.org/?catID=20244

Petercat · September 2016

DanaTA said:

kyoto kid said:

Petercat said:

kyoto kid said:

Stryder87 said:

LeatherGryphon said:
... so much of what is called "music" today (actually in all ages) is just track homes, trailer parks, and project housing.

Wow... that is such an appropriate description. Between so much of it being computer-generated and the vocals all being auto-tuned... there's hardly any 'real' music (mainstream) left from the industrialized nations.

...ugh I loathe that digital tuning of vocals, it sounds so bloody fake. I miss the days when real instruments like horns or strings were used in songs and singers actually needed a real voice. Now it's all digitised overprocessed synth rubbish. Crikey Rick Wakeman and Keith Emerson even played real pipe organs on a couple tracks and it was cool seeing Elton John sitting at a 9' Stienway on stage.

Or Dave Brubeck from about 20' away at a small outdoor concert.

In my opinion, modern music lost it's spirit with the advent of the electric bass. Just something about watching a musician crouched over a standup base, cool-ly covering the back end of the music, cannot be replaced by a monkey with an electric prancing around like a guitarist who cannot afford two more strings.

...actually saw the Brubeck quintet many many years ago at the Milwaukee Summerfest on the Jazz Stage. Cool time.

Saw this group from Chicago there as well who named themselves after their city's transit system. Loved the big fat horn sound they had. At the time I hoped they would make it big.

It seems that your hope was fullfilled!

I had learned their first four albums...on bass, and no. However, I don't care to be thought of as a monkey!

Dana

Sorry you were offended. You won't see anything like this with an electric bass, and the sound isn't the same either: (52:30 or so)

Xyetzt · September 2016

Fixmypcmike said:

Kulay Wolf said:

What is an app that shows how much space is being taken up by what type of files?

https://windirstat.info/

Thanks!

Jan19 · September 2016

ps1borg said:

...

Jan19 said:

ps1borg said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

Oh I dunno 'bout that, this is all MIDI and embedded C...and oh yes Java3D and C++...spaghetti (clicky)

Nice work, whoever did that. A little freaky, but very interesting.

*coffeesplutter* Us or the robot ?

http://stelarc.org/?catID=20244

Either. Or. Both?

I was talking about the robot.

Please don't confuse me this early in the morning. :-)

TJohn · September 2016

LeatherGryphon said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

No, there's plenty of creativity in writing code but usually clients don't want the risk involved. A programmer on his own projects is just as much an artist as any fool with paint and brush. But also code being commissioned is usually more objective than subjective. Thus the finished product must be defined before starting. Not that there couldn't be some creative means of getting to the end, but when a code writer unveils the finished product it damn well better be what the buyer wants. Pretty bells & whistles don't sell well.

And creativity in the art world sometimes backfires also. This is what happens when the artist is trusted too much: (hint it's supposed to be Lucille Ball but was quickly dubbed "ScaryLucy" by the residents of Jamestown N.Y.)

Note: you have to dig a bit to find the name of the artist. Must be interesting to be known for this work.

Scary Lucy says, "Take your Vitameatavegemin™ or I keel you!"

TJohn · September 2016

ps1borg said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

Oh I dunno 'bout that, this is all MIDI and embedded C...and oh yes Java3D and C++...spaghetti (clicky)

Aieee! Kill it! Please kill it!

Stryder87 · September 2016

Oh Geometry Editor/.../Hide Selected Polygon(s) where have you been all my Daz life?!?

DanaTA · September 2016

LeatherGryphon said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

No, there's plenty of creativity in writing code but usually clients don't want the risk involved. A programmer on his own projects is just as much an artist as any fool with paint and brush. But also code being commissioned is usually more objective than subjective. Thus the finished product must be defined before starting. Not that there couldn't be some creative means of getting to the end, but when a code writer unveils the finished product it damn well better be what the buyer wants. Pretty bells & whistles don't sell well.

And creativity in the art world sometimes backfires also. This is what happens when the artist is trusted too much: (hint it's supposed to be Lucille Ball but was quickly dubbed "ScaryLucy" by the residents of Jamestown N.Y.)

Note: you have to dig a bit to find the name of the artist. Must be interesting to be known for this work.

Kind of what I said...except about Scary Lucy! Yikes!

Dana

Mistara · September 2016

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

Well, there may be creativity in how you approach it, how it's implemented. But the desired end result has to be known. You're being paid to support a business, they don't want cute (unless they specify that they want cute) they want it to work and do what's expected, and to work fast, and to be intuitive for the end users.

Dana

now i'se tempted to slip in a couple of kitten buttons lol

access forms haz a timer event tee hee could show tailfin of a plane scrolling across the form

kyoto kid · September 2016

Stryder87 said:

Oh Geometry Editor/.../Hide Selected Polygon(s) where have you been all my Daz life?!?

...a very useful tool that many times saves having to use a modelling programme to make minor changes.

TJohn · September 2016

Monday.

kyoto kid · September 2016

Tjohn said:

LeatherGryphon said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

No, there's plenty of creativity in writing code but usually clients don't want the risk involved. A programmer on his own projects is just as much an artist as any fool with paint and brush. But also code being commissioned is usually more objective than subjective. Thus the finished product must be defined before starting. Not that there couldn't be some creative means of getting to the end, but when a code writer unveils the finished product it damn well better be what the buyer wants. Pretty bells & whistles don't sell well.

And creativity in the art world sometimes backfires also. This is what happens when the artist is trusted too much: (hint it's supposed to be Lucille Ball but was quickly dubbed "ScaryLucy" by the residents of Jamestown N.Y.)

Note: you have to dig a bit to find the name of the artist. Must be interesting to be known for this work.

Scary Lucy says, "Take your Vitameatavegemin™ or I keel you!"

...on the other hand, the real Lucille Ball was instrumental in getting the original Star Trek to the small screen. As head of Desilu studios she supported Gene Roddenberry's idea, using her position as chairperson to override the rest of the board's decision to cancel the then ambitious (and expensive) series before it ever aired in 1966 even though NBC decided to order the first season worth of episodes.

So thank a former "ditzy redhead" for giving us one of television's most iconic and enduring series.

Xyetzt · September 2016

Why is it after four forty five but before five?

Xyetzt · September 2016

kyoto kid said:

Tjohn said:

LeatherGryphon said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

Jan19 said:

DanaTA said:

MistyMist said:

centipedes? riggine one of those would prolly be tedious

>.< doh

wasn't there a way in Excel, to make the formula in row2 populate down the column,
rather than drag those suckers down the column 4,000+ records

>.< doh timestamp field coming out of Oracle as a text string into Excel. need to massage these into 'date' fields access will import as dates.
dunno if they want the create date, or create timestamp zulu, doing both cuz which ever i pick will be the wrong one.

What do they do? Give you a file extract and say, "Work with this!" You should have specs before you start the process. That's no way to work. It's a sure way to waste time and get it wrong, and of course it will never be their fault, it will be yours. I always got specs for the desired output before I tackled the job!

Dana

This is probably a slight deviation from the general line of conversation, but there are two ways to work. At least two.

I always start with a vague idea and run with it. The idea changes and refines, and what isn't working can be pitched to absolute oblivion.

No final specs in mind. Ever. That is way too confining.

Good morning, everybody. :-)

That's fine for art, but for writing code for a business application, it's terrible!

Dana

OK. I was going to ask "why," but I won't.

No creativity in writing code. That's a shame.

No, there's plenty of creativity in writing code but usually clients don't want the risk involved. A programmer on his own projects is just as much an artist as any fool with paint and brush. But also code being commissioned is usually more objective than subjective. Thus the finished product must be defined before starting. Not that there couldn't be some creative means of getting to the end, but when a code writer unveils the finished product it damn well better be what the buyer wants. Pretty bells & whistles don't sell well.

And creativity in the art world sometimes backfires also. This is what happens when the artist is trusted too much: (hint it's supposed to be Lucille Ball but was quickly dubbed "ScaryLucy" by the residents of Jamestown N.Y.)

Note: you have to dig a bit to find the name of the artist. Must be interesting to be known for this work.

Scary Lucy says, "Take your Vitameatavegemin™ or I keel you!"

...on the other hand, the real Lucille Ball was instrumental in getting the original Star Trek to the small screen. As head of Desilu studios she supported Gene Roddenberry's idea, using her position as chairperson to override the rest of the board's decision to cancel the then ambitious (and expensive) series before it ever aired in 1966 even though NBC decided to order the first season worth of episodes.

So thank a former "ditzy redhead" for giving us one of television's most iconic and enduring series.

I watched the cage the other day. Might watch some more tonight.

Xyetzt · September 2016

It is after five now but where is my taxi? I scheduled a five pm pick up.

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