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Why are 3 year old characters still $45?

3Diva3Diva Posts: 12,017
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Why are the Genesis 2 figures still so expensive? They are the same price as the Genesis 3 figures and yet many are years older. 

Why is The Girl 6 (around 3 years old) the same price as The Girl 7? $45 is just too much for older figures. I know there are sales and such, but those don't come around as often as they could. 

I've also noticed that the Genesis 1 ("Aiko 5", "Hiro 5", etc) figures are still $40. Why is Aiko 5 only five dollars less expensive than Aiko 7? I'd really like to get some of these older figures but the cost is pretty out there. And again, yes, I know that these sometimes go on sale but even with the sales these could/should be less expensive. 

Come on, Daz, I think it's time to lower the prices of the older figures. 

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  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,095
    Duuuuude. There are outfits that are 10+ years old that still cost $25 or more!
  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    I guess they still cost what they do because Daz feels they can still get that much....for the Poser crowd for instance, G2 IS the latest Daz figure they can use, so there's still a market there to the Poser people at least. I've been using DS for the past year and I use the G2s just as much if not more than the G3s I have ;).

    Laurie

  • brainmuffinbrainmuffin Posts: 1,282

    That ain't nothing. Search for this in the store: Ingenue & Glamorous Vicki Bundle.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175

    LOL yeah, and that's REALLY old too ;). Not sure why they remain so high in price. Pretty sure those aren't flying out the door :P

    Laurie

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    There is a lot of Older content which is priced quite highly. It rarely ends up in fastgrab so it remains perpetually on my list of wanted items until I get tired of it being there and kick it off the list

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,541
    divamakeup said:

    Why are the Genesis 2 figures still so expensive? They are the same price as the Genesis 3 figures and yet many are years older. 

    Why is The Girl 6 (around 3 years old) the same price as The Girl 7? $45 is just too much for older figures. I know there are sales and such, but those don't come around as often as they could. 

    I've also noticed that the Genesis 1 ("Aiko 5", "Hiro 5", etc) figures are still $40. Why is Aiko 5 only five dollars less expensive than Aiko 7? I'd really like to get some of these older figures but the cost is pretty out there. And again, yes, I know that these sometimes go on sale but even with the sales these could/should be less expensive. 

    Come on, Daz, I think it's time to lower the prices of the older figures. eeee

    You can regularly pick up any of those items in the under $15 range when DAZ runs sales, most of them have been on sale for less than that multiple times in the last year and quite a few have been offered completely free as a bonus add-on with the purchase of another product.  And that's the key to the whole thing... if the prices weren't relatively high in the first place, the sales wouldn't seem so impressive.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,627

    The original base price almost never drops (although there have been cases where it has gone up, for example most of those Genesis 2 characters, like Girl 6, used to $40). However the size of the discount that gets offered for older items does increase, so it is not unusual for very old items to get offered at 80-90% off or more. This is particular true for Daz Originals, when DAZ can offer any crazy discount they want, for PA items I assume they need the permission of the PA to offer higher than normal discounts, and a lot of these very old items are from PAs that don't create anything here anymore, and would probably be difficult for DAZ to contact.

  • 3delinquent3delinquent Posts: 355

    What Havos said. The age of the product, and in the case of figures the generation it belongs to, is usually reflected in sale prices.

  • boisselazonboisselazon Posts: 458

    If you are in a hurry, it'll cost you.

    If if you have the time AND the patience, you can get them for really cheap.

    Example: M4 pro bundle: free, V4 idem, Many PC at less than 1USD, I got several G2 pro bundles for just 7USD each, I got most of themed bundles G2 for less than 2USD each etc...

    I had V7 pro bundle for 17USD. All prices given are without the use of coupons. Coupons allows even better deals.

    I'm waiting for something similar for G3 in the near future. In the meantime, I've got tons of assets to play with, and they are not that old (many G2 are less than 2 years old.)

    I'm PC+ for 18month and i've renewed for just 12USD!!! So, in a little more than a year, you can build a great base of 3D assets . With the upcoming PC+Sales, you'll get even more. 

    The bad news is that it seems that when you are old enough in this 3D party, there are less and less interesting sales for you (because you already got them all)

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,945
    edited September 2016

    I guess they still cost what they do because Daz feels they can still get that much....for the Poser crowd for instance, G2 IS the latest Daz figure they can use, so there's still a market there to the Poser people at least. "

    A  major factor to be sure
     I happen to agree with the OP
     but it has been my observation,over the years, that entities that sell Digital content items do not see them as "depreciating assets" in the same way 
    that seller of tangible consumer item do.
    Daz is not unique in this however when it comes to the actual software,

    DAZ, like Adobe, Maxon,Autodesk etc
    will not even let you sniff the box of an older version of their software at any price.cool

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,096

    My guess is if you don't discount them (unless they are on some special sale) then people are more inclined to buy the newest figures at regular price... Or not buy them like me.

    My feeling is if the new stuff is so much better, then it will sell no matter what... People will buy the old stuff too... Discount it and move both items, new people will buy the older stuff to experiment and get into the groove with and then move up the ladder to the newe stuff... This is a collectors market... People buy so much stuff they never use its ridiculous... Make old figures cheaper, you'll sell more older accessories as well as newer things, it works like that in other industries that cater to hobbyists, it would probably work that way here too.

    Then again there probably is the idea that these are not "stocked" items, they don't go bad, so there is no imperative to sell them... But the longer you keep them around at full price, the more people will forget about them or if people are new, just assume they are old junk... 

    There are loads of figures I would have bought if I didn't have to wait for sales I keep missing. 

     

  • IgnisSerpentusIgnisSerpentus Posts: 2,580

    Well, you would be surprised how much older stuff still sells. Generally, you won't see baseline prices drop, but as someone else said, steeper discounts instead.

    Me, from a personal perspective... in my own store, I wouldn't do a baseline price reduction, either. Its not food, it doesn't have an expiration date. At the end of the day, the amount of work u put in is reflected in the price.... and just because something is older, doesnt mean that work wasn't done. What will eventually happen should the sales die... the product goes bye bye. But Ive been at DAZ something like 8 yrs. And the first things I ever uploaded still sell. That said, I do fast grabs occasionally... so theres always a chance of something popping up in there. But only ever on older items.

    For instance, many ppl see Genesis 2 now as being obsolete. My sales certainly would not reflect that, though. There is still a rather large demographic who use that figure. And the orig Genesis too. And Generation 4, even, as I even still get sales off that stuff. For every person that sees them as obsolete, there is a hardcore fan still using them.

    I guess I never quite understood why older content is treated like refuse... to me, theyre still viable figures that add diversity to your collection, and a myriad of things you can possibly use. And there is still so much awesome stuff in the store you can buy for them, too.

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited September 2016

    I hope G2 isn't obsolete. I use, and still buy stuff for, G2 all the time. LOL. I think there are some at places like Rendo who actively still create things for the G2s...lots and lots of life left in those ;). I've also been buying Genesis 1 stuff up in this sale...especially the uglies. I love monsters :P.

    Laurie

    Post edited by AllenArt on
  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    i'se shocked at the price on the Shark Attack bundles. surprise  like poser4 old.

  • Joe WebbJoe Webb Posts: 837

    There is obviously still a demand for the products. Why stop making money just because a product is "old". That makes no sense. If an artist, and the hosting company, can make a profit off a work of art, there is no reason to drop the price.  There will be a market for the products as long as they are useful and can be used by DAZ artists to create images.

    M and V 4, Genisis, G2 - all have loyal followers. Sure, G3 looks great, but look at my own experience; I got into this about a year ago. I didn't know G3 was close so I invested in G2 for the most part. Outfits, hair, poses. I started picking up Genisis and older products when they went on deep sales, and built up that inventory too. Now G3 comes out - I"m reluctant to buy since I don't have pro-bundle money usually. So if I buy a figure, I have to purchase hair, clothing, morphs, poses - all the stuff I already have for the other figures I own. So I have to make the choice; do I buy a few new products for G3, or do I buy a (usually much larger) number of G2 or older items for those same dollars?

    DAZ, on the other hand, has an interest in promoting the new items. New PAs, or PAs wanting to enhance their revenue streams, want the G3 items to compete with the older items. The older products don't sell as much or as fast just because a lot of people already have them, or deep discounts and sales cut into the profits. So you make G3 items competitive by keeping the cost of older items at their original prices, with sales to push up customer interest.

    So basically as long as you want a thing, its worth money.

  • diogenese19348diogenese19348 Posts: 936

    The price will go down as soon as Disney releases the copyright on the Mouse ;)

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,541
    edited September 2016

    Ultimately, I think the original question is a bit of a straw man argument, as the fact is that everything that carries the DAZ Original tag is rarely ever sold at the full list price.  If you're in the PC+, everything is always a minimum of 30% off, and at least once a month all D.O.s are marked at 50-65% off.  And that's not even getting into the two six dollar coupons PC members get every month.  $45 is what I usually end up paying for a pro bundle, so I can't imagine that many would spend that much for just a base figure.

    Post edited by Cybersox on
  • Mighty MysterioMighty Mysterio Posts: 419

    I think prices are based on multiple factors. Neither Genesis 2 nor Genesis 1 are really obsolete, as there are many people who still use them, and the products still run without a hitch in DAZ Studio. (Some people even prefer them!) So lowering the prices doesn't really make much sense. We may not see a lot of new add-ons or clothing for those characters for sale here, but the existing stock remains viable. In addition, some specific characters for G1 and G2 are best described as "niche." Not everyone wants to have a Troll or a Toon Duck so we won't see Genesis 3 analogs for them, but those who want them will pay for them. Much in the same way that audiophiles will pay for certain products that most of us can live without.

    That said, I sure wish Lee 6 would go on sale!

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715

    The lower the price, the harder it is to have a sale; so there is a benefit as can offer sales, and so attract custom, and will make some sales at full price; perhaps not many but there is that chance.

    Business mechanics; it's much easier to reduce than to increase prices.

  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,137

    Also, if any major pros/big companies need something right away, they will buy at full price, won't bother to wait for sales, so they can make money off of them. Especially now with commercial licenses available, companies with big budgets might spend tons of money on older content without a blink.

  • TykeyStudiosTykeyStudios Posts: 879
    IgnisSerpentus said:

    Well, you would be surprised how much older stuff still sells. Generally, you won't see baseline prices drop, but as someone else said, steeper discounts instead.

    Me, from a personal perspective... in my own store, I wouldn't do a baseline price reduction, either. Its not food, it doesn't have an expiration date. At the end of the day, the amount of work u put in is reflected in the price.... and just because something is older, doesnt mean that work wasn't done. What will eventually happen should the sales die... the product goes bye bye. But Ive been at DAZ something like 8 yrs. And the first things I ever uploaded still sell. That said, I do fast grabs occasionally... so theres always a chance of something popping up in there. But only ever on older items.

    For instance, many ppl see Genesis 2 now as being obsolete. My sales certainly would not reflect that, though. There is still a rather large demographic who use that figure. And the orig Genesis too. And Generation 4, even, as I even still get sales off that stuff. For every person that sees them as obsolete, there is a hardcore fan still using them.

    I guess I never quite understood why older content is treated like refuse... to me, theyre still viable figures that add diversity to your collection, and a myriad of things you can possibly use. And there is still so much awesome stuff in the store you can buy for them, too.

    Thank you for posting that. I think I sort of had the same thoughts as I browse the forums more than posting and I see a lot of the 'obsolete comments'. And in regards to the last paragraph, I still buy Generation 4 stuff and just today a few Generation 3 outfits. Granted, I've pretty much completely moved to Genesis-Genesis 3 very recently as I better understand the versatility of the newer figures. I LOVE the first Genesis. But I don't see myself ending the love affair I have for the Generation 4 items. I'm finding even the older building sets look really good with Iray shaders applied. 

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 12,017
    tykey said:
    IgnisSerpentus said:

    Well, you would be surprised how much older stuff still sells. Generally, you won't see baseline prices drop, but as someone else said, steeper discounts instead.

    Me, from a personal perspective... in my own store, I wouldn't do a baseline price reduction, either. Its not food, it doesn't have an expiration date. At the end of the day, the amount of work u put in is reflected in the price.... and just because something is older, doesnt mean that work wasn't done. What will eventually happen should the sales die... the product goes bye bye. But Ive been at DAZ something like 8 yrs. And the first things I ever uploaded still sell. That said, I do fast grabs occasionally... so theres always a chance of something popping up in there. But only ever on older items.

    For instance, many ppl see Genesis 2 now as being obsolete. My sales certainly would not reflect that, though. There is still a rather large demographic who use that figure. And the orig Genesis too. And Generation 4, even, as I even still get sales off that stuff. For every person that sees them as obsolete, there is a hardcore fan still using them.

    I guess I never quite understood why older content is treated like refuse... to me, theyre still viable figures that add diversity to your collection, and a myriad of things you can possibly use. And there is still so much awesome stuff in the store you can buy for them, too.

    Thank you for posting that. I think I sort of had the same thoughts as I browse the forums more than posting and I see a lot of the 'obsolete comments'. And in regards to the last paragraph, I still buy Generation 4 stuff and just today a few Generation 3 outfits. Granted, I've pretty much completely moved to Genesis-Genesis 3 very recently as I better understand the versatility of the newer figures. I LOVE the first Genesis. But I don't see myself ending the love affair I have for the Generation 4 items. I'm finding even the older building sets look really good with Iray shaders applied. 

    Oh I agree that a lot of the older stuff is still quite viable. Particularly buildings and such - I can see why older buildings and inanimate objects wouldn't really require a price reduction as they can be made to look like new with the right shaders, sadly the human figures are different as they require bones and rigging and rely on technology that gets outdated. 

    I absolutely love V4 and will probably continue to use her for some time (she's actually new to me, since I'm new to 3D art, but I do see a big difference in posing and weird joint kinks and unnatural looking anatomy in certain poses with the older figures). And while 3D figures like V4 and previous Genesis generations do age pretty well, they are still technology based products and technology does age and gets outclassed in many ways (the rigging especially) by the newer figures. So I don't really see a reason why content that is years older is the same price as the newer content. Seeing much older figures the same price as the newer stuff just seams quite odd to me.

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337
    tykey said:
    IgnisSerpentus said:

    Well, you would be surprised how much older stuff still sells. Generally, you won't see baseline prices drop, but as someone else said, steeper discounts instead.

    Me, from a personal perspective... in my own store, I wouldn't do a baseline price reduction, either. Its not food, it doesn't have an expiration date. At the end of the day, the amount of work u put in is reflected in the price.... and just because something is older, doesnt mean that work wasn't done. What will eventually happen should the sales die... the product goes bye bye. But Ive been at DAZ something like 8 yrs. And the first things I ever uploaded still sell. That said, I do fast grabs occasionally... so theres always a chance of something popping up in there. But only ever on older items.

    For instance, many ppl see Genesis 2 now as being obsolete. My sales certainly would not reflect that, though. There is still a rather large demographic who use that figure. And the orig Genesis too. And Generation 4, even, as I even still get sales off that stuff. For every person that sees them as obsolete, there is a hardcore fan still using them.

    I guess I never quite understood why older content is treated like refuse... to me, theyre still viable figures that add diversity to your collection, and a myriad of things you can possibly use. And there is still so much awesome stuff in the store you can buy for them, too.

    Thank you for posting that. I think I sort of had the same thoughts as I browse the forums more than posting and I see a lot of the 'obsolete comments'. And in regards to the last paragraph, I still buy Generation 4 stuff and just today a few Generation 3 outfits. Granted, I've pretty much completely moved to Genesis-Genesis 3 very recently as I better understand the versatility of the newer figures. I LOVE the first Genesis. But I don't see myself ending the love affair I have for the Generation 4 items. I'm finding even the older building sets look really good with Iray shaders applied. 

    I keep seeing a lot of people who respond as if anything prior to Gen 3 is pretty much "old news" and not worth much effort, but a lot of older items are actually quite good,  but recently while going through my DIM's Ready to Download column to see if there was stuff that I wanted to work with (things that got added in bundles and such that just came along for the ride),  I noticed that when I checked to see the product pages to look at the items,  I'm amazed many of them sold at all the promo's were so bad, or serious lacking.  And this was on items that looked like they may have been pretty good.  One promo pic (and from a bad angle at that) is not going to get me to buy something, yet the thinking is it isn't worth the time to even do a decent promo for an older item.  Sorry, but that's crazy.  A few hours for a chance at some steady income to me is a no brainer.   But when we hear about all the hard work PA's put into everything, I'm wondering how you could put time into something up front and then not present it at it's best to begin with?

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,925

    Even if there's a new generation out, doesn't necessarily mean it's the favorite one. (And I don't know if it is.) I have Genesis 3, but my favorites are Genesis 2.  And, as mentioned, newcomers are seeing the older generations as "new"  so discounting it all the time may not be in the company's best interests. 

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,627
    nelsonsmith said:
    tykey said:
    IgnisSerpentus said:

    Well, you would be surprised how much older stuff still sells. Generally, you won't see baseline prices drop, but as someone else said, steeper discounts instead.

    Me, from a personal perspective... in my own store, I wouldn't do a baseline price reduction, either. Its not food, it doesn't have an expiration date. At the end of the day, the amount of work u put in is reflected in the price.... and just because something is older, doesnt mean that work wasn't done. What will eventually happen should the sales die... the product goes bye bye. But Ive been at DAZ something like 8 yrs. And the first things I ever uploaded still sell. That said, I do fast grabs occasionally... so theres always a chance of something popping up in there. But only ever on older items.

    For instance, many ppl see Genesis 2 now as being obsolete. My sales certainly would not reflect that, though. There is still a rather large demographic who use that figure. And the orig Genesis too. And Generation 4, even, as I even still get sales off that stuff. For every person that sees them as obsolete, there is a hardcore fan still using them.

    I guess I never quite understood why older content is treated like refuse... to me, theyre still viable figures that add diversity to your collection, and a myriad of things you can possibly use. And there is still so much awesome stuff in the store you can buy for them, too.

    Thank you for posting that. I think I sort of had the same thoughts as I browse the forums more than posting and I see a lot of the 'obsolete comments'. And in regards to the last paragraph, I still buy Generation 4 stuff and just today a few Generation 3 outfits. Granted, I've pretty much completely moved to Genesis-Genesis 3 very recently as I better understand the versatility of the newer figures. I LOVE the first Genesis. But I don't see myself ending the love affair I have for the Generation 4 items. I'm finding even the older building sets look really good with Iray shaders applied. 

    I keep seeing a lot of people who respond as if anything prior to Gen 3 is pretty much "old news" and not worth much effort, but a lot of older items are actually quite good,  but recently while going through my DIM's Ready to Download column to see if there was stuff that I wanted to work with (things that got added in bundles and such that just came along for the ride),  I noticed that when I checked to see the product pages to look at the items,  I'm amazed many of them sold at all the promo's were so bad, or serious lacking.  And this was on items that looked like they may have been pretty good.  One promo pic (and from a bad angle at that) is not going to get me to buy something, yet the thinking is it isn't worth the time to even do a decent promo for an older item.  Sorry, but that's crazy.  A few hours for a chance at some steady income to me is a no brainer.   But when we hear about all the hard work PA's put into everything, I'm wondering how you could put time into something up front and then not present it at it's best to begin with?

    One of the issues with older products, is that their promos were done on very old versions of software (Poser 4 or earlier), and so look pretty poor compared to what modern software could do. Naturally they could redo the promos using a decent up to date renderer, but given the handful of sales these items will now get, I doubt it would be worth the effort.

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 8,055

    It all about supply and demand.  Certain products have value.  And value is not determined by age,  but rather functional usefulness.  Some product have longevity for just that reason.  Therefore their inherent value have a price point,  and that price is determined by the equillibrium between supply and demand. 

    The older products in the store have survived numerous product and vendor culls.  Daz has enough turnover that slow moving content gets removed regularly.  What remains are the classic earners and they deserve the higher price point as a result just like the top performers would in any industry.  So a product is worth what someone is willing to pay for it.  Supply and demand. 

     

  • nelsonsmithnelsonsmith Posts: 1,337
    edited September 2016
    Havos said:
    nelsonsmith said:
    tykey said:
    IgnisSerpentus said:

    Well, you would be surprised how much older stuff still sells. Generally, you won't see baseline prices drop, but as someone else said, steeper discounts instead.

    Me, from a personal perspective... in my own store, I wouldn't do a baseline price reduction, either. Its not food, it doesn't have an expiration date. At the end of the day, the amount of work u put in is reflected in the price.... and just because something is older, doesnt mean that work wasn't done. What will eventually happen should the sales die... the product goes bye bye. But Ive been at DAZ something like 8 yrs. And the first things I ever uploaded still sell. That said, I do fast grabs occasionally... so theres always a chance of something popping up in there. But only ever on older items.

    For instance, many ppl see Genesis 2 now as being obsolete. My sales certainly would not reflect that, though. There is still a rather large demographic who use that figure. And the orig Genesis too. And Generation 4, even, as I even still get sales off that stuff. For every person that sees them as obsolete, there is a hardcore fan still using them.

    I guess I never quite understood why older content is treated like refuse... to me, theyre still viable figures that add diversity to your collection, and a myriad of things you can possibly use. And there is still so much awesome stuff in the store you can buy for them, too.

    Thank you for posting that. I think I sort of had the same thoughts as I browse the forums more than posting and I see a lot of the 'obsolete comments'. And in regards to the last paragraph, I still buy Generation 4 stuff and just today a few Generation 3 outfits. Granted, I've pretty much completely moved to Genesis-Genesis 3 very recently as I better understand the versatility of the newer figures. I LOVE the first Genesis. But I don't see myself ending the love affair I have for the Generation 4 items. I'm finding even the older building sets look really good with Iray shaders applied. 

    I keep seeing a lot of people who respond as if anything prior to Gen 3 is pretty much "old news" and not worth much effort, but a lot of older items are actually quite good,  but recently while going through my DIM's Ready to Download column to see if there was stuff that I wanted to work with (things that got added in bundles and such that just came along for the ride),  I noticed that when I checked to see the product pages to look at the items,  I'm amazed many of them sold at all the promo's were so bad, or serious lacking.  And this was on items that looked like they may have been pretty good.  One promo pic (and from a bad angle at that) is not going to get me to buy something, yet the thinking is it isn't worth the time to even do a decent promo for an older item.  Sorry, but that's crazy.  A few hours for a chance at some steady income to me is a no brainer.   But when we hear about all the hard work PA's put into everything, I'm wondering how you could put time into something up front and then not present it at it's best to begin with?

    One of the issues with older products, is that their promos were done on very old versions of software (Poser 4 or earlier), and so look pretty poor compared to what modern software could do. Naturally they could redo the promos using a decent up to date renderer, but given the handful of sales these items will now get, I doubt it would be worth the effort.

    Then the next question is,   If there is little chance of it selling the way it is presented, and only people who get to a particular level of expertise would even recognize the value in some of these products then what is the point of trying to sell them at all?    You're wasting people's  time when you could have a much more streamlined store, and people could have an easier time finding the products that you are obviously more interested in them seeing.

     

     

    Post edited by nelsonsmith on
  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,627
    nelsonsmith said:
    Havos said:
    nelsonsmith said:
    tykey said:
    IgnisSerpentus said:

    Well, you would be surprised how much older stuff still sells. Generally, you won't see baseline prices drop, but as someone else said, steeper discounts instead.

    Me, from a personal perspective... in my own store, I wouldn't do a baseline price reduction, either. Its not food, it doesn't have an expiration date. At the end of the day, the amount of work u put in is reflected in the price.... and just because something is older, doesnt mean that work wasn't done. What will eventually happen should the sales die... the product goes bye bye. But Ive been at DAZ something like 8 yrs. And the first things I ever uploaded still sell. That said, I do fast grabs occasionally... so theres always a chance of something popping up in there. But only ever on older items.

    For instance, many ppl see Genesis 2 now as being obsolete. My sales certainly would not reflect that, though. There is still a rather large demographic who use that figure. And the orig Genesis too. And Generation 4, even, as I even still get sales off that stuff. For every person that sees them as obsolete, there is a hardcore fan still using them.

    I guess I never quite understood why older content is treated like refuse... to me, theyre still viable figures that add diversity to your collection, and a myriad of things you can possibly use. And there is still so much awesome stuff in the store you can buy for them, too.

    Thank you for posting that. I think I sort of had the same thoughts as I browse the forums more than posting and I see a lot of the 'obsolete comments'. And in regards to the last paragraph, I still buy Generation 4 stuff and just today a few Generation 3 outfits. Granted, I've pretty much completely moved to Genesis-Genesis 3 very recently as I better understand the versatility of the newer figures. I LOVE the first Genesis. But I don't see myself ending the love affair I have for the Generation 4 items. I'm finding even the older building sets look really good with Iray shaders applied. 

    I keep seeing a lot of people who respond as if anything prior to Gen 3 is pretty much "old news" and not worth much effort, but a lot of older items are actually quite good,  but recently while going through my DIM's Ready to Download column to see if there was stuff that I wanted to work with (things that got added in bundles and such that just came along for the ride),  I noticed that when I checked to see the product pages to look at the items,  I'm amazed many of them sold at all the promo's were so bad, or serious lacking.  And this was on items that looked like they may have been pretty good.  One promo pic (and from a bad angle at that) is not going to get me to buy something, yet the thinking is it isn't worth the time to even do a decent promo for an older item.  Sorry, but that's crazy.  A few hours for a chance at some steady income to me is a no brainer.   But when we hear about all the hard work PA's put into everything, I'm wondering how you could put time into something up front and then not present it at it's best to begin with?

    One of the issues with older products, is that their promos were done on very old versions of software (Poser 4 or earlier), and so look pretty poor compared to what modern software could do. Naturally they could redo the promos using a decent up to date renderer, but given the handful of sales these items will now get, I doubt it would be worth the effort.

    Then the next question is,   If there is little chance of it selling the way it is presented, and only people who get to a particular level of expertise would even recognize the value in some of these products then what is the point of trying to sell them at all?    You're wasting people's  time when you could have a much more streamlined store, and people could have an easier time finding the products that you are obviously more interested in them seeing.

     

     

    Some people complain when any products are removed. Other products fulfil a small niche, and whilst they may not get a huge number of sales, it is worth keeping them if there is little or nothing else similar in the store. That said, I have no idea how DAZ determines which products to cull, First Bastions comment is more useful here.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I actually no longer use gen 2 or 4. So for me - they just aren't to my taste any longer.  I am purely a gen 3 person these days. So people may indeed value older characters. However the value placed on an item is an individual preference.

     They had their day, but to me, I won't buy an older figure at full price if at all.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 12,017
    nelsonsmith said:
    Havos said:
    nelsonsmith said:
    tykey said:
    IgnisSerpentus said:

    Well, you would be surprised how much older stuff still sells. Generally, you won't see baseline prices drop, but as someone else said, steeper discounts instead.

    Me, from a personal perspective... in my own store, I wouldn't do a baseline price reduction, either. Its not food, it doesn't have an expiration date. At the end of the day, the amount of work u put in is reflected in the price.... and just because something is older, doesnt mean that work wasn't done. What will eventually happen should the sales die... the product goes bye bye. But Ive been at DAZ something like 8 yrs. And the first things I ever uploaded still sell. That said, I do fast grabs occasionally... so theres always a chance of something popping up in there. But only ever on older items.

    For instance, many ppl see Genesis 2 now as being obsolete. My sales certainly would not reflect that, though. There is still a rather large demographic who use that figure. And the orig Genesis too. And Generation 4, even, as I even still get sales off that stuff. For every person that sees them as obsolete, there is a hardcore fan still using them.

    I guess I never quite understood why older content is treated like refuse... to me, theyre still viable figures that add diversity to your collection, and a myriad of things you can possibly use. And there is still so much awesome stuff in the store you can buy for them, too.

    Thank you for posting that. I think I sort of had the same thoughts as I browse the forums more than posting and I see a lot of the 'obsolete comments'. And in regards to the last paragraph, I still buy Generation 4 stuff and just today a few Generation 3 outfits. Granted, I've pretty much completely moved to Genesis-Genesis 3 very recently as I better understand the versatility of the newer figures. I LOVE the first Genesis. But I don't see myself ending the love affair I have for the Generation 4 items. I'm finding even the older building sets look really good with Iray shaders applied. 

    I keep seeing a lot of people who respond as if anything prior to Gen 3 is pretty much "old news" and not worth much effort, but a lot of older items are actually quite good,  but recently while going through my DIM's Ready to Download column to see if there was stuff that I wanted to work with (things that got added in bundles and such that just came along for the ride),  I noticed that when I checked to see the product pages to look at the items,  I'm amazed many of them sold at all the promo's were so bad, or serious lacking.  And this was on items that looked like they may have been pretty good.  One promo pic (and from a bad angle at that) is not going to get me to buy something, yet the thinking is it isn't worth the time to even do a decent promo for an older item.  Sorry, but that's crazy.  A few hours for a chance at some steady income to me is a no brainer.   But when we hear about all the hard work PA's put into everything, I'm wondering how you could put time into something up front and then not present it at it's best to begin with?

    One of the issues with older products, is that their promos were done on very old versions of software (Poser 4 or earlier), and so look pretty poor compared to what modern software could do. Naturally they could redo the promos using a decent up to date renderer, but given the handful of sales these items will now get, I doubt it would be worth the effort.

    Then the next question is,   If there is little chance of it selling the way it is presented, and only people who get to a particular level of expertise would even recognize the value in some of these products then what is the point of trying to sell them at all?    You're wasting people's  time when you could have a much more streamlined store, and people could have an easier time finding the products that you are obviously more interested in them seeing.

     

     

    I'd totally be willing to do promo images for them for a copy of the item. :) It would cost them nothing out of pocket, just a digital copy of a digital item and they'd have some nice promo renders for their product page. I work from home so rendering in the background while I'm working wouldn't be an issue. WHERE DO I SIGN UP!? lol

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