iRay only I'm tired of it.

nonesuch00

frank0314 said:

nonesuch00 said:

daywalker03 said:

kyoto kid said:

daywalker03 said:

My current planned build: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/VqQV7h

Well under $6,000 USD including the new monitors I want; granted, I'm not planning for any Titan cards at this point, which will raise the price, but I fewl with proper adjustment to things that need it it will suffice for my needs as a content creator and user.

...decent build.  8 GB VRAM would maybe handle 70% of my scenes.

I already have the displays so that is one expense I don't need to worry about  The other perophreals as well.  As I don't game or use the system for video, I don't need the dedicated sound card either.  I also plan to stay with Win7 Pro as I don't care for the iron fisted update policy and feature bloat of 10.

That said, the price for my "hypothetical" system is an estimate I made yesterday without going online.

Here is what it would actually entail

MB:  ASUS  X99-Deluxe/U3.1  529$

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K Haswell-E 6-Core 3.5 GHz  579$

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master MasterLiquid Pro 120 All-In-One (AIO) Liquid Cooler 100$

Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 128GB (8 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 579$ (a bit of a break from what I last saw)

GPU:  x2 Nvidia Titan-P Hydro ~1,400$ ea,  Note: this is an estimate.

Boot Drive: SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive 349$

Library Drive:  OCZ RD400 M.2 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive  769$

Storage: x 2 Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST4000NM0023 4TB 7200 RPM 128MB Cache SAS 6Gb/s 3.5  380$

PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer Series PPCMK3S1200 1200 Watt (1200W) 80 Plus Platinum 326$

DVD R/W: roughly 25$

Case: this is still undecided as I currently have a Antec P-183 case (no longer available) with numerous fans and a lot of internal room that doesn't scream "Gamer!". Would like to find something on the same lines but it would take too long to research just for this purpose.  I would say 200$ is a safe price for a solid professional looking all metal enclosure with multiple fans and room for liquid cooling.

So total cost:  6,636$. 

How about the attached image for a case; I've had it for probably 15 years and have used it in several builds.

LOL, that's why I've tried laptop only the past few years. Desktops are magnets for dust bunnies and eventually those dust bunnies make the fans sound like lawn mowers.

Thats why you need to clean them once a month.

I can't afford those $10 cans of compressed air.

Kevin Sanderson

aspin said:

Kevin Sanderson said:

Since Pixar has Denoiser which is cutting render times as you don't need to render forever to get rid of noise - just render out to a suitable image and run it though Denoiser. They've used it in big productions. It uses GPUs to denoise.

For those of us on a budget, the way to go looks to me to be Neat. It does a nice job. They have a version for images and one for video. They have a plugin version for Sony Vegas that will work so I will be out only $99. It also can use the GPU to speed things up. When I can get it, I'll let you know. 

Here's a guy using Octane that demonstrates using Neat Video to get rid of fine noise. About :35 in a side by side comparison. 

For Octane you don't need anymore Neat Video. Octane now has it's own denoiser/hot pixel removal.

 

With Neat Video I can use 3DL, too, for animations, and spend less on render time as well. Glad Octane has it now, but that's a big purchase for me these days. When I was younger and had more money coming in I could have done it.

frank0314

You clean them with a toothbrush and turn them on their side and just blow them out. I did it all the time before I got a air blower that plugs into the wall and blows the whole thing clean. Was the best $60 purchase I made. You will keep your computer. keyboard, and mouse clean at all times. If you can spare it at some point I suggest you get it. It cleans the radiator out for my liquid cooling great. It comes with a brush attachment that you can do deep cleaning.

Blower

evilded777

kyoto kid said:

evilded777 said:

kyoto kid said:

Mustakettu85 said:

kyoto kid said:

I don't have the tools to create my own materials nor can afford them. I am working with Hexagon as a modeller as at least it lets me learn polygon and vertex modelling without a lot of other things getting in the way. All it includes is a UV mapping tool.

So now in order to go back to 3DL and use new content that has IRay only shaders, I have I effectively have to become a PA who designs shaders. That is not what I got into this for.

Sorry but you're mixing stuff up. Maybe this is where your confusion stems from. For instance, modeling apps have nothing to do with materials.

In studio terms, to set up a material you as a "lookdev" (the artist who, well, sets up materials) only need two things: a shader from your "TD" ("technical director" who writes the shader code) and textures from the texturing department.

Your "TD" in the 3Delight/DS case would be Omnifreaker who wrote the UberSurface2 shader that you can buy in the store here. It goes on sale every now and then, and it's affordable (hint hint: I'm Russian, not a rich one, so when _I_ say "affordable", it truly is).

Your texturing department are the PAs.

You don't need their Iray materials. You just need to know where the maps go in _your_ shader and how to finetune parameters to get a specific look.

That's all. This goes for every renderer. 

...I do not have any of the Ubersurface Shaders as when they came out, I was still working in 32 bit and UE would crash the app almost every time. That was when IU stil was gainfully employed, nNow being on a a tight fixed income, I have to watch every purchase I make.  I even had to let my PC+ membership expire early this year.

What it would mean is having to basically design my own shaders from the ground up.  Not going to happen as I don't have PS.

Um... UberSurface comes free with Studio.

As does Age of Armor's Subsurface Shader.

As does UberEnvironment...

You have quite an array of tools for free.

...just the base ones there are expansions which would have to be purchased. 

Um. No. That's just patently false.There is a paid for newer version of UberSurface, but that's all. UberSurface is free. UE2 is free. AoA Subsurface Shader is free.

I'm not trying to score points, just make a point.

 

Oso3D

Heck, I'd love a ue expansion that ran in less than geologic time; I'd buy that!!

nonesuch00

frank0314 said:

You clean them with a toothbrush and turn them on their side and just blow them out. I did it all the time before I got a air blower that plugs into the wall and blows the whole thing clean. Was the best $60 purchase I made. You will keep your computer. keyboard, and mouse clean at all times. If you can spare it at some point I suggest you get it. It cleans the radiator out for my liquid cooling great. It comes with a brush attachment that you can do deep cleaning.

Blower

Now that's much more practical. Thanks.

Ghosty12

Ron Knights said:

I've finally matured some, in my older age. I just don't have time or energy to be frustrated about things I can't control. The fact is I might never get a more powerful computer that would easily handle IRay. I've easily decided just to use 3Delight whenever possible. I look at MAT folders to see if there is a 3Delight version. I apply it, and then have fun!

I am sort of in the same boat as you when it comes to getting a better PC than what I have, which is the one in my siggy..  The main reason I shied away from Iray and went back to 3Delight was that I had cooked my 570GTX while doing a series of Iray renders, and if not for the generosity of a friend I would still be stuck with the onboard intel video.. :)  And well for me and the stuff that I do 3DDelight suits me as well, and I have learnt a lot on how to get the best out of it..

timmins.william said:

Heck, I'd love a ue expansion that ran in less than geologic time; I'd buy that!!

Yeah that is the problem with UE it does a great job but, I would probably be pushing up daisies by the time the render finsihed.. lol :)

Oso3D

Thankfully I find that AoA ambient is good enough most of the time. If I really need that extra stretch of realism I generally switch to Iray; I just don't find it worth having 3 hour 3dl renders, though maybe new computer will make ue more tolerable (better cpu)

kyoto kid

nonesuch00 said:

daywalker03 said:

kyoto kid said:

daywalker03 said:

My current planned build: http://pcpartpicker.com/list/VqQV7h

Well under $6,000 USD including the new monitors I want; granted, I'm not planning for any Titan cards at this point, which will raise the price, but I fewl with proper adjustment to things that need it it will suffice for my needs as a content creator and user.

...decent build.  8 GB VRAM would maybe handle 70% of my scenes.

I already have the displays so that is one expense I don't need to worry about  The other perophreals as well.  As I don't game or use the system for video, I don't need the dedicated sound card either.  I also plan to stay with Win7 Pro as I don't care for the iron fisted update policy and feature bloat of 10.

That said, the price for my "hypothetical" system is an estimate I made yesterday without going online.

Here is what it would actually entail

MB:  ASUS  X99-Deluxe/U3.1  529$

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K Haswell-E 6-Core 3.5 GHz  579$

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master MasterLiquid Pro 120 All-In-One (AIO) Liquid Cooler 100$

Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 128GB (8 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 579$ (a bit of a break from what I last saw)

GPU:  x2 Nvidia Titan-P Hydro ~1,400$ ea,  Note: this is an estimate.

Boot Drive: SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive 349$

Library Drive:  OCZ RD400 M.2 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive  769$

Storage: x 2 Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST4000NM0023 4TB 7200 RPM 128MB Cache SAS 6Gb/s 3.5  380$

PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer Series PPCMK3S1200 1200 Watt (1200W) 80 Plus Platinum 326$

DVD R/W: roughly 25$

Case: this is still undecided as I currently have a Antec P-183 case (no longer available) with numerous fans and a lot of internal room that doesn't scream "Gamer!". Would like to find something on the same lines but it would take too long to research just for this purpose.  I would say 200$ is a safe price for a solid professional looking all metal enclosure with multiple fans and room for liquid cooling.

So total cost:  6,636$. 

How about the attached image for a case; I've had it for probably 15 years and have used it in several builds.

LOL, that's why I've tried laptop only the past few years. Desktops are magnets for dust bunnies and eventually those dust bunnies make the fans sound like lawn mowers.

...and notebooks don't have anywhere near enough adequate cooling compared to desktops.  I pretty much killed the keyboard on my old Toshiba becuase of the heat generated by rendering. Also notebooks have very limited expandability save for memory and drives.

kyoto kid

frank0314 said:

You clean them with a toothbrush and turn them on their side and just blow them out. I did it all the time before I got a air blower that plugs into the wall and blows the whole thing clean. Was the best $60 purchase I made. You will keep your computer. keyboard, and mouse clean at all times. If you can spare it at some point I suggest you get it. It cleans the radiator out for my liquid cooling great. It comes with a brush attachment that you can do deep cleaning.

Blower

...+1

kyoto kid

timmins.william said:

Thankfully I find that AoA ambient is good enough most of the time. If I really need that extra stretch of realism I generally switch to Iray; I just don't find it worth having 3 hour 3dl renders, though maybe new computer will make ue more tolerable (better cpu)

...I just wish the 4.7 update didn't break the flagging for SSS.  Yeah there is a workaround, but it is extremely tedious, especially in a large scene.

I still think I got pretty darn close to a decent realism with the AoA lights. Have to fake GI and bounce, but that is fairly simple. Yeah you don't have the emissive shader so no way to turn a surface into a light source (unless you use the Uber Area Light which can be a pain to get right), however I've spent years having to position lights where I needed them long before Iray.

I was very pleased when the preliminary version of my bus stop scene took only 14 min in 3DL compared to over two hours in Iray (the final version took nearly 4 hours, and I didn't like the shadows, textures, or the lighting as much).

Here is another 3DL  scene I thought came out very well. Uses only the AoA lights, no UE. Rendered pretty quickly as well.

nerdbird_0c3bcbff2a

kyoto kid said:

That said, the price for my "hypothetical" system is an estimate I made yesterday without going online.

Here is what it would actually entail

MB:  ASUS  X99-Deluxe/U3.1  529$

CPU: Intel Core i7-5930K Haswell-E 6-Core 3.5 GHz  579$

CPU Cooler:  Cooler Master MasterLiquid Pro 120 All-In-One (AIO) Liquid Cooler 100$

Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 128GB (8 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 2133 579$ (a bit of a break from what I last saw)

GPU:  x2 Nvidia Titan-P Hydro ~1,400$ ea,  Note: this is an estimate.

Boot Drive: SAMSUNG 950 PRO M.2 512GB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal Solid State Drive 349$

Library Drive:  OCZ RD400 M.2 1TB PCI-Express 3.0 x4 MLC Internal Solid State Drive  769$

Storage: x 2 Seagate Constellation ES.3 ST4000NM0023 4TB 7200 RPM 128MB Cache SAS 6Gb/s 3.5  380$

PSU: PC Power & Cooling Silencer Series PPCMK3S1200 1200 Watt (1200W) 80 Plus Platinum 326$

DVD R/W: roughly 25$

So total cost:  6,636$. 

I just recieved my system from System76. They make Linux machines but I put Windows 10 Pro on it. I only got one Graphics board. I may have to get another if DAZ will use a second one for rendering only. I think my processor is an i7-6900, 128 GB RAM, 32 TB hard drive with a RAID board in a RAID 10 configureation, so only 16 TB storage. Right now I'm trying to figure out the right way to copy my library from my laptop to the new monster machine. I don't want anotherTitan-Hydro because the heat coming off this machine is a lot right now. I have to figure out how to move the heat out of the cabinet I've put it in (right now I just keep the doors open). On the other hand, there is already heat coming out of it, so I could run it all the time in the winter and heat my RV! I'm thinking of cutting holes in the cabinet and putting some fans there.

I like it: recursive cooling.

The cost for my new machine was just a little bit more than your's ($7,000 or so). It was originally meant for artificial intelligence research for robotics. Now I'll use it for 3d graphics.

Now I have to figure out how to install a second graphics board so that DAZ will use it for rendering and which board to get.