* Coming Soon* Ecology Painter

Totte

This is a little video of what I've been working on lately, and it will come to the DAZ Store.

WendyLuvsCatz

looks cool, are the painted foliage bits instances or all mesh (though I guess your instancify would fix the latter)

thats always been the issue for me doing it outside DAZ studio in other apps, all the mesh to import though instanced in the original program such as Unreal Engine etc

Totte

WendyLuvsCatz said:

looks cool, are the painted foliage bits instances or all mesh (though I guess your instancify would fix the latter)

thats always been the issue for me doing it outside DAZ studio in other apps, all the mesh to import though instanced in the original program such as Unreal Engine etc

Instances, as otherwise DS would get crosseyed, go belly up and die painfully after a few seconds of painting.
 

WendyLuvsCatz

Totte said:

WendyLuvsCatz said:

looks cool, are the painted foliage bits instances or all mesh (though I guess your instancify would fix the latter)

thats always been the issue for me doing it outside DAZ studio in other apps, all the mesh to import though instanced in the original program such as Unreal Engine etc

Instances, as otherwise DS would get crosseyed, go belly up and die painfully after a few seconds of painting.
 

thats good because that's exactly what happens importing brushed on foliage from Unreal or Twinmotion via Unreal   the number of meshes is staggering 

Totte

I'm using the same kind of technique as HowieFarkes uses for his UltraScenery stuff, InstanceGroupNodes.

umblefugly

Nice stuff! Kinda funny because I am doing something similar.

WendyLuvsCatz

can you brush any objects or just presets by you and your collaborators?

am wondering if a collection of buildings for example on a terrain like the Unreal Foliage brush can

basically is it brushable Ultrascatter

Totte

WendyLuvsCatz said:

can you brush any objects or just presets by you and your collaborators?

am wondering if a collection of buildings for example on a terrain like the Unreal Foliage brush can

basically is it brushable Ultrascatter

You can create Ecology Painter Presets from whatever you like really.

 

WendyLuvsCatz

cool 

MelanieL

Wow this looks great.

Presumably DS6 only though? (I'm stuck on DS4.21 until I can acquire new hardware). Still it's something to look forward to when that happens!

Totte

MelanieL said:

Wow this looks great.

Presumably DS6 only though? (I'm stuck on DS4.21 until I can acquire new hardware). Still it's something to look forward to when that happens!Yes

Yes, DS 6 only, mostly because DS 4 doesn't really cut it when it comes to things like this, too slow, too shaky, basically too old core. 

WendyLuvsCatz

oh that's a shame

I uninstalled D|S6 because too much not supported and 7 versions of D|S was too much even for me

Richard Haseltine

Out of interest (aka nosiness) is this a custom paint engine or have you been able to use the one in DS (for weight painting etc.)? It certainly looks useful.

Totte

Richard Haseltine said:

Out of interest (aka nosiness) is this a custom paint engine or have you been able to use the one in DS (for weight painting etc.)? It certainly looks useful.

It's custom, using some strange viewport things to get hit by mouse, took some time to figure those things out.

Totte

Some images showing what you can do with it

Richard Haseltine

Totte said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Out of interest (aka nosiness) is this a custom paint engine or have you been able to use the one in DS (for weight painting etc.)? It certainly looks useful.

It's custom, using some strange viewport things to get hit by mouse, took some time to figure those things out.

Sounds errr, fun?

donniekeidic

Totte said:

MelanieL said:

Wow this looks great.

Presumably DS6 only though? (I'm stuck on DS4.21 until I can acquire new hardware). Still it's something to look forward to when that happens!Yes

Yes, DS 6 only, mostly because DS 4 doesn't really cut it when it comes to things like this, too slow, too shaky, basically too old core. 

Can the terrain mesh that is created in this in DS6 be saved as a scene and opened in DS4 at least? Or would that not be possible?

Totte

donniekeidic said:

Totte said:

MelanieL said:

Wow this looks great.

Presumably DS6 only though? (I'm stuck on DS4.21 until I can acquire new hardware). Still it's something to look forward to when that happens!Yes

Yes, DS 6 only, mostly because DS 4 doesn't really cut it when it comes to things like this, too slow, too shaky, basically too old core. 

Can the terrain mesh that is created in this in DS6 be saved as a scene and opened in DS4 at least? Or would that not be possible?

As these are std DzInstanceGroupNodes, yes, you can paint in 6 and open in 4 to render 

AnEye4Art

I haven't been excited about a new daz product in a while until now. This will come in handy with ultrascatter2 for the finer details.

donniekeidic

Totte said:

donniekeidic said:

Totte said:

MelanieL said:

Wow this looks great.

Presumably DS6 only though? (I'm stuck on DS4.21 until I can acquire new hardware). Still it's something to look forward to when that happens!Yes

Yes, DS 6 only, mostly because DS 4 doesn't really cut it when it comes to things like this, too slow, too shaky, basically too old core. 

Can the terrain mesh that is created in this in DS6 be saved as a scene and opened in DS4 at least? Or would that not be possible?

As these are std DzInstanceGroupNodes, yes, you can paint in 6 and open in 4 to render 

ok, thats great to hear, looking forward to this.

tsroemi

Wow, this looks so promising, thanks for coming up with the idea! Will keep eyes peeled for it to appear in the store.

butterflyfish

Oh, now that's interesting. I don't really use DS6 yet, but maybe I will start.

richardandtracy

I really hoped that something like Flowscape (a world creator on Unity where a ground could be laid down, sculpted and then plants, rocks, trees and even houses. Could be painted on to the ground) could be done in DS. This looks as if it could be the answer to those prayers. I await developments with bated breath. Regards, Richard.

Totte

richardandtracy said:

I really hoped that something like Flowscape (a world creator on Unity where a ground could be laid down, sculpted and then plants, rocks, trees and even houses. Could be painted on to the ground) could be done in DS. This looks as if it could be the answer to those prayers. I await developments with bated breath. Regards, Richard.

Yes, during development several testers called it "DS flowscape".  Youn can actually paint anything, and there will be stuff coming up for it from other PAs.

 

richardandtracy

Fantastic. Now to persuade DAZ to make DS6 available for offline machines. Regards, Richard.

garrett_3d

If only you'd make a version for DS4, I'd buy it in an instant.

Totte

garrett_3d said:

If only you'd make a version for DS4, I'd buy it in an instant.

DS 4 / Qt 4.8 just wont cut it, that's why I've done it for DS 6. 

garrett_3d

Totte said:

garrett_3d said:

If only you'd make a version for DS4, I'd buy it in an instant.

DS 4 / Qt 4.8 just wont cut it, that's why I've done it for DS 6. 

Care to expand on that? I can't see any reason DS6 would do this any better than DS4. If anything, I found DS6 to be a lot slower and more resource heavy.

Totte

garrett_3d said:

Totte said:

garrett_3d said:

If only you'd make a version for DS4, I'd buy it in an instant.

DS 4 / Qt 4.8 just wont cut it, that's why I've done it for DS 6. 

Care to expand on that? I can't see any reason DS6 would do this any better than DS4. If anything, I found DS6 to be a lot slower and more resource heavy.

Internal things, DS 6 is so much better under the hood ( for example loading files in way much faster ), and instance handling is at a whole different level, no more need to manage instance groups to never add more that 1000 instances to an instance groups ( as DS 4 slows to a crawl if you did ).

 

garrett_3d

Odd, I've not encountered any issues using ScatterPro and creating several thousand instances at once in DS4. I guess it's a personal perception of time thing?

DS6 on the other hand, I've found much slower to load even a single G9 character. God help me when I add a strand hair asset to it, I can literally go and make a coffee before it's loaded.

Totte

garrett_3d said:

Odd, I've not encountered any issues using ScatterPro and creating several thousand instances at once in DS4. I guess it's a personal perception of time thing?

DS6 on the other hand, I've found much slower to load even a single G9 character. God help me when I add a strand hair asset to it, I can literally go and make a coffee before it's loaded.

Weird, but Scatter products do a lot of stuff ( housekeeping ) to handle those instances, but as they have a limited number of instancegroups, there would be a problem.
Just imaging hundreds of instance group nodes and you want to moce an item, scan all those to find out which one holds the instance the user clicked on, so many things in DS 4 that cumularive just makes it to "not cut it", unless of course itr's worth spending another 800 hours to get work with resonable speed and user satisfaction in DS 4.