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  • FabianaFabiana Posts: 291

    tsroemi said:

    Fabiana said:

    thank you @joanna and @tsroemi <3

    Thank you, Fabiana! I'd been getting so depressed with the store lately, so much just boobs or gore or dystopia, so many promo renders dreary or harsh. Your new set brought loveliness and color back onto the front page. And it looks really useful as well!

    Two gifts, one in transparent png, so you can paste it where you wish. Color and nature always makes me happy :)
    Thank you again.

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  • SilverGirlSilverGirl Posts: 3,891

    For those disappointed with a lack of wasabi, https://www.daz3d.com/sushi-time-one has some. It's older, though, so might not mix well with recently offered sushi as far as the realism-matching. 

  • donniekeidicdonniekeidic Posts: 128

    daveso said:

    the new sushi and poses look to be great. If I could, in my usual style, point out maybe a missing item? Wasabi. But I dont eat sushi so not sure if its always on offer. These two products surely round out the cafe though. I see other sushi products but not as detailed as these.

    also ginger. usually they give some slices of pickled ginger to eat also, i beleive its to till any potential parasites that may be in the raw fish. more important than the wasabi to be honest.

    in any case I really like the cafe and would probably use the storefront as a bakery or coffee shop instead of as a sushi place. I have lots of props to turn it into a bakery/donut/coffee shop and I think the layout is better for that. I cant see leaving sushi in a display case like that. but for pastries or donuts it seems perfect.

  • LorraineLorraine Posts: 1,052

    SilverGirl said:

    For those disappointed with a lack of wasabi, https://www.daz3d.com/sushi-time-one has some. It's older, though, so might not mix well with recently offered sushi as far as the realism-matching. 

    The wasabi converted to Iray and sub-d. Not bad.

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  • tsroemitsroemi Posts: 3,609

    Fabiana said:

    tsroemi said:

    Fabiana said:

    thank you @joanna and @tsroemi <3

    Thank you, Fabiana! I'd been getting so depressed with the store lately, so much just boobs or gore or dystopia, so many promo renders dreary or harsh. Your new set brought loveliness and color back onto the front page. And it looks really useful as well!

    Two gifts, one in transparent png, so you can paste it where you wish. Color and nature always makes me happy :)
    Thank you again.

    heart 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,913

    donniekeidic said:

    daveso said:

    the new sushi and poses look to be great. If I could, in my usual style, point out maybe a missing item? Wasabi. But I dont eat sushi so not sure if its always on offer. These two products surely round out the cafe though. I see other sushi products but not as detailed as these.

    also ginger. usually they give some slices of pickled ginger to eat also, i beleive its to till any potential parasites that may be in the raw fish. more important than the wasabi to be honest.

    in any case I really like the cafe and would probably use the storefront as a bakery or coffee shop instead of as a sushi place. I have lots of props to turn it into a bakery/donut/coffee shop and I think the layout is better for that. I cant see leaving sushi in a display case like that. but for pastries or donuts it seems perfect.

    Wasabi is a far more potent antibacterial/antiseptic agent than ginger.  While ginger does have mild antibacterial properties, it's primary purpose is to aid in digestion (it's also good for seasickness) and to act as a palate cleanser.   

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 4,008

    As a former parasitologist, neither ginger or wasabi will have any effect on fish parasites like anisakis. As a rule, anything you can eat with impunity will have no effect on a parasite that can survive your immune system, gastric acid, or bile. Fish parasites are avoided with visual inspection at the grading stage and a very quick fast freeze when the fish is caught which kills nematodes and trematodes.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,486
    edited August 8

    I was always told raw fish needed to be frozen to kill worms and nearly all fish has worms

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  • richardandtracyrichardandtracy Posts: 8,021
    Seems cooking is actually useful. Who'd have guessed. Regards, Richard.
  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 4,008

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I was always told raw fish needed to be frozen to kill worms and nearly all fish has worms

    Technically, "sushi grade" is an unregulated term but, practically, the fish is flash frozen when first caught (fish survives one freeze thaw with almost no damage if frozen ultrafast), thawed and inspected. Yes, almost all fish has some parasite but, realistically, almost every plant or fruit has amoeba or some protozoa or bacteria on it; I gag a bit when I see someone pop off an unwashed grape in a supermarket to taste if it is sweet.  Fortunately, when properly funded, parasite surveillance is excellent. In a normal year, almost all the cases are from tourists who traveled somewhere with bad hygeine, people who go fishing and hunting since parasites also live in fresh water, and unclean cooks.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,913

    nemesis10 said:

    As a former parasitologist, neither ginger or wasabi will have any effect on fish parasites like anisakis. As a rule, anything you can eat with impunity will have no effect on a parasite that can survive your immune system, gastric acid, or bile. Fish parasites are avoided with visual inspection at the grading stage and a very quick fast freeze when the fish is caught which kills nematodes and trematodes.

    I was talking about "traditionally," ie before fast freezing and other moder strilization methods became available, and wasabi certainly isn't as effective as cooking or deep freezing when it comes to worms, which is something that professional sushi chefs are trained to evaluate the fish for with, with modern chefs using UV lights to examine the fish while preparing it.  However, the Japanese have been eating sushi and sashimi straight off the boat for over 200 years, using combinations of fermenting, vinegared rice, and wasabi, long before they knew that wasabi's active ingrediant, 6-methylsulfinylhexyl isothiocyanate, killed many bacteria like salmonella.  Prior to that they fermented the fish by packing it in soured rice and fermented it, which sounds nasty until one remembers that kimchi is also fermented and is pretty damn tasty.  On the other hand, natto (fermented soybeans) still looks pretty unappetizing and smells like ammonia, so even after many years traveling back and forth to Japan for work, I still only eat it to be polite, and have yet to risk sampling  Fugu, which can be fatally toxic if incorrectly prepared.  But hey, the Romans used to consider mice a delicacy and the rice beetles one is offered in many parts of asia are basically big cockroaches... people eat what's available and learn to like it.  

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,913

    richardandtracy said:

    Seems cooking is actually useful. Who'd have guessed. Regards, Richard.

    Cooking also breaks down tough fibers and muscle tissues, making many hard to eat food easier to eat and more digestible.  The fact taht it also makes things tastier is a bonus.  

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 27,473

    Thank you for the Rose with transparent background. It made it easy to paste into my latest bizarre Richard Haseltine render. See if you can find it.

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826
    edited August 9

    nemesis10 said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    I was always told raw fish needed to be frozen to kill worms and nearly all fish has worms

    Technically, "sushi grade" is an unregulated term but, practically, the fish is flash frozen when first caught (fish survives one freeze thaw with almost no damage if frozen ultrafast), thawed and inspected. Yes, almost all fish has some parasite but,

    this conversation reminds me of a video watched recently of this guy and does several of these jar things where he went and collected some seawater, seaweed from the ocean and at first looked like no lifeforms but during 6 months it was filled with life kinda freaky like one commented imagine what you could be swallowing when swimming

    oh and noticed other videos included creek water and sewage water and the lifeforms in them 

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  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 4,008

    Cybersox said:

    nemesis10 said:

    As a former parasitologist, neither ginger or wasabi will have any effect on fish parasites like anisakis. As a rule, anything you can eat with impunity will have no effect on a parasite that can survive your immune system, gastric acid, or bile. Fish parasites are avoided with visual inspection at the grading stage and a very quick fast freeze when the fish is caught which kills nematodes and trematodes.

    I was talking about "traditionally," ie before fast freezing and other moder strilization methods became available, and wasabi certainly isn't as effective as cooking or deep freezing when it comes to worms, which is something that professional sushi chefs are trained to evaluate the fish for with, with modern chefs using UV lights to examine the fish while preparing it.  However, the Japanese have been eating sushi and sashimi straight off the boat for over 200 years, using combinations of fermenting, vinegared rice, and wasabi, long before they knew that wasabi's active ingrediant, 6-methylsulfinylhexyl isothiocyanate, killed many bacteria like salmonella.  Prior to that they fermented the fish by packing it in soured rice and fermented it, which sounds nasty until one remembers that kimchi is also fermented and is pretty damn tasty.  On the other hand, natto (fermented soybeans) still looks pretty unappetizing and smells like ammonia, so even after many years traveling back and forth to Japan for work, I still only eat it to be polite, and have yet to risk sampling  Fugu, which can be fatally toxic if incorrectly prepared.  But hey, the Romans used to consider mice a delicacy and the rice beetles one is offered in many parts of asia are basically big cockroaches... people eat what's available and learn to like it.  

    Ironically, my boss is one of the authorities on Anasakis in Japan.  The traditional methods of treating fish in Japan unfortunately results in Japan having the highest rate of anasakis infection.  The method of visual inspection is still used which is why the rate is still so high thoug the bulk of fish is treated by blast freezing (a very fast method of flash freezing). As for pickled ginger and wasabi, yes, wasabi has a mild antibiotic ability as evidenced by heavy intake has its own distinct intestinal distress caused by killing off benifical instestinal flora. Remember any antibiotic that kills off bad bacteria kills off good bacteria. Unfortunately, anasakis is a worm i.e. an animal so antibacterials have no effect. However, both wasabi and ginger have been traditionally used as preservatives because they slow down bacterial growth. One excellent guide (my boss is mentioned here!) is from the food blog, SeriousEats, (https://www.seriouseats.com/how-to-prepare-raw-fish-at-home-sushi-sashimi-food-safety).  She was invited to comment as she also consulted for fish safety for various restaurants, fish markets, and Ssushi bars in the San francisco Bay area.

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    Elor said:

    AsuCafe said:

    I suspect it was a dessert shaped like sushi. After all, it's a coffee shop;

    It's a sushi bar according to the sign visible on the two outdoor renders.

    maybe a future add on could make it a bakery cafe? be nice as one with pastries and deserts, drinks shaped like characters seen a few videos of places like that and the look of it currently would be perfrect for it

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    that's a really nice long stem rose bundle set very useful for romantic and pinup use

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    Lacy Corset Set by Alodia Thaliel very nice for pinup art

  • ANGELREAPER1972ANGELREAPER1972 Posts: 4,826

    Landcruiser Ratte tank interesting concept if it is based on real concepts that was thought of back then they had some pretty interesting designs for various vehicles and other stuff some prototypes were made some never got of the designs remember the giant wheel weapons 

  • dennisgray41dennisgray41 Posts: 889

    richardandtracy said:

    As usual Fabiana's items are exquisitly done and accompanied by beautiful promos.

    Regards,

    Richard

    It seems to me that there should be a pose where a finger is pricked. Don't I remember that from my childhood? Perhaps Rose Red or a 
    Greek myth.

  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 4,008

    dennisgray41 said:

    richardandtracy said:

    As usual Fabiana's items are exquisitly done and accompanied by beautiful promos.

    Regards,

    Richard

    It seems to me that there should be a pose where a finger is pricked. Don't I remember that from my childhood? Perhaps Rose Red or a 
    Greek myth.

    In the classic fairy tale Sleeping Beautya princess pricks her finger on the sharp spindle of a spinning wheel. This act triggers a wicked curse, causing her and the entire kingdom to fall into a deep, century-long sleep until awakened by true love's kiss.

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,486
    edited August 10

    Disney had a rose thorn instead in their original animation 

    I have no idea about remakes

    Brothers Grimm had a spindle

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  • garrett_3dgarrett_3d Posts: 854

    I've not read the book sicne I was a kid. I could have sworn it was a cursed spinning wheel. No surprise that Disney changed things though.

  • AsuCafeAsuCafe Posts: 507

    In Greek mythology, when Aphrodite, the goddess of love, rushed to save her injured lover Adonis, she was pricked by rose thorns, and her blood stained the originally white flowers red, thus giving rise to the red rose.

  • FJM1977FJM1977 Posts: 348

    I've not read the book sicne I was a kid. I could have sworn it was a cursed spinning wheel. No surprise that Disney changed things though.

    There was a spindle. The line even is "touch the spindle! Touch it I say!"
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 41,486

    ah, probably a Mandela effect for me then, or a different cartoon 

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,913

    garrett_3d said:

    I've not read the book sicne I was a kid. I could have sworn it was a cursed spinning wheel. No surprise that Disney changed things though.

    Actually, the film DOES, in fact, use the spindle of a spinning wheel, as you can see in this video clip.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljNdPgUqfP8  That said, there ARE a number of changes between the film and the original version of the story, beginning with changing all the character's names into ones that they could Trademark, adding the whole subplot with the three faires raising SB in secret in  nod to Snow White, adding the transformation into dragon at the end for a more dramatic climax and kind of covering up the fact that the hero is killing a woman, and then... here's the really BIG one... eliminating the some really unsavory and adult moments in the original, ie: it's not a Prince's "kiss" that wakes Sleeping Beauty... that's another lift from Snow White.  Rather, it's a married King who finds SB and he knocks her up while she's asleep, and she doesn't wake up until she gives birth and then they get rid of his wife and... yeah, you can see why Disney thought that wasn't probably a good idea for a family film.         

  • Cris PalominoCris Palomino Posts: 12,959

    Cybersox said:

    garrett_3d said:

    I've not read the book sicne I was a kid. I could have sworn it was a cursed spinning wheel. No surprise that Disney changed things though.

    Actually, the film DOES, in fact, use the spindle of a spinning wheel, as you can see in this video clip.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljNdPgUqfP8  That said, there ARE a number of changes between the film and the original version of the story, beginning with changing all the character's names into ones that they could Trademark, adding the whole subplot with the three faires raising SB in secret in  nod to Snow White, adding the transformation into dragon at the end for a more dramatic climax and kind of covering up the fact that the hero is killing a woman, and then... here's the really BIG one... eliminating the some really unsavory and adult moments in the original, ie: it's not a Prince's "kiss" that wakes Sleeping Beauty... that's another lift from Snow White.  Rather, it's a married King who finds SB and he knocks her up while she's asleep, and she doesn't wake up until she gives birth and then they get rid of his wife and... yeah, you can see why Disney thought that wasn't probably a good idea for a family film.         

    Actually, you're conflating different versions. Disney did make certain changes such as adding the name Aurora, though she's also known as Briar Rose, as well as making it more theatrical with Maleficent becoming the dragon, but they were most definitely working with the one penned by The Brothers Grimm.

    The Brothers Grimm version (Little Briar-Rose, published in 1812) is actually much closer to the modern, sanitized version we know today. In their version:

    • The princess sleeps for 100 years.

    • She is awakened safely and innocently by a prince's kiss (which happens to coincide with the exact day the 100-year curse expires).

    • They get married and live happily ever after with no dark subplots.

    The spindle very likely has some basis in the much older Italian version that has elements you wrote about, but I believe that's it. There was also another version that was French which used much of the Italian plotting as I recall.

     

  • Matt_CastleMatt_Castle Posts: 3,245

    ANGELREAPER1972 said:

    Landcruiser Ratte tank interesting concept if it is based on real concepts that was thought of back then they had some pretty interesting designs for various vehicles and other stuff some prototypes were made some never got of the designs remember the giant wheel weapons 

    It is generally believed that it was a proposed concept that didn't last long (to the extent there aren't even complete plans). The proposals for the Ratte would have made it more than five times the weight of the prototype Maus tank, and the Maus was already barely functional because of its size.

    However, some historians consider that the Ratte may have purely been a hoax, similar to the Panzer IX and Panzer X concepts that were included in some propaganda with the specific intention of misleading Allied intelligence.

    That said, whether it ever could have been an effective hoax is another matter; Allied intelligence generally ran circles around Axis intelligence.

  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,913
    edited August 10

    Cris Palomino said:

    Cybersox said:

    garrett_3d said:

    I've not read the book sicne I was a kid. I could have sworn it was a cursed spinning wheel. No surprise that Disney changed things though.

    Actually, the film DOES, in fact, use the spindle of a spinning wheel, as you can see in this video clip.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljNdPgUqfP8  That said, there ARE a number of changes between the film and the original version of the story, beginning with changing all the character's names into ones that they could Trademark, adding the whole subplot with the three faires raising SB in secret in  nod to Snow White, adding the transformation into dragon at the end for a more dramatic climax and kind of covering up the fact that the hero is killing a woman, and then... here's the really BIG one... eliminating the some really unsavory and adult moments in the original, ie: it's not a Prince's "kiss" that wakes Sleeping Beauty... that's another lift from Snow White.  Rather, it's a married King who finds SB and he knocks her up while she's asleep, and she doesn't wake up until she gives birth and then they get rid of his wife and... yeah, you can see why Disney thought that wasn't probably a good idea for a family film.         

    Actually, you're conflating different versions. Disney did make certain changes such as adding the name Aurora, though she's also known as Briar Rose, as well as making it more theatrical with Maleficent becoming the dragon, but they were most definitely working with the one penned by The Brothers Grimm.

    The Brothers Grimm version (Little Briar-Rose, published in 1812) is actually much closer to the modern, sanitized version we know today. In their version:

    • The princess sleeps for 100 years.

    • She is awakened safely and innocently by a prince's kiss (which happens to coincide with the exact day the 100-year curse expires).

    • They get married and live happily ever after with no dark subplots.

    The spindle very likely has some basis in the much older Italian version that has elements you wrote about, but I believe that's it. There was also another version that was French which used much of the Italian plotting as I recall.

     

    To clear things up, my post never mentions the thorn... that was done in other posts... or the Brothers Grimm.  What my post does refer to is the oldest complete version of the story, which was written in 1634 by the italian poet Giambattista Basile, though there are written references to variants going back as far as the 1300's.  That was followed by the French version written by Charles Perault in 1697, which modified the story to include the fairy godmothers, and was the first version to be called Sleeping Beauty.  The Brothers Grimm, who were collectors or old tales that they then re-polished rather than the true originators, (as opposed to Hans Christen Anderson, who is generally credited with creating the majority of his stories from scratch,) released their version much later in 1812, which they "attributed" to German folklore, even though the Perault version was by then quite well known, and called their version "Little Briar Rose".  The name Princess Aurora, meanwhile, was first used by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky for his Sleeping Beauty Ballet, created in 1890.  The Disney version is basically a kit bash from the latter three versions, arbitrarily pulling elements from each... which is not surprising as the film took over 9 years to evolve from script to finished animation with a number of staff and concept changes along the way.  Sadly, while it's an absolutely gorgeous film and the animation work is some of Disney's most technically accomplished, I've personally always found it to be one of the least compelling, story-wise, of all the "classic" Disney releases, with Maleficent being the only stand-out character.      

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