Friday Freebies now only encrypted for a year and headsups for nonecrypted freebies

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  • ZelrothZelroth Posts: 910
    Zelroth said:

    Such negativity.  I will admit that I don't like DRM/encryption, but I can understand vendors (any type) wanting to try it.

    I don't know if any vendors actually wanted to try this. There is no indication this was their idea, beyond 'we are annoyed at the piracy.'

     

    Just a minor clariffication - when I said vendors, I was talking in general as to companies that sell to the customers like DAZ, Steam, EA, etc.  I know that some PAs may want this and some may not.  That is their call,and I was not commenting on them, just companies in general.

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,582
    edited February 2016
    DustRider said:
    Thanks DAZ!! I was one of those that wanted a true free product to test connect encrypted content  

    So far I have only downloaded the Make a Wish Props, and set them up in the Content Library tab. I've got to say though, I'm not impressed. the download was rather slow (just noting it, not a deal killer), and setting them up in the Content Library was a real PITA (not difficult, but time consuming).

    I'm one of those who don't use smart content  ..... well ..... hardly ever. Mostly because smart content isn't that smart (or maybe I'm just no smart enough to use it). For example, I load a G3F character, then I want to put some cloths on her. Hmmm, in smart content I only get the clothes that are made for G3F (only 10 icons show up in wardrobe, because I haven't bought much for G3F due to Carrara incompatibility), none of the other clothes for Genesis 2, or Genesis that will work perfectly fine on her show up. So ....... why waste my time looking for stuff in the Smart Content tab, when it shows only a small portion of the products that are compatible with the item I have selected.  I do realize that for new users, and for increased sales, smart content is great. But for us old farts that like to get as much mileage as possible out of ALL of our stuff, Smart Content is just stupid (unless I'm just stupid, which if so, please show me the proper way to find everything you might want to use with a figure smartly in smart content ..... without editing the metadata).

    If I'm wrong about smart content, I will gladly eat my words. (This sounds impressive, bit is actually much easier now, compared to 40 years ago, where my words would have been on paper, and required a great deal of chewing, and a glass or two of liquids on hand to complete the task. Now, since everything is electronic, in the "virtual world", it only requires virtually "eating" a few virtual bits and bytes and I'm done.)

    I'll need to test things a bit more (exporting to Carrara, etc.) before the final verdict. But so far, it looks like Connect only, and Connect Encrypted only content provides much less overall value for me than I had expected, even if the intended use isn't in Carrara.

    Thanks again for providing the free test content, Hopefully we will also get a free character and some clothing to test as well.

    I think whenever DAZ gets the Metadata properly done for all the products and perhaps DAZ or a 3rd party comes up with a simpler way to make metadata for other items (even a set of templates would be an improvement...) then Smart Content will really shine. Right now, the official metadata has issues, such as Lost and Found items. Compatibilities issues that while fixable by unchecking the context box, are still issues. But these are easily smoothed out with proper data entry. (Pity I couldn't get a job at DAZ making metadata, carefully going over compatibilities and categorizations to make sure each item is where it should be and that it pulls up only what it should pull up. Maybe I'm odd, but that sounds like it'd be a fun job. Though I suppose eventually, everything would be categorized except new items being made and the people making those would likely handle their own metadata...)

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  • Ooh, I like the scepter!  I know where that's getting used.

    The mind boggles devil

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,179
    edited February 2016

    I appreciate all freebies from Daz. Thanks for an extra unexpected one.

     

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  • DAZ_ann0314DAZ_ann0314 Posts: 2,875

    HAHAHA love the image barbult...that is too funny! :)

  • CbirdCbird Posts: 493
    j cade said:
    DustRider said:

     

     

    If you do a lot of cararra-ing then yeah the encrypted content is currently lower value to you, no argument there. Hopefully daz gets on that.

    Daz has already said they do not intend to work on compatibility with Carrara.

    Of course, they could change their minds, but I wouldn't expect anything even Daz soon.

     

  • DAZ_ann0314DAZ_ann0314 Posts: 2,875
    edited February 2016

    For those who are enjoying the freebie, I am glad you are enjoying it! We had a ton of fun creating that set.

    For those who are upset it is encrypted only and so will not be trying it out, we completely respect that decision and are sorry if you are unhappy with us as a result. sad (Though honestly when freebies are released and how is not under our control)

    I do feel however that giving something for free for people to try out the system for themselves (rather than taking anyone else's opinion of it one way or another) is a good idea though, and am glad to see the set will give people that opportunity (for those who want it) heart

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  • mjc1016 said:

    How do you SAY the date?

    Nobody starts with the year...so how is that 'rational'?

    If you say February 5th, then writing it 02/05/2016 makes perfect sense. 

    Just like, if you say it's the 5th of February, 05 02 2016 makes sense.

    It's rational in that for both date alone (YYYY.MM.DD) and date+time (YYYY.MM.DD HH:MM:SS), it goes strictly from largest unit of time to smallest. It also makes it trivially easy to order things by date.

    As for "Nobody starts with the year", tell that to the Chinese.

    Interesting aside. I have a friend who has done assaying and informed me that one big obstacle to going metric would be that you'd have to re-survey EVERY SINGLE plot of land in the US. That would be... formidable, particularly since you have issues like something being defined as a precise distance in Imperial, and then... well, do you round when converting? Are people going to insist you round one way vs another? Some of these deeds go back 100+ years.

     

    Add to that, there are a lot of crazies out there who will literally shoot surveyers on their land.

     

    That would not be an issue. Imperial measures of length can be converted to metric with absolute precision. One inch is, by definition, exactly 25.4 millimeters, and all other units follow from that.

  • DustRiderDustRider Posts: 2,879
    j cade said:
    DustRider said:

    Thanks DAZ!! I was one of those that wanted a true free product to test connect encrypted content  

    So far I have only downloaded the Make a Wish Props, and set them up in the Content Library tab. I've got to say though, I'm not impressed. the download was rather slow (just noting it, not a deal killer), and setting them up in the Content Library was a real PITA (not difficult, but time consuming).

    I'm one of those who don't use smart content  ..... well ..... hardly ever. Mostly because smart content isn't that smart (or maybe I'm just no smart enough to use it). For example, I load a G3F character, then I want to put some cloths on her. Hmmm, in smart content I only get the clothes that are made for G3F (only 10 icons show up in wardrobe, because I haven't bought much for G3F due to Carrara incompatibility), none of the other clothes for Genesis 2, or Genesis that will work perfectly fine on her show up. So ....... why waste my time looking for stuff in the Smart Content tab, when it shows only a small portion of the products that are compatible with the item I have selected.  I do realize that for new users, and for increased sales, smart content is great. But for us old farts that like to get as much mileage as possible out of ALL of our stuff, Smart Content is just stupid (unless I'm just stupid, which if so, please show me the proper way to find everything you might want to use with a figure smartly in smart content ..... without editing the metadata).

    If I'm wrong about smart content, I will gladly eat my words. (This sounds impressive, bit is actually much easier now, compared to 40 years ago, where my words would have been on paper, and required a great deal of chewing, and a glass or two of liquids on hand to complete the task. Now, since everything is electronic, in the "virtual world", it only requires virtually "eating" a few virtual bits and bytes and I'm done.)

    I'll need to test things a bit more (exporting to Carrara, etc.) before the final verdict. But so far, it looks like Connect only, and Connect Encrypted only content provides much less overall value for me than I had expected, even if the intended use isn't in Carrara.

    Thanks again for providing the free test content, Hopefully we will also get a free character and some clothing to test as well.

    If you unclick "filter by context" at the bottom smart content will show everything rather than just stuff that is designed to go with a certain object. I

     

    and yeah, I had to have that pointed out to me too.

     

    If you do a lot of cararra-ing then yeah the encrypted content is currently lower value to you, no argument there. Hopefully daz gets on that.

    Thanks jcade - consider my words eaten!! Not to bad with BBQ sauce either.

    Talk about ..... welll ... DUH 

  • For those who are enjoying the freebie, I am glad you are enjoying it! We had a ton of fun creating that set.

    For those who are upset it is encrypted only and so will not be trying it out, we completely respect that decision and are sorry if you are unhappy with us as a result. sad (Though honestly when freebies are released and how is not under our control)

    I do feel however that giving something for free for people to try out the system for themselves (rather than taking anyone else's opinion of it one way or another) is a good idea though, and am glad to see the set will give people that opportunity (for those who want it) heart

    Thank you for the lovely freebie and all the hard work you put into it.

    I agree that as an extra freebie it is a nice idea for people to try it out and I would love to have it.. But, while I'm not dead set against encryptation, sadly, I can't use it now because I'm not yet in a good position to upgrade to DS 4.9. Then again this is not much different than say a Poser or Crrara user not being able to utilize some freebies because they don't use IRAY or Genesis 3  And since it is free I may decide to purchase it just in case I may be able to someday use it.

    Charlie

  • frogimusfrogimus Posts: 200

    Imperial measurement? My last property still had the deed written in rods and chains.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,683
    frogimus said:

    Imperial measurement? My last property still had the deed written in rods and chains.

    Mine says "1, 2, another, another, another"

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,683
    Cbird said:
    j cade said:
    DustRider said:

     

     

    If you do a lot of cararra-ing then yeah the encrypted content is currently lower value to you, no argument there. Hopefully daz gets on that.

    Daz has already said they do not intend to work on compatibility with Carrara.

    Of course, they could change their minds, but I wouldn't expect anything even Daz soon.

    Where?

     

  • DustRiderDustRider Posts: 2,879

    For those who are enjoying the freebie, I am glad you are enjoying it! We had a ton of fun creating that set.

    For those who are upset it is encrypted only and so will not be trying it out, we completely respect that decision and are sorry if you are unhappy with us as a result. sad (Though honestly when freebies are released and how is not under our control)

    I do feel however that giving something for free for people to try out the system for themselves (rather than taking anyone else's opinion of it one way or another) is a good idea though, and am glad to see the set will give people that opportunity (for those who want it) heart

    Thanks for your hard work! Though I'm not happy with connect or encrypted only (not your fault), your stuff is definitely a good choice as a "test" freebie, because it is always so well done.

  • DustRider said:
    But for us old farts that like to get as much mileage as possible out of ALL of our stuff, Smart Content is just stupid (unless I'm just stupid, which if so, please show me the proper way to find everything you might want to use with a figure smartly in smart content ..... without editing the metadata).

    Oh, it's very possible, I think a few people here on the forums have done it... by editing the metadata.  

    FWIW, this is another in my top ten reasons not to use some of the newer bells and whistles; not entirely because I don't like them (although I'll readily admit that is part of it), but mainly because I have no use for them. They don't fit the way I've worked in D|S for many years, since long before the new features were even a scribbled note on a napkin, or an evil twinkle in a programmer's eye.  

  • AndySAndyS Posts: 1,447

    Hi,

     

    I just ordered the new freebee "Make a Wish Props".
    But I still have 4.8 due to the well known security incompatibilities. Now that freebee is only installable by Conect.

    I like to use it in 4.8 - how to ??

    I can't switch to 4.9

  • Peter WadePeter Wade Posts: 1,666

    Rub the lamp and make a wish that the encryption is removed?

    But you can't rub the lamp until you have installed it....

    Forget I ever said anything, you didn't see me. I was never here.

  • frogimusfrogimus Posts: 200
    Cbird said:
    j cade said:
    DustRider said:

     

     

    If you do a lot of cararra-ing then yeah the encrypted content is currently lower value to you, no argument there. Hopefully daz gets on that.

    Daz has already said they do not intend to work on compatibility with Carrara.

    Of course, they could change their minds, but I wouldn't expect anything even Daz soon.

     

    Well, if they said "we have no plans" you might see a new Carrara next week.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    McGyver said:
    mrposer said:

    Thanks... just "bought" it also. I was in a submissive obedient mood today so I gave in and finally downloaded/installed Windows 10... so I might as well install some DAZ encrypted products while I'm at it. I am the type of guy who plans to collaborate with the evil aliens when they invade and round up folks into their space ships.....HOW TO SERVE MAN---------------------------."ITS A COOK BOOK!!!!"

    I shall resist the forces of evil at all cost, for they shall have to pry my Windows 7 Pro, DS 4.8 copy out of my cold dead hands... I probably should wear gloves more and use a little hand lotion, they really do look pretty dead... But regardless, it is I who shall serve alien! With a bit of parsley and a nice honey glaze!... Naa, that doesn't sound good... Maybe something lemony... They taste like those big salamanders, so they probably need a good marinade too... But you know, since you brought it up, I wonder what a good marinade for people is... They say people taste like chicken, but every time I get burned it smells like steak... Tastes somewhere between beef and pork... Probably a good steakhouse type marinade would do... Well, the struggle against the forces of evil will probably be a long one so, just let me know when you get around to eating people, I'd be interested in knowing what the aliens use.

    Later.

    ...suddenly, stores worldwide are bought out of A1 and HP sauce.

  • DustRiderDustRider Posts: 2,879
    edited February 2016
    AndyS said:

    Hi,

     

    I just ordered the new freebee "Make a Wish Props".
    But I still have 4.8 due to the well known security incompatibilities. Now that freebee is only installable by Conect.

    I like to use it in 4.8 - how to ??

    I can't switch to 4.9

    Sorry to say, without 4.9 you can't use it. You could make it usable in 4.8 if you had 4.9 (nstalling the 4.9 beta would allow you to to have both 4.8 and 4.9 on your system), you could export the items (collada or obj), then re-import into 4.8. Unfortunately there is no way to use it directly in 4.8

    Post edited by DustRider on
  • DiomedeDiomede Posts: 15,388
    edited February 2016

    I appreciate the freebie.  The freebie nudged me to install Daz Studio 4.9 just to try out encryption, the embedded store, and the installation process.  As I expected, it was about as useful as the "content paradise" tab in Poser, which means not useful at all to the program user - me.  I think that when I use Studio 4.9, I will be working in the "offline" option and won't be using the embedded store.  I will generally avoid encryption only products but if something really catches my eye, I might make an exception. 

     

    Thank you, Daz, for letting me try it out for free.

     

    EDIT: the props set is a fine addition to be combined with Slosh's genie product.

     

    Post edited by Diomede on
  • FInished up my tests, asked to have it removed. It's a lovely set, and hopefully it'll be around in an unencrypted form someday.

  • DustRider said:
    AndyS said:

    Hi,

     

    I just ordered the new freebee "Make a Wish Props".
    But I still have 4.8 due to the well known security incompatibilities. Now that freebee is only installable by Conect.

    I like to use it in 4.8 - how to ??

    I can't switch to 4.9

    Sorry to say, without 4.9 you can't use it. You could make it usable in 4.8 if you had 4.9 (nstalling the 4.9 beta would allow you to to have both 4.8 and 4.9 on your system), you could export the items (collada or obj), then re-import into 4.8. Unfortunately there is no way to use it directly in 4.8

    The thing which worries me about these installation methods is that I don't want to mess up my DS 4.8 content database. I fear that installing DS 4.9 side-by-side with 4.8 might cause the two databases to screw each other up, or the 4.9 database to delete and and replace the 4.8 one. I worry that I would end up not being able to access my 4.8 content anymore. I continue to download content manually and place it in the folders where both I and the software can most easily find it. That way I can use content from Smith Micro, Renderosity, ShareCG etc. alongside of stuff from DS store and also use Daz items from the old Daz freebie site and things from old computer magazine coverdiscs. If I ever set up 4.9 it may need to be on a different computer so as not to mess up all the content I already have. I also use Carrara and Bryce a lot so there's that complication too.

    BTW: Date format, if we wanted it to be rational, would be like ducks flying up a wall: small, medium, large (days, months, years).

  • AndySAndyS Posts: 1,447

    Hi,

     

    I just purchased the currently free "Have a Wish Props".
    Now I saw, they have to be installed using Connect only.
    But I only have DAZ4.8. I can't run 4.9 due to the very well known security incompatibilities.

    So how to download and install it?

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,707

    you can't. It's for DS 4.9 only

  • mjc1016mjc1016 Posts: 15,001

    It isn't security incompatabilities...ALL the other AV/Security software providers have no problem with the #2 database software on the planet.  Only one company has a 7 plus yr problem with it...you figure out what is going on.

  • AndySAndyS Posts: 1,447

    But isn't it futile:

    free <-> strict protection ?

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
     

    BTW: Date format, if we wanted it to be rational, would be like ducks flying up a wall: small, medium, large (days, months, years).

    Oh you mean how we do it here in the UK

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,683

    The thing which worries me about these installation methods is that I don't want to mess up my DS 4.8 content database. I fear that installing DS 4.9 side-by-side with 4.8 might cause the two databases to screw each other up, or the 4.9 database to delete and and replace the 4.8 one. I worry that I would end up not being able to access my 4.8 content anymore. I continue to download content manually and place it in the folders where both I and the software can most easily find it. That way I can use content from Smith Micro, Renderosity, ShareCG etc. alongside of stuff from DS store and also use Daz items from the old Daz freebie site and things from old computer magazine coverdiscs. If I ever set up 4.9 it may need to be on a different computer so as not to mess up all the content I already have. I also use Carrara and Bryce a lot so there's that complication too.

    The 4.9 database uses different tables than the 4.8 database -- the only thing they share is the list of categories, so as long as you don't delete a category in 4.9 it won't mess up the 4.8 database.

    As for content not installed with Connect, it reads it the same way as 4.8 did, just make sure you have the content locations mapped in Content Directory Manager.

  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,565
    edited February 2016

    Pfft.

     

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