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  • DimensionTheoryDimensionTheory Posts: 435
    edited February 2016

     

    Fixmypcmike said:

    Consider that all those years ago you could only download a file 3 or 4 times and had to request a reset after that, whereas now you can download unlimited times on any machine you own.  Some sites give you a download key that's only valid for a week and can only be used once, or charge extra for extended download service.

    Best example I know is Cornucopia3d who still only allows 5 downloads before you exceed your limit, and the process for requesting more downloads is to post in a forum thread started in 2007.

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  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,582
    Fixmypcmike said:
    TesseractSpace said:
    Paradigm67 said:
    TesseractSpace said:

    This is all good to hear.

    1. I'm not thrilled with the degradation of trust implied by the adoption of DRM but at least it looks like some sensible steps are being taken to protect the interests of customers as well as the company.

    I don't take this as a lack of trust so much as a way to combat piracy. It seems to have gotten a lot better, but when I started this hobby I'd see links to pirated stuff while just googling "Daz3d."

    Still do, more's the pity. At least it isn't on the first page of links...

    But DRM isn't targetted. It doesn't just affect the pirates. It operates from the base assumption that we're all pirates until we prove otherwise. If that had been the state of things when I got into the market, fine. At least it would be upfront. But to see it applied now after all these years of shopping here, it does feel like I'm not trusted anymore. 

    Consider that all those years ago you could only download a file 3 or 4 times and had to request a reset after that, whereas now you can download unlimited times on any machine you own.  Some sites give you a download key that's only valid for a week and can only be used once, or charge extra for extended download service.  And Daz still has a 30-day no questions asked return policy.  So on balance, even with DRM Daz is demonstrating in other ways that they DO trust you.

    Always considered the download limits to be a matter of the realities of the cost of bandwidth. And the effect on me is easily mitigated by making backups. It affects me about as much as having to login to download in the first place, something I could easily make a one time thing. This new system though could ask me to verify as often as I change hardware in my system. I can only mitigate insofar as I choose to keep my system as it is and none of it breaks. (I'm gonna hope they didn't make it sensitive enough to freak out over me adding RAM, though. That'd be a bit much. And yes, I've seen DRM tuned to be so sensitive to hardware changes that it required reverification over RAM upgrades as though it were on a whole new PC. Can't recall which program, don't use it anymore for some reason...)

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    Petercat said:

    Some of us can't use DRM, because our art computers cannot go online. An issue that still has not been addressed.

    And some of us can't use DRM because we can't, (or have chosen not to,) install 4.9 for one reason or another. And that issue still has not been addressed, as well.

    lx said:

    Well there isn't much sales data for them to go on right now. There were a few trial items released at initially massively discounted prices, but that was it. I'm expecting some more to turn up today or Wed because without actually releasing more items (and releasing them in ways that non-encrypted can compete evenly with) there's no way they can get any real data on how they do.

    Perhaps they are waiting to see how long it takes for the current encrypted products to show up on sharing sites.

    ashley9803 said:

    Many PAs would be well aware of their expected sales and would know if excrypting their products is enhancing or restricting sales. Not that there has been much to go by yet, as you say.

    The complaints that matter the most aren't going to come from the forums and grunts like us, but when or if vendors jack up about losing money on their products, if that actually occurs.

    As all the encrypted products to date have been Daz Originals, the PAs have been paid and it's DAZ taking all the risk of lost sales.

    nicstt said:
    Call DRMed products, what they are: rented. Price them accordingly and fix their duration, and that may change.

    DRM or not, we license the products and certain restrictions apply. We're lucky these are royalty free and we only pay a one time licensing fee. Anyway, it could be argued that licensing is a form of rental, regardless of the length of the time the licensing covers, as we do not own the products we "purchase."

    Ostadan said:

    I remember at the press conference where Coke backed down and introduced Coke Classic alongside 'new' Coke, a reporter asked if maybe they hadn't planned this all along (to increase store shelf presence).  His reply was brilliant: 'We aren't that smart; and we aren't that dumb.'  Probably worth remembering as this whole DAZ thing continues to unfold.

    That's priceless! Must remember that one...

    I'm not a fan of DRM/encryption, but I'm not insulted DAZ is taking steps against piracy. It has always been that the actions of a few result in changes that affect all. Are you insulted when you're asked to show your passport when traveling out of country? Are you insulted when asked to show proof of insurance when you're in a fender-bender? Are you insulted when the checkout clerk asks to see your ID when paying by check?

    Regardless of the end result of DRM/encrypted content on DAZ, utilizing it is not a slap in the face of honest customers. Any business has the right, perhaps the obligation as well, to shape their policies to minimize loss. If a company doesn't mitigate their losses, it's a safe bet they won't last. I like DAZ Studio. I like the products I license from DAZ3D. I spend almost all of my 3D budget at DAZ3D. And I don't want to see them go out of business.

    I have no plans to purchase Encrypted DAZ Connect products at this time. That decision is based on the fact I am not using 4.9 and won't be until I have a more robust computer. By that time, I expect DAZ will have determined whether or not DRM/encrypted content is a viable solution to the piracy problem. And it is our problem as much as DAZ's. The higher their losses, the more money honest customers will spend in the form of higher prices and lower sales discounts. The same happens in brick and mortar stores, too. It's hard to keep your customers happy if you go out of business.

    And for the record, I really want that Trenchcoat, too!

  • Charlie JudgeCharlie Judge Posts: 13,242
    L'Adair said:
    Petercat said:

     

    I have no plans to purchase Encrypted DAZ Connect products at this time. That decision is based on the fact I am not using 4.9 and won't be until I have a more robust computer. By that time, I expect DAZ will have determined whether or not DRM/encrypted content is a viable solution to the piracy problem. And it is our problem as much as DAZ's. The higher their losses, the more money honest customers will spend in the form of higher prices and lower sales discounts. The same happens in brick and mortar stores, too. It's hard to keep your customers happy if you go out of business.

    And for the record, I really want that Trenchcoat, too!

    Double Ditto! I, too, won" be buying encrypted content not because of any opposition to DRM but because I'm not using DS4.9. And I wanted that Trenchcoat too; but I may have to settle for the one in Eldrich Seeker.

  • RobotHeadArtRobotHeadArt Posts: 917
    edited February 2016

    I hope I will not get censored for asking a question that involves speculation of the future but here I go...

    If we have the assumption that there will continue to be future releases of DAZ Studio and DAZ continues putting out releases into the near term future, how long will older versions of DAZ Studio be supported for using Connect?  Let us just fast forward to 2019, and DS 4.10, 4.11, 4.12, and 5.0 have been released.  Will people who still have DS 4.9 installed in the year 2019 be able to use their encrypted DAZ Connect content?  What if there is a security vulnerability that requires DAZ to make a breaking change (like there have been in Open SSL, a library that DAZ is using) to Connect that requires a client side patch.  Will they put them out for every version of DAZ or will they simply tell users upgrade to the latest and lock out older versions of DAZ Studio?  In the world of Steam DRM the Steam client is self updating but the DS executable is not setup for self updates.

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  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    L'Adair said:

    Perhaps they are waiting to see how long it takes for the current encrypted products to show up on sharing sites.

    I'm not a fan of DRM/encryption, but I'm not insulted DAZ is taking steps against piracy. It has always been that the actions of a few result in changes that affect all. Are you insulted when you're asked to show your passport when traveling out of country? Are you insulted when asked to show proof of insurance when you're in a fender-bender? Are you insulted when the checkout clerk asks to see your ID when paying by check?

    Regardless of the end result of DRM/encrypted content on DAZ, utilizing it is not a slap in the face of honest customers. Any business has the right, perhaps the obligation as well, to shape their policies to minimize loss. If a company doesn't mitigate their losses, it's a safe bet they won't last. I like DAZ Studio. I like the products I license from DAZ3D. I spend almost all of my 3D budget at DAZ3D. And I don't want to see them go out of business.

    I have no plans to purchase Encrypted DAZ Connect products at this time. That decision is based on the fact I am not using 4.9 and won't be until I have a more robust computer. By that time, I expect DAZ will have determined whether or not DRM/encrypted content is a viable solution to the piracy problem. And it is our problem as much as DAZ's. The higher their losses, the more money honest customers will spend in the form of higher prices and lower sales discounts. The same happens in brick and mortar stores, too. It's hard to keep your customers happy if you go out of business.

    And for the record, I really want that Trenchcoat, too!

    I don't mean to speak for others, but I don't think anyone here is against Daz taking steps against piracy; most objections against DRM in terms of piracy are that it won't be effective enough to cover how much it inconveniences paying customers (especially if that piracy is sites dedicated enough to using fraud for purchases which they are then reselling.)

    I think it's really unfortunate that they chose to test with male items (which apparently 'do not sell') instead of the latest exclusive Victoria Bikini >.> I also feel like it may skew data but who knows since we don't see the numbers anyway. I'd still like to see more content released on an even footing. They could just be testing to see how long it takes to turn up, but there's no real reason not to release more in the meantime. I don't know where these mysterious pay sites are and am not about to go looking for them so no idea if anything of the like has happened yet, either.

  • XaatXuunXaatXuun Posts: 874
    edited February 2016
    kyoto kid said:

    ...crikey was on another forum and couldn't get a pic to attach properly,  just sat there doing notjong but saying "uploading" for nearly 15 minutes.

    However they can implement DRM.  Gotta love the priorities.

    yeah I keep getting vein streatch marks with that . .. when that happens, and  too keep me turning red and veins popping, I use another site to host the image, so I can post it

    Post edited by XaatXuun on
  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,582
    L'Adair said:
    Petercat said:

    Some of us can't use DRM, because our art computers cannot go online. An issue that still has not been addressed.

    And some of us can't use DRM because we can't, (or have chosen not to,) install 4.9 for one reason or another. And that issue still has not been addressed, as well.

    lx said:

    Well there isn't much sales data for them to go on right now. There were a few trial items released at initially massively discounted prices, but that was it. I'm expecting some more to turn up today or Wed because without actually releasing more items (and releasing them in ways that non-encrypted can compete evenly with) there's no way they can get any real data on how they do.

    Perhaps they are waiting to see how long it takes for the current encrypted products to show up on sharing sites.

    ashley9803 said:

    Many PAs would be well aware of their expected sales and would know if excrypting their products is enhancing or restricting sales. Not that there has been much to go by yet, as you say.

    The complaints that matter the most aren't going to come from the forums and grunts like us, but when or if vendors jack up about losing money on their products, if that actually occurs.

    As all the encrypted products to date have been Daz Originals, the PAs have been paid and it's DAZ taking all the risk of lost sales.

    nicstt said:
    Call DRMed products, what they are: rented. Price them accordingly and fix their duration, and that may change.

    DRM or not, we license the products and certain restrictions apply. We're lucky these are royalty free and we only pay a one time licensing fee. Anyway, it could be argued that licensing is a form of rental, regardless of the length of the time the licensing covers, as we do not own the products we "purchase."

    Ostadan said:

    I remember at the press conference where Coke backed down and introduced Coke Classic alongside 'new' Coke, a reporter asked if maybe they hadn't planned this all along (to increase store shelf presence).  His reply was brilliant: 'We aren't that smart; and we aren't that dumb.'  Probably worth remembering as this whole DAZ thing continues to unfold.

    That's priceless! Must remember that one...

    I'm not a fan of DRM/encryption, but I'm not insulted DAZ is taking steps against piracy. It has always been that the actions of a few result in changes that affect all. Are you insulted when you're asked to show your passport when traveling out of country? Are you insulted when asked to show proof of insurance when you're in a fender-bender? Are you insulted when the checkout clerk asks to see your ID when paying by check?

    Regardless of the end result of DRM/encrypted content on DAZ, utilizing it is not a slap in the face of honest customers. Any business has the right, perhaps the obligation as well, to shape their policies to minimize loss. If a company doesn't mitigate their losses, it's a safe bet they won't last. I like DAZ Studio. I like the products I license from DAZ3D. I spend almost all of my 3D budget at DAZ3D. And I don't want to see them go out of business.

    I have no plans to purchase Encrypted DAZ Connect products at this time. That decision is based on the fact I am not using 4.9 and won't be until I have a more robust computer. By that time, I expect DAZ will have determined whether or not DRM/encrypted content is a viable solution to the piracy problem. And it is our problem as much as DAZ's. The higher their losses, the more money honest customers will spend in the form of higher prices and lower sales discounts. The same happens in brick and mortar stores, too. It's hard to keep your customers happy if you go out of business.

    And for the record, I really want that Trenchcoat, too!

    I think this is why the thread drags on. So far the comparisons have been fairly off base. Instead of a passport check when leaving the country, think having to show your identification papers to walk around your own town. Daz has trimmed it down to being more like an RFID implant that is read automatically than something requiring my active participation, but that doesn't change the nature of it. If I want to use an encrypted item, it has to check my ID every single time. They may have handed me an ID checkpoint on my system, but it is still an ID check. And these wildly inaccurate comparisons just muddy the issue. Showing proof of insurance in a fender-bender is nothing like this. Pointing out ID checks that are meant to serve both parties in a transaction is not an accurate representation. DRM serves one party, and one party only.  

    Businesses also have a responsibility to think about what may be implied in their actions and how that implication affects customers. It isn't like there aren't other steps they could take, DRM is not the only possible way to mitigate loss. It's just a method that targets the innocent with the guilty, has a poor track record in most industries both for effectiveness and impact on legit customers. Worst is if this doesn't mitigate losses enough to cover what was invested in it. Then they've lost both what they were losing initially, AND the cost of the DRM. Then again, maybe it'll work. It has been said that we may be to niche to have the attention of the skilled crack makers. (Though my untrained self has noted a few possible points I won't speak of until I've tested them on an isolated machine and even then I'd only tell them to DAZ)

    And for those not upgrading to 4.9 or otherwise unable to use DRMed content, another worry is that for it to be truly effective, it'd have to cover more than just a tiny fraction of the store. I can't speculate on how it might be applied, but I think even DAZ can agree that it won't amount to much if it just covers a handful of items. It sounds like they're taking the sensible approach to already released content at least. No point in closing the barn door after the horses have escaped. But the experiments so far haven't shown how it may be applied in the store, 

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    lx said:

    I think it's really unfortunate that they chose to test with male items (which apparently 'do not sell') instead of the latest exclusive Victoria Bikini >.>

    I couldn't agree more with that. We already have enough trouble convincing DAZ/PAs to give us good, quality male items. We don't need something as controversial as DRM/encryption applied to male products to skew sales numbers. If they later decide to release the detective products/bundle unencrypted, I'll buy it. I'd have gotten that Trenchcoat the day it was released, even if I'd had to use a credit card, (and I almost never use a credit card to purchase at DAZ.)

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    TesseractSpace said:

    I think this is why the thread drags on. So far the comparisons have been fairly off base. Instead of a passport check when leaving the country, think having to show your identification papers to walk around your own town. Daz has trimmed it down to being more like an RFID implant that is read automatically than something requiring my active participation, but that doesn't change the nature of it. If I want to use an encrypted item, it has to check my ID every single time. They may have handed me an ID checkpoint on my system, but it is still an ID check. And these wildly inaccurate comparisons just muddy the issue. Showing proof of insurance in a fender-bender is nothing like this. Pointing out ID checks that are meant to serve both parties in a transaction is not an accurate representation. DRM serves one party, and one party only.  

    My point is laws/rules are made because of negative actions by a minority of people, and most of us accept them for what they are, rather than being personally insulted by them.

    I made a conscious decision to not be insulted. I choose to not take personally the impersonal business decisions of DAZ or any other company. That doesn't necessarily mean I have to like it. And I will make future purchasing decisions based on how the resulting changes affect me. I speak only for myself.

     

  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,380

    I was just looking at older items to get an idea of what might be a DRM item.

    In the Fast Grab page is:

    Jepe's Tye For The Freak

    • After looking at the "Install Types" I discovered that this has the dreaded icon, and that it is encrypted. Am I reading this incorrectly? If so please correct me. But if this is correct, this is an item for M4 and Freak 4.
    • I did read that the encryption was for NEW products, didn't I?
    • SO....... what is going on?
  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    edited February 2016
    Bendinggrass said:

    I was just looking at older items to get an idea of what might be a DRM item.

    In the Fast Grab page is:

    Jepe's Tye For The Freak

    • After looking at the "Install Types" I discovered that this has the dreaded icon, and that it is encrypted. Am I reading this incorrectly? If so please correct me. But if this is correct, this is an item for M4 and Freak 4.
    • I did read that the encryption was for NEW products, didn't I?
    • SO....... what is going on?

    Install Types:

     

     

    Says nothing about encryption for me.

    This is what an encrypted item looks like: http://www.daz3d.com/classic-trenchcoat-for-genesis-3-male-s

    Post edited by lx_2807502 on
  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,582
    L'Adair said:
    TesseractSpace said:

    I think this is why the thread drags on. So far the comparisons have been fairly off base. Instead of a passport check when leaving the country, think having to show your identification papers to walk around your own town. Daz has trimmed it down to being more like an RFID implant that is read automatically than something requiring my active participation, but that doesn't change the nature of it. If I want to use an encrypted item, it has to check my ID every single time. They may have handed me an ID checkpoint on my system, but it is still an ID check. And these wildly inaccurate comparisons just muddy the issue. Showing proof of insurance in a fender-bender is nothing like this. Pointing out ID checks that are meant to serve both parties in a transaction is not an accurate representation. DRM serves one party, and one party only.  

    My point is laws/rules are made because of negative actions by a minority of people, and most of us accept them for what they are, rather than being personally insulted by them.

    I made a conscious decision to not be insulted. I choose to not take personally the impersonal business decisions of DAZ or any other company. That doesn't necessarily mean I have to like it. And I will make future purchasing decisions based on how the resulting changes affect me. I speak only for myself.

     

    Can't really say much about the laws without going into forbidden ground. But i've worked retail, trust me, every single security measure that impedes a customer in the slightest will anger many of them. Even ones set up to protect the customer.

  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,380
    lx said:
    Bendinggrass said:

    I was just looking at older items to get an idea of what might be a DRM item.

    In the Fast Grab page is:

    Jepe's Tye For The Freak

    • After looking at the "Install Types" I discovered that this has the dreaded icon, and that it is encrypted. Am I reading this incorrectly? If so please correct me. But if this is correct, this is an item for M4 and Freak 4.
    • I did read that the encryption was for NEW products, didn't I?
    • SO....... what is going on?

    Install Types:

     

     

    Says nothing about encryption for me.

    This is what an encrypted item looks like: http://www.daz3d.com/classic-trenchcoat-for-genesis-3-male-s

    Thanks. My mistake. I was looking at the Install types, and it sure looked like that nasty little icon was there.

    Glad I am wrong.... and glad I know better also.

  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,380

    Guess I better go through my wishlist and toss all the items with the DRM icon.

  • L'AdairL'Adair Posts: 9,479
    TesseractSpace said:
    L'Adair said:
    TesseractSpace said:

    I think this is why the thread drags on. So far the comparisons have been fairly off base. Instead of a passport check when leaving the country, think having to show your identification papers to walk around your own town. Daz has trimmed it down to being more like an RFID implant that is read automatically than something requiring my active participation, but that doesn't change the nature of it. If I want to use an encrypted item, it has to check my ID every single time. They may have handed me an ID checkpoint on my system, but it is still an ID check. And these wildly inaccurate comparisons just muddy the issue. Showing proof of insurance in a fender-bender is nothing like this. Pointing out ID checks that are meant to serve both parties in a transaction is not an accurate representation. DRM serves one party, and one party only.  

    My point is laws/rules are made because of negative actions by a minority of people, and most of us accept them for what they are, rather than being personally insulted by them.

    I made a conscious decision to not be insulted. I choose to not take personally the impersonal business decisions of DAZ or any other company. That doesn't necessarily mean I have to like it. And I will make future purchasing decisions based on how the resulting changes affect me. I speak only for myself.

     

    Can't really say much about the laws without going into forbidden ground. But i've worked retail, trust me, every single security measure that impedes a customer in the slightest will anger many of them. Even ones set up to protect the customer.

    True. And 've been on both sides of that! lol... I've been angry at changes that negatively affected me, but I still didn't take it personally.

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,684
    Bendinggrass said:

    Guess I better go through my wishlist and toss all the items with the DRM icon.

    It's only these 9 items so far:

    http://www.daz3d.com/old-warehouse-room

    http://www.daz3d.com/classic-trenchcoat-for-genesis-3-male-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/detective-poses-and-props

    (these 3 items are contained in http://www.daz3d.com/detective-bundle )

    http://www.daz3d.com/lulu-outfit-genesis-3-female-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/troubadour-for-genesis-2-male-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/troubadour-textures

    http://www.daz3d.com/dragon-queen-for-genesis-3-female-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/lynsey-for-genesis-3-female-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/medieval-storage-room

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,582

    I'll admit it's upsetting me personally because it seems like a really severe change in attitude from how things have been in this entire field over the years. And because it is a niche market, it's easy to think that we're individually more important as customers than say the customers of EA or Sony who don't have to care about writing off a certain number of customers as acceptable losses. In a way it isn't that it's personal, but rather that it is becoming impersonal.

    As corporate as DAZ could seem, it still felt like they at least understood where I was coming from about things like not having plaintext access to work with files. And while I think the developers and artists that work there understand, I'm worried the decision is in the hands of people who may never have even used the program or at least never worked with the hundred little hacks some of us have learned over the years to make things work the way we want. Especially when the response boils down to 'Why would you ever do that?'.

  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 4,112

    I haven't worked this out how do you search for a theme say like Sci Fi or Fantasy. I type in "Sci Fi" and it only comes up with products that have the words Sci Fi in them which misses all the other products belonging to that theme. I'm sure it's a filter thing which I don't understand how to use yet ! any ideas ?

  • frogimusfrogimus Posts: 200

    I think you need to add those tags to the items yourself. Which seems like it could become quite powerful for finding things.

  • CbirdCbird Posts: 493

    Could you sell us the utility now, so we can use the encrypted stuff in Carrara? The program you sell.

  • Midnight_storiesMidnight_stories Posts: 4,112
    frogimus said:

    I think you need to add those tags to the items yourself. Which seems like it could become quite powerful for finding things.

    Hmmm Tags Hey I'll have to investigate Thanks !

  • BendinggrassBendinggrass Posts: 1,380
    edited February 2016
    Fixmypcmike said:
    Bendinggrass said:

    Guess I better go through my wishlist and toss all the items with the DRM icon.

    It's only these 9 items so far:

    http://www.daz3d.com/old-warehouse-room

    http://www.daz3d.com/classic-trenchcoat-for-genesis-3-male-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/detective-poses-and-props

    (these 3 items are contained in http://www.daz3d.com/detective-bundle )

    http://www.daz3d.com/lulu-outfit-genesis-3-female-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/troubadour-for-genesis-2-male-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/troubadour-textures

    http://www.daz3d.com/dragon-queen-for-genesis-3-female-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/lynsey-for-genesis-3-female-s

    http://www.daz3d.com/medieval-storage-room

     

    Thank you, Mike.

    Post edited by Cris Palomino on
  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,203
    j cade said:
    shadowhawk1 said:
    fastbike1 said:

    You don't have to use Connect. DIM or manual install is available on the majority of products. If Connect is the only available means, don't buy the product. Life is about choices. 

    shadowhawk1 said:
    SnowSultan said:

    Also will never use connect, as I am a dinosaur that likes to manually organize my content :D
    I do a lot of kitbashing, so I need to know where everything is, and I have created a system for that.

    You can still organize your content manually using Connect. There have been a number of posts explaining how to do it by dragging-and-dropping shortcuts into the Content Library and arranging them there. I'm reinstalling all of my content using Connect and I'm able to put shortcuts and custom folders wherever I want. 

    This is a problem for me. I have no desire to use connect and have created custom folder in my Content/People folders to eliminate unneeded folders and have created folders to better orginize my runtime. I have no desire to do it again with the amount of content I have it would take weeks to get back to the point I am now. 

     

    Sorry that should have read 4.9. Becuase of my custom folders in the main content/people folder I will stay with 4.8, there just isn't enough added features to make it worth changing for all the headaches I can see it creating.

     

    Are you custom folders in the content library or smart content, because if they are the content library they will not change at all. Some people have had issues with updates wiping out custom categories in smart content, but updates will not effect orginazation of the content library

    I use DIM and download to a file where I unzip and then strip out all the junk like extra folders and folder images before installing them myself. With 4.9 the whole structure changes, at least that is what they said previously. I don't know if they changed the structure for content or for DRM. I keep hearing of issues form people who have installed 4.9 but then I hear from people suuch as yourself, are you an end user or do you work for DAZ?  Are you saying I won't have an issue because it worked for you? I am not willing to risk over a months worth of work to fix my floders. 

  • fixmypcmikefixmypcmike Posts: 19,684
    shadowhawk1 said:
    j cade said:
    shadowhawk1 said:
    fastbike1 said:

    You don't have to use Connect. DIM or manual install is available on the majority of products. If Connect is the only available means, don't buy the product. Life is about choices. 

    shadowhawk1 said:
    SnowSultan said:

    Also will never use connect, as I am a dinosaur that likes to manually organize my content :D
    I do a lot of kitbashing, so I need to know where everything is, and I have created a system for that.

    You can still organize your content manually using Connect. There have been a number of posts explaining how to do it by dragging-and-dropping shortcuts into the Content Library and arranging them there. I'm reinstalling all of my content using Connect and I'm able to put shortcuts and custom folders wherever I want. 

    This is a problem for me. I have no desire to use connect and have created custom folder in my Content/People folders to eliminate unneeded folders and have created folders to better orginize my runtime. I have no desire to do it again with the amount of content I have it would take weeks to get back to the point I am now. 

     

    Sorry that should have read 4.9. Becuase of my custom folders in the main content/people folder I will stay with 4.8, there just isn't enough added features to make it worth changing for all the headaches I can see it creating.

     

    Are you custom folders in the content library or smart content, because if they are the content library they will not change at all. Some people have had issues with updates wiping out custom categories in smart content, but updates will not effect orginazation of the content library

    I use DIM and download to a file where I unzip and then strip out all the junk like extra folders and folder images before installing them myself. With 4.9 the whole structure changes, at least that is what they said previously. I don't know if they changed the structure for content or for DRM. I keep hearing of issues form people who have installed 4.9 but then I hear from people suuch as yourself, are you an end user or do you work for DAZ?  Are you saying I won't have an issue because it worked for you? I am not willing to risk over a months worth of work to fix my floders. 

    DS4.9 doesn't touch folders and files which were installed previously.  Some people have had issues with Categories they had set up using the CMS, but files and folders on disk are not affected.

  • SassyWenchSassyWench Posts: 602

    Weekly freebie is out.. nice toll booth. But guess what? Encrypted! Nice, Daz :(

  • NathNath Posts: 2,941
    SassyWench said:

    Weekly freebie is out.. nice toll booth. But guess what? Encrypted! Nice, Daz :(

    Yeah, I saw that too.

    I sort of had to laugh at the item description, given its encrypted status: "Stop and pay your toll to advance further." Says it all.

    Anyway, thanks, but no, thanks.

  • shadowhawk1shadowhawk1 Posts: 2,203
    SassyWench said:

    Weekly freebie is out.. nice toll booth. But guess what? Encrypted! Nice, Daz :(

    Wiat a minute!! Didn't they say at the begining of this thread that they had no intention of encrypting the weekly and monthly freebies? Regardless the fact that they encrypted a freeie pretty much serves as a slap to everyone having issues with this right now. Guess that really shows us what they think. 

  • NathNath Posts: 2,941
    shadowhawk1 said:
    SassyWench said:

    Weekly freebie is out.. nice toll booth. But guess what? Encrypted! Nice, Daz :(

    Wiat a minute!! Didn't they say at the begining of this thread that they had no intention of encrypting the weekly and monthly freebies? Regardless the fact that they encrypted a freeie pretty much serves as a slap to everyone having issues with this right now. Guess that really shows us what they think. 

    It's also a test of the resolve of the nay-sayers if you like...

    And, umm, my answer is still 'no.pe.'

  • SassyWenchSassyWench Posts: 602

    That's my answer too. And a few other words that would probably break the TOS.no

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