No encrypted for me.
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i really don't care for connect. I purchased a drm item free yesterday morning and it has never appeared although other items have. It is slow as molasses chunking away. I much prefer dim for managing content. I dislike using content library.
What really worries me is that they said no content would be DRM-only, then they changed their minds saying that it was true at the time but things change.
They also say that Daz will never mine data from your PC using the Connect connection.... How long before that changes as well? Seems to me that Daz could potentially benefit a lot from data mining in order to see what products you're purchasing from other sites, or what you use the products for, etc etc. Using Connect is basically giving them the opportunity to create a free backdoor into your life (whether they take it or not).
They never said no content would be DRM only. They said "we have currently no plan to have DRM-only content in the near future", which is quite different.
When the first beta was released they even stated in the FAQ that new content would migrate to Connect-only at some point (they changed that to "may migrate" since then), and at the time all Connect content was to be encrypted.
O.K., so the DRM is now live and the first of the DAZ Connect-only encrypted content are in the stores. So assume that sales DON'T support the idea of keeping it in place, or what if the hackers DO manage to crack the DRM -- what then? DAZ must surely have considered those possibilities when they came up with the idea, and even if sales tank, the alleged piracy situation that supposedly mandated the need for DRM would presumably still exist. Does DAZ simply scrap the DRM and raise prices to offset the cost of the piracy? Do things simply go back to the way they were before, or is there some other -- possibly worse -- Plan B waiting to be implemented? What is the consequence of failure of the DRM scheme?
Well, considering several of the new releases for DRM items are men's specific clothing, I feel kind of screwed, because men's clothing is scarce I'm buying it anyway. I hate encryption, but there are so few items available for gen 3 male sold at the store, that I Can't pass up free or extremely inexpensive men's wear.
I don't think that is indicative though that people accept DRM. Just that some of us are a touch desparate to get stuff we can illustrate with.
I am in the same position
I am considering Gianni 7 pro & the extras even though I am utterly agains connect's encyption
I have the G3M/G2M clone so G2M can wear it too in Carrara but so far encrypted stuff resaved stuffs up its UV mapping but are cheap enough I may experiment more on that trenchcoat at least, re-rig an obj if neeeded
Except that you ARE accepting it. You may not like it, but if you purchase it, you are accepting it.
Given that the ones who made the choice about DRM probably never see anything but sales figures, they'll probably interpret any purchases as support of DRM.
Well, the far future arrived very quickly. Day 1 had "freebies" that were DC only. It hasn't been a week and there are non-freebies that are DC only. They are going to push hard to force people to DC. They have to justify all the time and expense in putting the system together. PAs are going to be hurt by this. Some people will refuse to buy from them thinking the PAs were endoring the DC only stance since some of their products were put out as DC only. PAs who make DS only content (scripts, cameras, lights, etc.) may get hurt because people will be looking at alternatives to DS because they don't want to be locked in to DC.
BTW: Thanks for the warning on the detective bundle. I might have bought it since the bundle itself isn't marked as DC only, which would have meant needing a refund.
Actually that is indicative that people accept DRM. You need the products - the products are DRM only - you buy them anyway. As far as Daz is concerned that indicates you're happy with DRM.
Saying "we have currently no plan to have DRM-only content in the near future" and then changing their minds a few weeks later is not quite different from what I said. Its virtually the same thing. The bottom line is still that their plans are subject to change at any time.
They don't currently plan to data-mine from your PC either. I'm assuming thats also potentially subject to change in the future.
That's why I'm refusing to buy anything used to promote the DRM. If PAs start complaining, maybe DAZ might listen. They're obviously not listening to their customers. Sorry to any PAs that lose sales because their product just happened to be used in a 'buy this and get this encrypted thing discounted' deal.
Interesting that the Poses for the Detective bundle are unencrypted. I wonder if DAZ has considered that encrypting Poses and Texture add on packs is a complete waste of time, as using Save Pose Preset As, and Save Material Preset As, will recreate the encrypted content as non encrypted completely.
To be fair, we complain about every change and they probably are banking on this being yet another thing lots of us raise a holy heck over and then... shrug and go along with anyway.
I suspect they've misjudged this situation, and this is going to have an impact prior changes have not. But, of course, previous times other folks have said the same thing. Guess we'll see!
For my part, I have a fairly limited interest in new stuff (like Genesis 3), a huge backlog of things I want to get (wishlist around 540 items), so ... for the conceivable future it doesn't inconvenience me much at all to just avoid encrypted-only content.
What I worry about is any effort, down the road, to start changing older content to encrypted-only, but it seems fairly unlikely that they will bother. (It's a lot of work, the benefit is limited on older stuff that has less demand, possible complications and more work with people who already own it)
Still... not sure what will suddenly seem like a good idea to management.
It's different in as much as they didn't make any promises not to do it at all, and what they said left them room to change their mind.
Now don't get me wrong, I don't exactly like the fact that they changed their mind on day 1 either. I can't say that I'm surprised by the "here are a few freebies / low cost items that work only with the new system, to make you try it" tactic though.
Ha ha! Yes, this so true Will. And I suspect that they'll be proven right in the long run because it sounds like a lot of people who claim to be opposed to DRM have still installed 4.9 and used Connect anyway due to the enticements.
At the end of the day Daz know that most people who make a big noise about this sort of thing will eventually compromise on their convictions.
@Leana - Thats true, they did leave some wriggle room, although the speed with which they changed their minds was quite staggering.
I'm more worried that they'll switch usable content to encrypted only at some point when the saturation is high enough. To clarify, my concern is that when we've accepted enough encrypted product, they might decided Studio 5.x will only use encrypted products, and older content just gets swept out of the store entirely. (I see them going back and encrypting some part of the older stuff, but they might decide that we don't need generation 3 stuff any more. Or just go to Genesis and later.)
You either care enough about DRM, or about male clothing. If you buy it, it only sends one message.
Of course, and when folks say no to DRM, then see something they like and so OK then, just this once (or whatever). Personally I think folks will fold. I'm gonna stop bothering. Time to get a refund on the credit if I can.
I care about both drm and men's clothing though. And if it is free or nearly so that isn't really conclusive. I pick up free items all the time that is indicative of nothing. I haven't bought a regular priced encrypted item. And don't foresee doing so.
It is probably correct to say my love of men's items does trump my detest I feel at drm though.
How many nearly free Connect-only offers that you can't pass up do you think there'll be though? Even if you are unhappy about DRM, taking up any of these offers will indicate to Daz that one more person is happy with DRM. Thats all they'll see.
I'm not saying don't do it - its entirely up to you whether you trust them enough to give them access to your PC - I'm just saying don't kid yourself that you're not supporting Daz Connect if you do.
'We have no plans' certainly leaves them wiggle room to decide anything they want. Or to make plans but not tell anyone. Or someone made plans and the people talking to us don't know about them.
The thing is? It undermines the use of that term as a defense EVER AGAIN.
Because the next time we complain about the possibility of X, and they say 'we have no plans'? We know exactly how little that means. Sure, no plans. Which might mean you decide tomorrow to do whatever it is we're worried about.
I am not really sure I agree. I think the litmus test will be whether people buy full priced connect only items. Not whether they buy free or nearly free connect items, because most individuals will do that.
.Encryption by itself doesn't bother me. It's all the other stuff I have to deal with before I can start playing again.
I don't have time for this.
They said it's really only an enhanced version of DIM moved into Studio. Nothing like ruining a good thing and making a bloated mess out of Studio that's now a database instead of a renderer.
Encrypt the files and authorize decryption in Studio like now.
Done.
Extra: Give us the ability to add our own tags to the files in DIM
I won't
For me, encrypted content is less value than unencrypted, so if it is offered at a massive discount I might be tempted, since I am buying less, for less. As others have said, the real test will be when we start seeing encrypted stuff at the standard 30% off, particularly if it is an item from a top PA, not just a DO buyout.
I would just like to get the stupid thing to work. Since now it doesn't run at all. Just stops with a spinning dial right before the error message appeared before.
I have bought a lot of content over the years so from my perspective I now buy out of pleasure rather than necessity. On that basis I have no need for DRM products and this means the casual purchases and impulse buys that might have tempted me before DRM will stop. Whether my custom interests DAZ who might be more interested in fresh customers who don't own the back catalogue I can't say but if this take it or leave it attitude spreads then that might influence whether DRM continues.
+10 - if you were truly and completely against it you would not purchase it no matter how badly you wanted. This is why stuff like this continues to happen. Because people say one thing then do another. If you scream bloody murder about it and then do it anyway because the enticements are right, you might as well have just not said anyting at all at best and have re inforced the concept that people will buy it if the incentive is right even if they don't like it at worst. And Daz doesn't care if you like it or not, all they care about is are you going to buy it. If you buy it (no matter what the reason) then its here to stay.
This. Wholeheartedly.
About a week ago that trenchcoat would have been in my cart before I could blink. Now? No.pe.
Does this mean there is going to be an exodus from the Windows operating system?
:0 I've been waiting for this for years!
What distro we all going to migrate too?
I like Opensuse and Gentoo alot :)
I'm not biting either. Attractive worm but I don't like the hook, so it's sad but I'll pass.