No encrypted for me.
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..yeah, haven't done much modelling as it is so frustrating when Hex just freezes up on me with no warning. I have to kill the process in Task Manager when that happens.
There are still certain effects and materials that I need to render in Poser although I use DAZ Studio and Reality for other things. Nevertheless, not being able to import .duf files into Poser at all any more severly limits their value for me. I had still been buying some G3 content, hoping that eventually comatibility might be achieved again but that seems to be a lost cause by now. I should really cancel my subscription, or perhaps buy a few remaining older items before doing so. Bad feelings about this overall, and judging by the number of views and replies to this discussion, it is not exactly only a select few customers who are annoyed by this move.
There are articles about why that happened over on that site. Very illuminating read on how the new Daz management works. But to be honest, I like Daz figures and sales a whole lot more than that site, so as long as good content is released unencrypted here, I'll keep buying it regardless of the politics.
Sorry for Oskarsson and Imaginary_House... great Trenchcord and Warehouse, which I immediately put in my cart (Bundle), until I saw that it is available only as "Encrypted Content". You've lost me as a customer. "Encrypted Content" means no deal for me.
Apart from that, DAZ should mark "Encrypted Content Only" on their store pages, so i save the time to check each product or to buy it by mistake and must give it back.
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They also have an update flag for the products, in the download section - unfortunately the vendors sometimes forget to set it so you won't see the product has been updated.
...bugger, finally a decent trench coat (been looking for one for years) and it's encrypted.
Luthbel made a nice trenchcoat with the Eldritch Seeker product for G2 male. I use it often.
...nice, but somewhat more period styled (30s Cthulu investigator) and a bit out of my budget. I just need a "generic" 60s styled trench coat like the one posted tonight, and at 1/3 the price, a lot easier on the old wallet.
I sure hope this isn't going to become an ongoing trend with DO content, or staying with the PC will no longer be worth the membership price.
Yeah. This occurred to me while looking at the various options this morning . There's still the PA content related coupon though.
I used to do the bulk of my 3D shopping here at DAZ because they often DO have the best content but now with this encryption situation having evolved, it's starting to appear that I will spend more time -and more money elsewhere.
I simply can't understand why a company will take a stance that alienates a good chunk of its long term customers as well as put itself in a vulnerable position as regards to its competitors and simply not care. Are they TRYING to put themselves out of business?
Has DAZ clarified what the deal is with bundles that are a mixture of encrypted only and non-encrypted content (such as the newly released detective bundle)?
They really need to be more transparent about encryption only products. Store filter is a no-brainer and should have been there from day one. in addition, a straightforward way to do it would be to enforce a CSS logo/watermark in one corner of the promo's, perhaps a padlock symbol or something else that's universally acceptable as a restricted/locked symbol, and then update their brand guidelines for promos so that said corner cannot have any other text. Another alternative would be to update the official watermarks and make them mandatory for PA's to use.
I also don't agree with the removal of the last few major versions. Can you imagine what it would be like if Microsoft had dropped support for IE9/IE10 as soon as IE11 was released? As a front end developer it would have made my life a hell of a lot easier, but there will always be customers that will need access to a couple of legacy versions. 3D software is no different, in some respects; I daresay a lot of people are still using XP or generally 5+ years old hardware that simply wouldn't be capable of running the latest and greatest.
I shan't be upgrading to 4.9 because I won't support software that supports permanently encrypted only content, regardless of the other benefits it provides. I've worked in the ICT industry for over 10 years and as other people have already repeated, DRM is a bad idea, though I really do sympathise with PA's that lose revenue due to piracy. I would like to one day become a PA for DAZ3D myself, but it would only be on the condition I wasn't forced to provide products with encryption, so I'll be continuing to watch this thread intently.
For info, I'm aware I've used DRM and encryption interchangeably - when files are permanently encrypted so that they can't be read/edited by someone, that's DRM in my opinion.
Yeah, I've had this email too this morning. It made me chuckle. Trying to cash in on what they obviously hope will be Daz's DRM-related demise. Very cheeky, but very funny.
I must admit... also very tempting.
Encryption is good, for example: would you want to make a payment over the internet without your card details being encrypted. It's a tool, and like any tool, it's use can have positive and negative consequences no matter the intent.
Why? Not important to anyone else, only the person doing it; there workflow is their own. This is like arguing with someone about how they hold their pen or brush. It works for them.
Gah!!! This is sooo tough. The Gianni 7 pro bundle is non encrypted. I can buy this without compromising my stance on DRM. This is good. But then DAZ tosses out that little detective mini -bundle (which is encrypted) go a 75% discount if I buy it with the Gianni bundle. It's male content. There's never enough male content. They are really trying to make this hard...
Must. Hold. Firm.
Ultimately, people's buying habits, not their posts will tell them what they think of DRM.
Certainly some clever frog boiling on DAZ's part. First the it's free, then 75% off, it's not too hard to imagine it will just be the norm on new releases by the end of February.
Okay, doing my best to remain calm and react reationally.
Installed 4.9. Started it up. Right out of the gate I get the error message below. Exactly what I was afraid of getting.
It came up right when I first launched. Is it normal for it to come up the first time? I don't recall it happening on my test machine.
What constitutes a "system change" so that I can avoid it in the future?
EDITED TO ADD:
And it seems like this error comes up every time I start DAZ. I have not tried rebooting yet.
Buying habits don't always offer valid data. I "bought" the first "free" encrypted items, just because a) they were free and b) I wanted to see if this encrypted content is of any use in 4.8.
It isn't. So I never downloaded the three items, as I stay with 4.8 . But sales department will say: She bought it, so she's interested in encrypted content.
Once again: Those products are DAZ ORIGINALS, not PA Products. Oskarsson and Imaginary_House had nothing to do with the fact that those are distributed as encrypted content. DAZ lost a sale (well, make that 2 since I would probably have bought the trenchcoat too had it not been encrypted), not them.
Since bundles are not distributed as a single file but add each product of the bundle to your library then each product should maintain their native encryption status.
I'm voting with my wallet; I haven't taken advantage of any offers that include DRM; if I take advantage of an offer because its a good deal, despite the 'free' extras, I won't add them to my cart. I have nothing against DRM in principle, but principles get sacrificed for expediency by companies; I don't know what Daz's intentions are, and that is the problem; they can be all genuine today, but tomorrow be something else.
I look on it that DRM enforces the T&Cs that states we are in affect - renting - the product. A lease without any way of knowing its duration, or when we will be forclosed on, is not to be trusted. Snake oil is not just sold by snake oil salesman.
If you never ever logged in it might be normal: I wouldn't be surprised if DS used the same error message to tell you that your key became invalid or that you simply don't have a key at all.
The kind of system changes that would make a key invalid are probablyhardware changes and maybe some windows updates that change the system's signature.
That's what I figured too...
However, as far as I can remember, this message never came up on my test computer. Only now on my actual working laptop.
And it continues to come up at every DS startup. Which is even more alarming.
I picked up the free encytpted content as well, but I am very reluctant to encoruage this for paid content. I am also tempted to start boycotting PAs tied to encrypted content. Even if DAZ purchased the content, if PAs feel the burn they may stop selling to DAZ or only sell to DAZ under the condition that the content is not encrypted. If we do not take a stance on this now, encryption will be here to stay for sure. It's now or never.
Edit1: Though it is tempting at 75% off. At least the poses are supposedly unencrypted - wonder if that was a mistake? Has anyone purchased them to see if they are actually available unencrypted?
Edit2: Regarding 64-bit versions of Bryce and Hexagon, they were likely written with only 32-bit systems in mind are would likely be extermely diffiuclty to port to 64-bit, so I doubt we will ever see 64-bit versions of them. :(
If it's a recent version of Windows, maybe try running it once as Administrator and connecting to DAZ during that session?
No luck on that either. I always run DS as Administrator due to having to pick which GPU the software is going to default to.
Indeed
Good news. Previous error message went away on the third entry.
Bad news, now I get this error message...
Except that this is the best time to say something, while it's still new. Before the ones responsible (I doubt it's anyone we'd know. This sounds like the decision of someone who either doesn't know or doesn't care what the marketplace thinks of DRM) decide to ramp things up. The game industry started small with DRM. Password checks, on-install authentication... when that didn't get the results they thought it should, they went to stronger and more onerous methods such as having to always have the install disc, having to always be online, or flat out rootkit installations. (The music industry on the other hand dove straight for the deep end. One might remember when Sony decided to put a rootkit on some of their music cds as a DRM method to keep pirates from ripping the disc to mp3.) There's a lot of good reasons to not want this DRM, and the best time to stop it is now before too much is invested in it. Otherwise the money guys who are pushing for it will keep pushing. The problem is that DRM is a game of diminishing returns. It makes a short term dent in piracy and then stronger and stronger methods have to be used to get less and less of a result. In a way, DRM is the software industry's drug habit.
And add Gianni 7 to things I will never purchase as it is being used to support the DRM.
Make sure you have the postgreSQL installed (and the other SQL - valentina conversion) - DIM should show, if you have: uninstall, delete and redownload and then install. In the help section there is a FAQ about it if you have issues.
It can be firewall issues I believe, or at least I seem to remember reading somewhere. The main 4.9 thread has some help getting it working.
I don't think this is the issue; why would I get the error message sometimes but not all times? DS should not be flipping back and forth between each of these messages if it was a single, consistent issue (like a lack of Postgre or a firewall.)
I did open a ticket, but I imagine it's going to be a while before I hear back.
Is this the "light-hearted" thread or the one adults can talk in? So confused. Maybe they should add tags to the top so I can discern the difference.(so the forums can be just as complicated as figuring out which products have which install methods, hah. Consistency. )
Anyway, I don't visit here much anymore, never read the forums anymore. Only skimmed a few pages last week after 4.9 came out. but I see things are about the same as months ago when 4.9 was in beta.
I'm not obligated to read each post in each thread, or anything like that. But I can have my own opinion. Which remains no DRM for me. I once said I could see getting it at 95% off, but after recent events not even then.
As neato as Daz Studio is, I can think for myself. Sorry I don't linger around here more, kinda pointless these days. The defense force is out in numbers, using any means needed to justify moderation.
And since all those other places are finally supporting the newer daz dollies, I can finally frequent them now :) Might even though out a few pennies to keep them funded.