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DAZ Connect content is encrypted, so if you switch over to DAZ connect from what you installed via DIM, that product will be encrypted from that point. So if you don't want it encrypted, update with DIM or manual install.
The description for the "Medieval Storage Room" actually says it is for DAZ 4.8, which is clearly not true as you will need 4.9 to install and use it.
As a side point, whilst this does not apply to the other two connect only products released today, the price on this one seems a bit out. 20$ for a simple square room, some barrels and a few sacks does not make half a new Stonemason product in my mind. This is not the fault of the PA that created it, since he/she does not determine the price, and who btw makes some great stuff at proper prices, but I suspect this was priced that way as it was intended that people will pick it up for free (as did I as the reward for buying M7 and V7 pro packs today)
Right, they probably will change it in the future. I'm not saying further patches will be okay to upgrade to if you want to keep using your old stuff, just that 4.9 doesn't have anything in it to lock you out or refuse to load the content you already bought from Daz or elsewhere. As you (and Daz) said, there's no point encrypting old content because everyone already has it. Sooner or later it probably will all be DRM content - but that and using 4.9 are two different things.
I'm not saying it's great (I don't like it at all) just that IF someone does want some feature of 4.9 but doesn't want Connect, they are never forced to sign in in order to continue to use their existing, installed content. The shop tab only works once you log in, so don't, close the tab and never look at it again. Connectivity-wise, at that point it is the same as 4.8 with the new features.
DEFINITELY THIS!!!
Creeping featurism! or
"What's the big deal? It's just one more thing..."
straws, backs, camels anyone?
My understanding is that only DAZ Connect Only content is encrypted, not content installed through DAZ Connect (I hope I am right about this)
Yup. In the very first beta everything was encrypted, but that changed after a few builds (I assume once testing was done.)
On the store page if it has Daz Connect as one of several options it's fine. If it has (SHIELD) Encrypted Daz Connect, it's encrypted.
Seriously, they said no plans for Connect only content, and there are three items the day they release 4.9.
Yeah, because they're trying to sell the idea to us and see how many will pick it up. I didn't buy any of it, but I'm also not that bothered.
Now if tomorrow all the new releases are also encrypted (not as part of a "freebie" deal) then something is wrong and we can run around screaming.
My wallet is going to love DAZ Connect only items.
w ... will the sky actually fall? ^^
GOODBYE DAZ! You have lost a customer here. I will NOT be downloading 4.9. I will be making my last purchases of a few older items in my wishlist today, which will mark the very last dime I ever spend with you. Then I will be cancelling my PC+ membership as well.
So I know this has been asked a million times but ive never seen the definite answer. Im wrapping up a project that, hopefully, I will be able to sell on DAZ. As a vendor (again, hopefully) will I be able to choose which download methods are available for my product?
Oh, look: the first items I WON'T be buying -- EVER.
"Currently", "at the moment", and "for the foreseeable future" just ain't what they used to be.
I find it really curious that I've seen this question asked a million times but never seen any sort of answer or even acknowledgement of the question while so many others are answered.
I am still using 4.8 and DIM for installs, I have tried the 4.9 Beta but not the Connect feature, next week I will have my new computer ready for use, do I want to stick with 4.8 or move on to 4.9 and the connect features. There is so much mumbojumbo in the forums and threats of "I refuse to use this or spend my money here" that I can't find the simple pros and cons of the new system, So....
Here is my simple question and I would like a simple answer from someone who is already using DS 4.9 and the connect features:
What am I gaining or losing by moving up to DS 4.9 and Connect, or using 4.9 but sticking with Dim?
I don't have 4.9 installed but I installed Medieval Storage Room via Dim and have access to it and the other two Connect only items in 4.8!!
I asked this question in a couple of threads I would like to know is all the older stuff for daz4.8 and for g2f I had in my wish list, is that going to require me to use daz connect if I buy them now?. or will I be able to still purchase & and install them with zips for daz 4.8? Because I been trying to get the stuff off my wish list I have no interest in daz connect or 4.9, and if i can't finsh clearing my wish list out with out having to use connect them I'll just delete my wishlist
I have about 50% of my wishlist on discount today so Im going to try to get as much of them as I can if I don't need daz connect.
No. Download methods are not in our control. The choice is to opt into all of them, or broker elsewhere. Although, I would think if they wanted to make any of our items Connect only without our consent, there would be issues. I see no indication of that happening.
There is a difference between having the ability to download an unecrypted versions via DIM and being able to have an unencrypted version via DAZ Connect. This really needs to be clarified. I suspect though that Male-M3dia is correct and that if it is downloaded via DAZ Connect it will be encrypted. Or at least that should be the assumption without further clarification. If it could be either then I would love to have an option to only use DAZ Connect to download unencrypted content.
You're right, how bizzare, I had not thought to check. Downloading them now.
"No answer is still an answer" ;) You bet you can't decide, or it will simply not be attractive to chose the DIM way (like smaller shares, whatever). Many ways to convince you to release it for DRM only.
Ah well, "sorry" to rant against the DRM, but really, it happened way too often to me that I dished out good money for something that got more or less useless at some point, simply because of DRM or having to register any time something is changed on the computer (working with VMs, Windows, Linux, WINE, my "computer" changes like every day in one way or another).
There is zero benefit for me as a user, actually only drawbacks, so why should I be happy to use it?
I would be perfectly fine with selling through connect so long as I could also sell through DIM and manual D. My concern is that DAZ would put my product up for sale as connect only. I dont want to exclude people simply because of their download methods. All download options would be great.
If you don't use Connect there will be products and eventually most if not all of them (later if not sooner) that you won't be able to use at all. Period. End of Story.
If you use Connect you must use Smart Content which is now so complex by what I've read in the Docs that it doesn't seem so smart anymore.
Because Connect uses the cloud it's possible to only have installed what you want to use now and wait to install other stuff 'til you need it (we can do that on our own now and I do). This is better for harddrive space--no zips to keep around or backup--but it will be a drain on bandwidth. I see no advantage to it over using DIM. None.
You can still use all of your older stuff that is not Connect but they said DIM is 'eventually' going away.
You should be okay. The older stuff should still be available to download if you purchase now. No problem.
FIrst, let me tell folks who haven't installed it: I installed 4.9 and what a surprise, I clicked the yes when the computer asked permission, it never asked me where to install it TO, and it installed with the 4.8 studio folder! It does NOT replace your 4.8. Kharma, I think what you gain is very fluid functionality of seeing all your products in each category and what you do not have installed. Then simply go to DIM and download/install them until you see what benefit it is to use Connect. I'm not able to think of any reason to use it. The functionality of the Smart Content is what led me to try 4.9.
It's also neat to see the store in the studio.
BTW- it kept ALL MY CUSTOMIZING. Love it! I haven't tried the Iray yet to see if the blue tint is a wow factor, but will love getting rid of the orange, ruddy Gen 3's.
Ivy- they have said the content that is DIM downloadable will stay that way. They may add Connect as an option, but they are not taking DIM off any products, nor edit- taking it away for quite some time, nothing specified. They have said that repeatedly.
With the exception of those three promotional items today, all content downloaded through Daz Connect will be unencrypted on your system. Only items which only have a Daz Connect install available may be encrypted, and it indicates such on the product page.
Novica, there are benefits to using Daz Connect in the case you want to try it. One of those is less impact on your bandwidth and faster upgrades to products. For instance, if Genesis 3 Male gets an update, it will only need to download the files that changed (so, as in the last update, a few megabytes) as opposed to the entire package (~300 MB if I remember correctly). Another is on both new products, and older products (we're working through them with a goal to have everything in the store have accurate meta data), live meta data updates so you always have the latest and most accurate Daz provided metadata, to make finding your content easier. Daz Connect will get them immediately as it can grab the latest meta data from Daz as they are done as opposed to waiting for a package update, which usually means waiting for a more substantial change than just meta data to justify redownloading the entire product through Install Manager or manually.
DAZ_John, can you look at http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/69758/importing-existing-content-into-ds-4-9 and comment on it? Also, does 4.9 replace 4.8 or can we have them installed side by side?
I have my DS 4.8 installed to C:/ Program Files which is where I thought programs have to be installed, all my purchased content is on my external E:/ drive...if I install the 4.9 update through DIM will it not automatically overwrite my 4.8 install as all updates in the past have done? How did you who have both copies achieve this? I may just wait until the new system is ready and start clean with 4.9 and install DIM to d/l or maybe just try Daz Connect instead, a more streamlined approach would be nice instead of having to maintain 2 programs to do the job of one.