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If you have this product you can use all your precious 3D-Age clothing on GF3
https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofitting-clones-and-clothing-smoothers-for-genesis-3-female-s
And by the way, if you folks say that you never get things work well on V4 that is not a good argument because that means: V4 clothes work not well on V4 so it is natural that G3F clothes work not good on G3F.
I am not new to this. That is the problem, you guys seems to think that I was starting rendering last week or so, I started with this back in 2010 and I know that not everything is and can be perfect but in my opinion it is not getting better whith this new technology compared to V4. I do not say that G3F is not good, sure there is progress but in some cases there is no progress and that is not understandable and one should have the right to criticize this without being portrayed as stupid beginner from you folks.
A lot of times the older morphs don't come over at all, or so well. Its a bit hit or miss from my experience. Not sure the science behind why some morphs translate and some dont.
No, I said Genesis works better than V4. Don't spin things around. The argument is that V4 was never as perfect as some people try to paint it. She had her own issues. And many would argue clothes for the newer figures works well for them.
You just need more grounded expectations of what you can get from a (relatively) low priced piece of stock art. And you generalize a ton. Which doesn't help. If you know a vendor doesn't add morphs, and you want morphs, stop buying from them.
Even when they put a ton of morphs in they don't always fit my needs. So I still end up making my own custom adjustments. This is to be expected.
BTW I still hate the quote system.
The only thing I will say on this subject. I made clothing for V4 for years... and all three generations of Genesis for a few years now. Genesis wins, handsdown. This is the reason why I don't make clothing for V4 anymore. The thing the OP fails to grasp is that, when youre dealing with polygons and also smoothing tech with collision detection, you have to allot for something of a gap... otherwise, your backside poly will poke into the front side and leave a dark/black mark on render. If we released clothing that had that, I can only imagine how upset people would be. Perhaps they would grasp it better, if they made commercial clothing for Genesis.
Does it mean its perfect? Nothing really is. Ive done a fair amount of content of all different kinds in my 12 yrs... you will never achieve perfect. Not with any of it.
The only way for a article of clothing to be an absolutely perfectly fit... is a second skin, where its painted on. And even then, it will most likely look like its painted on.... which isn't perfect.
Folks
I am not an idtiot and I have this product:
https://www.daz3d.com/wear-them-all-autofitting-clones-and-clothing-smoothers-for-genesis-3-female-s
panties for example do not work (crotch region) and some pants and skirts also not. It is a converting issue. Parts of the crotch region (original V4 clothing) gets converted to the legs and that leads to bad results if you for example spread the legs. On V4 the crothe sides for example did no move if you spread the legs of V4 but they do if you spread the legs of G3F that is the problem.
To this point, we have a few items that try to make a perfect fit by using the "Hide Faces when fitted" gimmick. I remember the first time I got an item like that and I thought it was a bug. To this day we have what seems like one complaint/inquiry a month about a product that auto hides faces. people don't like that either.But that was one approach making it a perfect fit (and not everyone loves it)
I'd rather have a small gap I can fix myself if needed. Its the lesser of 2 evils.
Cosmo fix that typo.
Yeah, its funny when you think about it too. The gaming industry builds clothing directly onto the model, so the clothing polygons are the actual figures polygons where they crossover. For whatever reason, here in DAZland, its unacceptable by the community.. because the community at large just isn't used to that at all (I admit, its a foreign concept to me too) And sometimes, you just cant get away without it (such as the case with mermaids)
But a small gap to me, is a non-event, also. Esp when there are adjustment morphs. I can kind of understand the upset in the absence of those, But A: I think the majority of clothing ppl add them in... and B: there are still ways around it (using Dformers, or goz and pulling it in) Tho, you may still get pokethru if you close the gap, once smoothing kicks in. Its just one of those things... you do the best you can.
There is another way...insane number of polys. A fine enough mesh will do it. Look at some of fantastic zbrush work....millions of polys on a static mesh.
Well ZBrush renders arent generally rigged (I know of nothing that can handle that amount of poly lol) and they definitely dont have auto-collision and smoothing to contend with. But lets just say theoretically... even if something had a bazillion polys, if you have a backside, it has smoothing enabled and it touches Genesis... it will still poke thru the frontside. It helps to fit better for sure... it hugs curves better, it morphs better in general. But its still gonna act the same way in that respect... its just the nature of the beast.
Well that is a bummer, I was meaning to pick this product up soon, might have to stick with the old way, autofit to GF2, then save and then autofit to GF3. Not perfect, but better than nothing.
Most of my early modeling was for games. So very familiar with this concept. As mjc1016 says it's largely about resources.
Reason it doesn't work so well for Daz/poser users is simply usage. If the clothes autohide parts of the mesh I later want to show, it limits what I can present. If I wanted to have part of the clothing use a mesh material and not the default leather, it's not as easy to pull off if the geometry is hidden. Stuff like that.
I had some nice hotpants that looked great. But when I changes the material I saw her skin was gone. Wasn't going to be able use transparencies now :( In games, we would paint the mesh and skin into the material. But normally would avoid that in dazland.
Mermaids make sense of course, really no need to show those legs.
Exactly!
I have the product, I think it's fine. I had the same problem with the default autofit on some items. It's random. Have you not had some morphs that no longer work when you use autofit? (mostly from gen4 i think)
Just to better explain.... I made a little diagram. Imagine the blue line is the backside (what sits on Genesis skin) And the red side is the frontside, which is slightly off the blue line (giving the item thickness) The green circle is the collision/smoothing zone. Now imagine it has falloff that occurs on the outer edges, where its affect zone is weakest (but the center is the strongest) Sort of just like Dformers work.
What will happen is, the zone takes hold of the backside... but not really the front side (tho it depends largely on the thickness of the mesh here. Really thin will fail to have the thickness that gives 3D clothing its 3D look... really fat will just look like its too fat. So you aim for a happy medium) So what happens is that it pushes the blue zone onto Genesis (so theres no pokethru there) But the red zone pretty much stays put.... so the poly of the blue zone pokes thru the red zone.
The only way to fix that, is to move it en masse a mm in the geometry... which often causes a very small, practically non-existent gap. Or opt to have smoothing off. Its a tradeoff tho... with smoothing off, you are sure to incur pokes in odd places. So you either deal with that, or a slight gap.
have it
low priced? here? the great fitting outfits by outoftouch, rhiannon, rpublishing and 3d-age at rendo are low priced not the products you can get here at daz
Part of the problem is the type of modeling this is...both the red and the blue are two separate surfaces and the space between them is just space. If they were the 'limits' and the volume between them was the material, we wouldn't be having this problem.
one part of the question in the headline was "can we expect...in the near future?" means how long does it take that we can get much more clothing for g3f? AND I MEAN NOT BIKINIS
Guess that depends on the vendors and whether you like what they are making. It can take awhile to make a detailed outfit and then go thru DAZ Quality Control to the store, so you might want to be more specific on what you mean by "near future". They could all be busy working on GM3 addons, if so, it will take longer for more GF3 clothing. Look at the timeline for clothing for GF2 and that should give you an idea what to expect.
Lets remember to keep the posting civil and direct your statements to the subject rather than an individual.
Do you mean, if the mesh were solid inside instead of hollow? Unfortunately, thats how all mesh is - hollow inside. Otherwise, it would tap on a lot of unused poly (and very probably render time/app instability)
Yes, defined as a solid...much like CAD programs do.
I said relatively low priced because they are. People think that products that take dozens if not 100 hours of work are overpriced at $30. I encourage people to try and make assets themselves so they can see how cheap these things really are(compared to the time it would take to make from scratch).
The stuff at rendo is often cheaper for reasons. I'm not going to start that discussion. But keep in mind as someone said, there are reasons why some people use other networks.
And lets not bring up turbosquid again and its thousand dollar unrigged meshes
I am sincerely grateful I found her site very early on.
Lars: I'm still amazed by the bear that costs $200 and the spaceship that costs $1500.
Lordie.
the bear doesn't even have an autofit clone...