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Some how I got around all that, at first that's how it treated me. If it wasnt for the fact I can do most of what I want to do with it I would have left it long ago. However there are times I want something more modern and updated and something that addresses the issues I do have with the software...
but the bridge is a huge time saver for me. Not having to remember the export settings for two programs just to make a fast hair morph is nice.
But for modelling sometimes I occasionally want more, but I end up finding tools that keep Hex useful (on accident).
That's Anna...a quick sculpted morph I did this evening...and for how little time it took I think she came out pretty nice. And no, didn't go for 'extra' details...but after I brought her back in, the few detail morphs that are included with G3F sure made the morph 'pop'. So some 'standard' HD morphs CAN enhance any 'DIY' morph.
And yes, she'll be going up on ShareCG in the next 24 to 48 hrs (depends on how long it takes to get the renders done...spending more time fitting clothes than rendering).
thanks for explaining. I'm not familiar with what is available for G3F right now so not sure what I was looking at. I've not really had much time yet!
I see people talking about less geometry as if it's a bad thing. If you look at G3 and how beautifully she bends, this is because the mesh is really beautifully efficient, in my humble opinion. When you model, you can make things look smooth by adding more geometry (most people fall to subdivision for this) or by understanding edge flow and have mesh that not only looks smooth, but it can deform better, all while conserving geometry. That to me is the sign of a great model maker.
The feet got some remarkable attention in this version as well. We now have a heel bone and the foot has a more realistic curve when bent as well as more control for the toes. In addition to the tarsals, the hands also now have better metatarsals. I'm really thrilled with so much about this figure.
For me this is a reason to never buy anything ever again.
You don't want us to create our own morphs, only Daz store morphs allowed (except low poly morphs).
I see, people would share them on the internet for free and buy less stuff.
Maybe some artists stay despite such tactics, but if you think you can ever conquer game devs while doing such stuff, good luck...
The tools are developed with the openly available Daz SDK. There's nothing stopping you or anyone else from downloading the SDK and creating a script to allow HD morph import.
...however where the extra geometry is really important is the face for facial expressions that don't look hideous.
Also increasing Sub_D also increases the geometry load.
...and one more thing, if one doesn't have the head and body morphs, there is really little point to installing G3F because without the morph packages, what can you really do with it?
A perfect pic for the topic.
Not sure if you're addressing the less geometry topic here, KK. Faces generally have a higher density of geometry than the rest of the body due to the details and that was all thought out here with G3. If you look at the expressions you can make with her, the face deforms quite nicely.
Increasing subd does increase the load, which is why with G3 being more efficient, when you use higher subd that most people render at in Studio, you end up with less load and yet a better looking figure.
Oh Wow, I think I'm in love with her....... :-)
She poses and animates better than any Model I've come across and it really brings her to life in a way that transcends things like polygons and render engines.
The artist/artists that worked on this have really outdone themselves.
Also, without much effort, you can change her shape with just the base G3F.
Thanks! I already took a look and saw that development resumed at some point last year. Minor update so far... still worried since I got the burn when I purchased it some time ago. Had an account frozen over it and all that stuff.
But when I used it, it seemed like it had a lot of potential and was logical and just what I needed. I can't stand Blender, loved 3DS Max but not going to pay that money. Hexagon works but will never get a proper update.
Hexagon/Daz bridge keeps me using it. Will keep an eye on Silo...thought it was perma-dead.
Uhm ... I don't know which version you have - but I had an older, 32bit one and just downloaded the new trial version and when I installed that - bingo - the trial went to working version with my serial I had put into the old version.
So maybe you don't have to purchase it ...
If you have the old installers it is worth a try.
Not sure if you're addressing the less geometry topic here, KK. Faces generally have a higher density of geometry than the rest of the body due to the details and that was all thought out here with G3. If you look at the expressions you can make with her, the face deforms quite nicely.
Increasing subd does increase the load, which is why with G3 being more efficient, when you use higher subd that most people render at in Studio, you end up with less load and yet a better looking figure.
...however I rarely if ever use Sub_D on anything (even props) because my scenes tend to be fairly complex and therefore heavy geometry-wise already. I only have 11 GB of available memory and like to keep everything in physical memory when rendering as swapping really bogs the process down. I find reducing LOD on distant items works just as well
...however I rarely if ever use Sub_D on anything (even props) because my scenes tend to be fairly complex and therefore heavy geometry-wise already. I only have 11 GB of available memory and like to keep everything in physical memory when rendering as swapping really bogs the process down. I find reducing LOD on distant items works just as well
Honestly, all the figures will look better with SubD if you're doing closeups. If I remember correctly, most of what I've seen you do are medium shots, so you should be ok with the lower subd and she will still look quite good because the base is so well done (again, my opinion).
aggree: try to make a "scratch-the-back-of-the-head" pose. Never worked on any figure, without nasty creases, disobeying fundamental real-life posing rules (you just cannot side-side a forearm without breaking it) or cheating postworks, works easyley on G3 :)
I also do like the introduction of the "upper Chest" bone. Has allways been an issue, if you tried to make a "look-up-to-the-sky" pose. Used to result in a big throat bulge. In real life it is also impossible to do that without bending the upper chest back. So, this is a very good step forward towards realistic posing.
Well done DAZ :)
...however I rarely if ever use Sub_D on anything (even props) because my scenes tend to be fairly complex and therefore heavy geometry-wise already. I only have 11 GB of available memory and like to keep everything in physical memory when rendering as swapping really bogs the process down. I find reducing LOD on distant items works just as well
Honestly, all the figures will look better with SubD if you're doing closeups. If I remember correctly, most of what I've seen you do are medium shots, so you should be ok with the lower subd and she will still look quite good because the base is so well done (again, my opinion).
Well if I had the resources to retool my entire library maybe I'd think differently however I already have quite an investment in G1/G2 (not to mention Gen4, and Aiko 3) that was difficult enough to acquire on my meager income. I have spent a good deal of time as well creating the custom characters for my stories with what I already have.
Basically (and I'm not joking) to buy into a whole new generation line would require a windfall of some sort as this is just becoming too expensive for my budget anymore. Crikey I cannot even afford the G3 body & head morphs, and now with the expressions being a separate product, I'm looking at a minimum 30$ outlay just to make the basic figure useful,.
...and that doesn't even include the Base Vicky7 or the Pose builder Bundle (so I have some base poses to work with and can at least use my G2F poses).
Close to that. From the animation standpoint she is really an improvement. What I had to hide with G2F now can be shown :)
But there is another thing that prevents to adopt her immediately - absence of G3M. Hope DAZ will not wait 6 months and release it at least in August (or better next month). One of the strengths of Genesis 1 was immediate availability of both genders in single base, now waiting for male makes you to decide to either delay your project or to sacrifice the possible quality improvements.
HD morphs are stored in binary files. Contrary to DSON this format is not documented. One could reverse engineer it but I afraid it would be a violation of DAZ EULA.
I just want to add my agreement to this tiny murmur of dissent. It's also why I haven't bought much Genesis 2 content.
How are the UV maps, particularly in the trunk and limbs, different from G1 and 2? I ask because vascularity is important to me in my work. The existing vascularity packages (both bump and morph based) are not anatomically correct, so I had been creating my own displacement maps for G1 and 2. How do G3's material zones differ in that regard?
Well, I'm going to hold off on this G3F for now.
I have way too much G2F and G1 to want to make another shift right now. And I know from experience that morphing from G1 to G2 doesn't always work right. I'm betting it will be the same to G3.
Also I don't do animations, so what seems to be the primary improvement of G3 doesn't matter to me.
Arms and legs are now separate maps. Also oriented differently.
Torso is not so different.
Face has little more resolution for face itself. Ears are now on the same map with face (for G2F they were with torso).
So now we basically need 4 sets of maps: face, torso, arms, legs instead of 3 (face, torso, limbs) in prev generations. Also there are less material zones.
Arms and legs are now separate maps. Also oriented differently.
Torso is not so different.
Face has little more resolution for face itself. Ears are now on the same map with face (for G2F they were with torso).
So now we basically need 4 sets of maps: face, torso, arms, legs instead of 3 (face, torso, limbs) in prev generations. Also there are less material zones.
Ah, I see. Thank you for that. Well, there goes any hope of adapting my previous work to V7.
Actually, we have assortment of figures to choose from:
1. V4 is still the most supported (not here, sadly :) ) with tons of stuff.
2. G1 can be morphed into anything. Monsters live here :)
3. I always had mixed feelings about G2 figures but finally they've got corrective morphs on par with V4 plus have more articulation points.
4. G3 is best for animation
So choose what fits your requrements.
V4 UVs for G2F were out within a week from G2F release. Technically nothing prevents PAs from making V4 or G1,2 UV sets for G3F. After all, these figures are all human females :)
Let's see :)
V4 UVs for G2F were out within a week from G2F release. Technically nothing prevents PAs from making V4 or G1,2 UV sets for G3F. After all, these figures are all human females :)
Let's see :)
Good point. Time shall tell, I suppose.
One good thing about all of this is that hair seems markedly improved as generations progress... hair being the Achilles heel of 3D, imho. And since the human head is basically a uniform shape, latter day hair will be adaptable to many meshes by using it as a prop. So, that's something.
V4 UVs for G2F were out within a week from G2F release. Technically nothing prevents PAs from making V4 or G1,2 UV sets for G3F. After all, these figures are all human females :)
Let's see :)
Actually, technically they CANNOT do that. G3F/V7 doesn't just use a different UV set, it uses a different system. For example, limbs are on one map for G2, but they are on two maps for G3. There is no mechanism in DAZ Studio that allows combining parts of two UV maps into one. The only way I see would be a texture converter that actually renders new new textures based on the G2 set and the new layout. That would be possible (similar to the Generation 3 to 4 converter in the store) but far more complex and the results are not always good.
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TD
Actually, this was one of the most helpful explanations as to why this might be an improvement. Thanks, a-sennov! You've made me more interested in G3 than I thought I would be. Are you sure you don't work for DAZ? :ohh:
Also waiting for G3M.
Thanks I had the steam version since it was so cheap, but I returned it long time ago (before steam had returns). So during that whole refund process Steam threatened to ban me and locked my account for a day or two disallowing me to play any games I collected over the years. Sour taste in my mouth.
But yeah once I get some time I'll see how the new version is.
Same reason why we never had V3 UVs for Genesis, for example: it's perfectly possible to UV-map the mesh to use those maps, but you would need to change the material zones boundaries.
The best option would be a texture converter which would transform the textures themselves,
edit: cross-posted ;)
Don't take that marketing BS about 'different system'. PTex IS different system and is supported by Studio but none of the products use it. What G3F uses is another UVs that are more 'compatible' to current style of doing things in 'big' CG. Nothing more. And nothing prevents her from using other UV sets or systems for that matter - she's just 3d mesh, vertices and polygons, no more, no less.
You can export G3F to Hexagon and apply say spherical UV projection on her, then import UVs into studio. And miracle will happen - she will be using only one single texture for everything :)
Ah, I see. And I see a solution: Layered Image Editor. This will be relatively small amount of polys suffered from this problem and textures have enough white space to map them there and overlay needed parts from others. Makes things more complicated, thou :)