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I'm already getting notices in the Windows Update dialog when I do my updates for my virus protection.... kinda cool that it's letting me know I'm in the loop!
I have been working with windows machines and unix machines almost my entire life. I started with windows 3.1 with I think it was at the time a 14.4 modem. I loved it. I got Windows 95 and fedora and a 28.8 modem, loved them too. Windows 98 and 98 SE came out and I was blown away. I think I was using a version of red hat at the time. The first time I hated an operating system was Vista. The second time it was Windows 8. And now with 10 coming out in a month. I won't be upgrading. No feature is worth having to learn that mess of an operating system which will probably only have a shelf life of maybe a year and a half before they release the next CF OS. You know what, that's 10 should be called. Windows CF for Cluster, you can guess the rest.
I would rather go back to using DOS and typing in all of the commands manually than use 10. At least with DOS you know it won't have any needless features and it will only do what you tell it to.
Does anyone really need or want Kortana. I don' know t about anyone else but I already have enough women in my life who don't listen to a word I say. I don't need one on my desktop.
...was on the tech forums earlier and now have reservations about the "free" Win 10 update.
Basically if you upgrade to the free Home version of 10 you cannot turn auto updates off This is not good for the following reasons.
First, MS updates often reboot the system automatically. The last thing I need is to have an overnight render job aborted because of this.
Second It does not allow you the choice to defer updating or manually download/install updates. Also bad as there have been cases where updates had bugs or instabilities that could cause a number of issues from application conflicts to the dreaded BSOD. It also means that you will not have the option to choose which updates to install.
So in some cases, "free" may not be as good a price as it sounds.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/1/8696949/windows-10-feature-loss
Thanks for the first look/feedback.. :)
Phht, looks to me it still has that ultra drab and boring look that tech-trendy office managers love so much...Can you at least customize the dull out of it? And, oh yes, I will be getting it (Native VR capabilities/support count me in!) just would love to be able to customize under the hood as the uffkin' trend seems to favor anti-customizable and bland GUIs in both browsers and OSes.. :-/
Not bothered there as this machine has 7 Pro, so I'd upgrade to Pro. That's if I want to. I'll keep checking here to see if it's worth it. It is inevitable though that Microsoft will eventually withdraw support for 7 in the same way they did for XP.
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Windows 7 extended support will end in January 2020 (at least that the information one can find on life cycle web page):
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/lifecycle?C2=14019
That's alright then. Microsoft might have moved onto Doors by then!
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...Win7 will continue to receive security support for the next five years. Who knows, maybe by then Daz will fully support Linux and I'll have learned out how to become a "sysop" so I can configure and maintain the OS and as well as keep it up to date.
The difference is Newegg will offer WIn10 Home (which will support up to 128GB) for 109$, possibly less on any given sale, while a Win7 Pro OEM goes for about 140$ and I'll have to do a full clean install on the C: drive (hopefully I won't have to reinstall all my content which is on the D: drive).
My copy of 7 Pro cost me £50.35 and it is genuine. Shop around and see what you can get.
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...that's a twist, by the exchange rate you only paid 77USD.
Can't find it here in the States for under 125$ Going to have to stick with an OEM as MS no longer sells Win7 and what few copies still remain of the retail version (most on Amazon) are over 400$! :ohh:
Not going to deal with that icky UI of 8 even though it is cheaper and the "Home" version supports up to 128GB of physical memory..
Greetings,
I have the little 'Upgrade to Windows 10' button on my desktop also... I'm very tempted, but I will have to check what my version is. The auto-updates may be a blocker; I can't trust Windows to not reboot in the middle of a render session. :( You'd think using 100% of the CPU would count as 'active', but it turns out it almost always just goes by 'is the user typing or moving the mouse'... :(
I'd like to know if Iray works. Specifically with an nVidia card. I ask because drivers are always a problem with a new OS version, and the drivers are needed to get maximum GPU use out of Iray... In fact, the GPU is the only reason I have a Windows box at all...
-- Morgan
That probably didn't include shipping from Germany and I can't remember what I paid for that. There may be programs like Classic Shell that might make the interface a little more palatable. We'll see...
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...yeah but that (as well as getting the start button/menu back) cost extra and by then I'm almost at the same price as the Win7 Pro OEM.
When I built my system 12 GB was a lot of memory (keep in mind my notebook only had 4 and being 32 bit only 2 GB was available for running applications which was eaten up fast when rendering). Back then even an OEM of 7 Pro was much more expensive as well. I also got my version of Win7 Home edition through a free upgrade deal from VIsta 64.
This may be all moot however, and I will be stuck with only 12 GB as I just discovered that the 24 GB memory kit available at Newegg which is compatible with my MB (DDR3 1333) is no longer available (also out of stock at other vendors I checked). They suggest a DDR 1600 kit but my board is only rated for DDR 1333, 1866 (overclocked), and 2000 (overclocked). I don't overclock anything as I don't do games and it shortens the lifespan of the components involved. Not thrilled about dealing with ebay as you can never be certain of what you will be getting and I don't want used memory that is closer to the end of it's service life.
Ouch, that's a shame. Classic Shell is a free utility, I used it with 8 and had a full 7 start menu. I have absolutely no plans to upgrade anything I have. My memory is 1600 and as I have nothing else which requires a lot of memory I'm sure I can continue with the 16gb I have. Iray just takes up hard drive space for me. If I want to use anything other than 3Delight I have Lux which will use my GPU. Besides, I'm now getting what I want out of 3Delight and don't plan on using anything else for the foreseeable future.
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...yeah, don't think my MB can run in Dual Channel mode the way the memory slots are configured.
I have a real love/hate relationship with the tech curve. In this case it's "hate" as it pretty much means I have to build an entirely new system. If that is the case, may as well go SOTA again, with an x99 dual LGA 2011 socket MB, dual 8 core Xeons, that supports 128 GB of DDR4 memory in quad channel mode, dual SSDs (500 GB & 1TB) and a pair of Nvidia GTX980TI GPUs. (5600 CUDA Cores which will let me work in Iray interactive mode).
...oh, and a retail OEM of WIn10 Pro so I can have control over updating.
Just have to scrape up the 5,500$ to build it.
Funny my new machine has 8.1 I installed the shell for 3days but just have all the programs to my metro start easy ! I do want to make sure all will run well before going 10...
If everything I want to work will and I know that there will be proper drivers for everything I have maybe I would consider upgrading. It's annoying that the upgrade is only free for a year as that is not enough time for a service pack to come out. I bet if we wait for one we'd end up paying for 10.
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I've already had to uninstall the update that enables the Get Windows 10 from a few computers. I had to reinstall windows on one because the update that had the Get Windows 10 Failed Several Times causing windows to no longer boot.
If the first thing you have to do after installing an OS is Uninstall or Disable a bunch of features that you don't want. In my opinion its not worth having.
I just uninstalled the update from all 5 of the active computers in our house. Think it's pretty sneaky of MS to do that and lost even more respect for them.
Ouch! That's the trouble with downloads and installs that you can't control. Probably why I don't trust nor use the DIM.
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What does Microsoft and DIM have to do with one another? DIM you can customize what you want to see. Windows update and MS you can't automatically.
Your comparison makes no sense. They are not the same and you can control what you download with DIM and where to install it to.
I use DIM exclusively when I can. I even convert my Runtime DNA, Renderosity, Hivewire 3D, freebies to DIM. I even create the DIM thumbnails for them.
To compare DIM to the way Microsoft does things is to one day notice that DIM was installed without your knowledge on your computer(s) and you are then forced to do things the DAZ 3D/DIM way. None of that comes close.
Oh, well, shows how much I use it then.
Your comparison makes no sense. They are not the same and you can control what you download with DIM and where to install it to.
I use DIM exclusively when I can. I even convert my Runtime DNA, Renderosity, Hivewire 3D, freebies to DIM. I even create the DIM thumbnails for them.
To compare DIM to the way Microsoft does things is to one day notice that DIM was installed without your knowledge on your computer(s) and you are then forced to do things the DAZ 3D/DIM way. None of that comes close.
...how do you convert files from other sources outside the Daz store (or is it such a complicated procedure that I shouldn't ask)?
I use a program that was never finished by Loomy69.
I use it to initially create the manifest.dsx file for me. I then add my own IDs to it and I manually create the Supplement.dsx. You really need to study those files and see how they are created, you will have to learn from them as I have. This is something that has no DAZ 3D support, you are on your own.
I don't want to derail this thread so PM me for a link.
I use a program that was never finished by Loomy69.
I use it to initially create the manifest.dsx file for me. I then add my own IDs to it and I manually create the Supplement.dsx. You really need to study those files and see how they are created, you will have to learn from them as I have. This is something that has no DAZ 3D support, you are on your own.
I don't want to derail this thread so PM me for a link.
...good point.
Grrrrrr.. lost my notifications....
..interesting, was just on Amazon and found a Win7 Pro OEM for refurbished computers for 70$. Considering that my system is over 3 years old (and will be seeing a bit of "refurbishment" memory wise) I would imagine it would qualify.
http://www.amazon.com/Windows-Professional-Builder-Refurbished-Installation/dp/B00LG242A0/ref=pd_cp_65_1
If you check the first review there, it says you have to be a member of Microsoft's refurbisher program to be able to use it, otherwise it won't accept the activation key.
And if you read the more recent reviews you see that the first either didn't know what he was talking about or may have taken advantage of one of the 'also available from these vendors' links to get something that was different.