New store software before the end of the year

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  • AprilYSHAprilYSH Posts: 1,522
    AprilYSH said:
    jakiblue said:
    Cybersox said:

    and Australia because we grow so much sugar and can only make so much Bundi Rum to mix it with

    Hmm.  I usually drink the diet or zero stuff so I've never thought to try regular Coke in Oz... well, except when it's an added-flavor version we don't have in the States like Razzberry.  Usually I'm too busy sampling all of the other local brews like Solo or the variants of Lift...   

    I'm a fan of vanilla coke (don't judge me) but I'd rather go Wimmers - unfortunately the only place in this tiny stupid town that sold it cold, no longer does - and the supermarket only stocks three flavours on the hot shelves. Although have to admit River Port's portello is still the best - but only available in Victoria, not up here, and even tho it's tempting to move to Victoria just so I can have my beloved portello again, right now I'm kinda glad we moved further north when we bought a place instead of Victoria.  

    A&W root beer ftw! I wish we got diet in Perth though, I want to try that.   
    Watch the australians keep this off topic lol

    Big Sars

    I'll have to get the more easily available sasparilla drinks from coles/woolies and compare them all again this weekend. For science. laugh
    I already know I don't like Dr Pepper though :P

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    Dr Pepper takes like cough medicine. Wimmera sars is great - river port’s double sars is fantastic  

    AprilYSH said:
    AprilYSH said:
    jakiblue said:
    Cybersox said:

    and Australia because we grow so much sugar and can only make so much Bundi Rum to mix it with

    Hmm.  I usually drink the diet or zero stuff so I've never thought to try regular Coke in Oz... well, except when it's an added-flavor version we don't have in the States like Razzberry.  Usually I'm too busy sampling all of the other local brews like Solo or the variants of Lift...   

    I'm a fan of vanilla coke (don't judge me) but I'd rather go Wimmers - unfortunately the only place in this tiny stupid town that sold it cold, no longer does - and the supermarket only stocks three flavours on the hot shelves. Although have to admit River Port's portello is still the best - but only available in Victoria, not up here, and even tho it's tempting to move to Victoria just so I can have my beloved portello again, right now I'm kinda glad we moved further north when we bought a place instead of Victoria.  

    A&W root beer ftw! I wish we got diet in Perth though, I want to try that.   
    Watch the australians keep this off topic lol

    Big Sars

    I'll have to get the more easily available sasparilla drinks from coles/woolies and compare them all again this weekend. For science. laugh
    I already know I don't like Dr Pepper though :P

     

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,322
    edited July 2020
    JOdel said:

    Would be nice to be able to do without sale announcements which aren't. Like today's 4-hour flash sale, in which nearly nothing shows as being on sale, whatsoever. Not on the store page, not in the cart.

    Don't know which 4-hours they are talking about, but right now isn't one of them.

    Do you also have a new release in the cart? (the last few 4-hour flash sales have all had that as a requirement)

    I did, yes. No discount either offered or given. Took the item out of the cart and decided that it was a fake sale. There's now another different 4-hour fake sale on the front page. But that one might engage once todays new releases post.

    ETA: Nope the new releases have posted (no prices yet) and the 4-hour sale banner is gone.

    Post edited by JOdel on
  • Ghosty12Ghosty12 Posts: 2,081
    AprilYSH said:
    AprilYSH said:
    jakiblue said:
    Cybersox said:

    and Australia because we grow so much sugar and can only make so much Bundi Rum to mix it with

    Hmm.  I usually drink the diet or zero stuff so I've never thought to try regular Coke in Oz... well, except when it's an added-flavor version we don't have in the States like Razzberry.  Usually I'm too busy sampling all of the other local brews like Solo or the variants of Lift...   

    I'm a fan of vanilla coke (don't judge me) but I'd rather go Wimmers - unfortunately the only place in this tiny stupid town that sold it cold, no longer does - and the supermarket only stocks three flavours on the hot shelves. Although have to admit River Port's portello is still the best - but only available in Victoria, not up here, and even tho it's tempting to move to Victoria just so I can have my beloved portello again, right now I'm kinda glad we moved further north when we bought a place instead of Victoria.  

    A&W root beer ftw! I wish we got diet in Perth though, I want to try that.   
    Watch the australians keep this off topic lol

    Big Sars

    I'll have to get the more easily available sasparilla drinks from coles/woolies and compare them all again this weekend. For science. laugh
    I already know I don't like Dr Pepper though :P

    I remember Woodroofe's Sno Top Creamy Soda here is South Australia way back in the day, was really nice..

  • JOdelJOdel Posts: 6,322
    edited July 2020

    Eh. I drink diet cola, but with the Covid shortages, Kroger's will no longer sell me my prefered brand. Which is to say I keep ordering it, but that part of the order hasn't been filled since some time in April or May. Usually without explanation.

    For the record that prefered brand is DietRite Zero. It seems to be the only diet cola that doesn't bury you in sodium. I would expect that its non-diet version (Royal Crown) probably uses corn syrup like everything else.

     

    Post edited by JOdel on
  • Ron KnightsRon Knights Posts: 2,502

    I'll stop buying DAZ content until the end of the year. I spent hundreds of dollars in recent months. Then all 3 of my Mac computers died. It's time to save money for a good PC so I can really handle DAZ Studio properly.

  • AprilYSHAprilYSH Posts: 1,522
    jakiblue said:

    Dr Pepper takes like cough medicine. Wimmera sars is great - river port’s double sars is fantastic  

    I don't recall seeing wimmera or river port here before.  The less common brands will have to be A Separate Adventure - Sarsaparilla Wars Ep 2 :D 

    (sasparilla - lol I realised I spelled it wrong, actually checked this timeblush)

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,675

    yeah I drink the Riverport now too

    but I do like Dr Pepper, the UK import with sugar not the American corn syrup one

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401

    Greetings,

    Trick is, when they're running back-to-back sales, one can be 'complete' and changed to the next, but the front page/landing page still shows the old sale, and clicks through to the old list of sellers.  That's because the cache doesn't invalidate quickly.  When that happens, putting a lone '?' at the end of the URL forces a refresh from the uncached server, and loads the page up, and you see the current sale and link.

    I remember the changeover, in forums and store.  Part of me is sad that so much knowledge in the forums was lost...but part of me recognizes that most of that knowledge is obsolete now that Iray, dForce, and the modern Genesis....es are out.  How many dozens of 'super useful' threads were all about how to eke out a decent bounce-light image from 3Delight in under a decade?  How many detailed the special tricks you needed to use Poser-designed products, or to convert DAZ items to Poser's textures, or vice versa, or how to use 'handles' and the old dynamics?  And losing the OLD store was a 100% win, because it was crashing, dying, and failing in all possible ways constantly.

    What I'd like to know about the 'next' store is this: Will my orders be finally correct, both currently and historically?  I'm not talking about the one cent differece between the final screen and what I actually pay.  I really don't care about that, although fixing it would be a nice feature.  I care about an order summary on site that reads:

    $12.95
    $21.95
    $21.95
    $26.95
    $29.95
    $24.95
    $44.95
    $17.95
    $14.95

    Subtotal: $216.55

    Discount: -$10.93

    Tax: $6.94

    Grand Total: $76.25

    Like something MAGIC happened between $216.55 and $76.25, and all the prices are shown as their full retail price.  Once upon a time I could go to my email, and the numbers would add up more reasonably.  But now my email for this same purchase looks like:

    $2.09
    $13.06
    $8.22
    $10.78
    $11.22
    $14.85
    $9.09
    $0.00
    $0.00
    Subtotla: $216.55
    Discount: -$10.93
    Tax: $6.94
    Grand Total: $76.25
    which also doesn't work, because while the prices are more accurate per-item, the sum of the prices (plus tax) IS $76.25, because the discount was applied across the individual prices, and so it's not really...part of the list.  (I also don't know where that discount comes from, compared to the various ways the item prices were discounted.)  It gets even weirder, when you look at invoices for old orders, where the 'discount' is shown as a POSITIVE amount, and newer invoices where it's shown as a NEGATIVE amount.
     
    I get that invoices for complicated sales are hard, and historical invoices across store generations are really hard, and I don't begrudge it.  I do hope it's one of the features that will work a little better in the future.  (And yes, I can see that the 'Invoice' link shows the actual prices for modern orders, and works a lot better than the Order page OR the emailed confirmation, but I'm not sure I understand why the Order page and email isn't just the invoice page, with better links.)
     
    There's lots of room for improvement in the store site's operation, and I'm cautiously optimistic.  I'm also pretty certain there'll be a period of flux, when folks will loathe it, and reject it, and any bugs, major or minor, will be pointed to as a sign that it was a huge mistake and should be given up.  That's just how it goes.
     
    --  Morgan
     
  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    I meant "wimmers" (typing on ipad and for some reason, I can't edit posts here on forums on the ipad) LOL. 

    River Port is a Victorian brand - great taste.  

    AprilYSH said:
    jakiblue said:

    Dr Pepper takes like cough medicine. Wimmera sars is great - river port’s double sars is fantastic  

    I don't recall seeing wimmera or river port here before.  The less common brands will have to be A Separate Adventure - Sarsaparilla Wars Ep 2 :D 

    (sasparilla - lol I realised I spelled it wrong, actually checked this timeblush)

     

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    I'd love to see the 'price point' function - when the new store (this current one) was being tested, it was a feature. You could winnow down the store by price, $0 - $5, $6 - $10, that sort of thing. I was SO excited when I first saw that. And totally bummed when it didn't appear in the final store. 

    Also, how great would a "buy as a gift for someone" function be? (like you can do at rendo)

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,193
    jakiblue said:

    Also, how great would a "buy as a gift for someone" function be? (like you can do at rendo)

    Here's the catch: the person uses that item they received as a gift, and then you ask for a refund. Boom, they are now using an unlicensed product.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    AprilYSH said:
    jakiblue said:
    Cybersox said:

    and Australia because we grow so much sugar and can only make so much Bundi Rum to mix it with

    Hmm.  I usually drink the diet or zero stuff so I've never thought to try regular Coke in Oz... well, except when it's an added-flavor version we don't have in the States like Razzberry.  Usually I'm too busy sampling all of the other local brews like Solo or the variants of Lift...   

    I'm a fan of vanilla coke (don't judge me) but I'd rather go Wimmers - unfortunately the only place in this tiny stupid town that sold it cold, no longer does - and the supermarket only stocks three flavours on the hot shelves. Although have to admit River Port's portello is still the best - but only available in Victoria, not up here, and even tho it's tempting to move to Victoria just so I can have my beloved portello again, right now I'm kinda glad we moved further north when we bought a place instead of Victoria.  

    A&W root beer ftw! I wish we got diet in Perth though, I want to try that.   
    Watch the australians keep this off topic lol

    Beer's always on topic to Aussies!

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    i get what you are saying, but if it's purchased as a gift, you yourself wouldn't be able to get a refund on it, as it would be marked as 'gift' and you don't actually get the product in your library.  

    Ati said:
    jakiblue said:

    Also, how great would a "buy as a gift for someone" function be? (like you can do at rendo)

    Here's the catch: the person uses that item they received as a gift, and then you ask for a refund. Boom, they are now using an unlicensed product.

     

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,193
    jakiblue said:

    i get what you are saying, but if it's purchased as a gift, you yourself wouldn't be able to get a refund on it, as it would be marked as 'gift' and you don't actually get the product in your library.  

    I was trying to be subtle with the scenario. Here's a less subtle version: you do a chargeback, tell your bank you don't know what that charge is for, and you never received the product. That you can do at any time. The end result is the same.

  • 3Diva3Diva Posts: 12,027

    I'll stop buying DAZ content until the end of the year. I spent hundreds of dollars in recent months. Then all 3 of my Mac computers died. It's time to save money for a good PC so I can really handle DAZ Studio properly.

    Yeah, saving up for a good PC to run Daz Studio sounds like a good plan. :) It's a lot more pleasant to use Daz Studio on a newer computer than an older one, that's for sure. And render times are WAY faster on a newer computer.

  • jakibluejakiblue Posts: 7,281

    damn. that's nasty. 

    Rendo has gifting tho, wonder if that happens to them? 

    Ati said:
    jakiblue said:

    i get what you are saying, but if it's purchased as a gift, you yourself wouldn't be able to get a refund on it, as it would be marked as 'gift' and you don't actually get the product in your library.  

    I was trying to be subtle with the scenario. Here's a less subtle version: you do a chargeback, tell your bank you don't know what that charge is for, and you never received the product. That you can do at any time. The end result is the same.

     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,252
    edited July 2020
    jakiblue said:

    oh i LOVE that A&W root beer!!!! Can't find it up here unfortunately crying I used to get it in Atherton when we lived there last year, at the IGA - hot off the shelf so I'd buy a few cans to chuck in the fridge. But supermarket here doesn't stock it.  

    AprilYSH said:
    jakiblue said:
    Cybersox said:

    and Australia because we grow so much sugar and can only make so much Bundi Rum to mix it with

    Hmm.  I usually drink the diet or zero stuff so I've never thought to try regular Coke in Oz... well, except when it's an added-flavor version we don't have in the States like Razzberry.  Usually I'm too busy sampling all of the other local brews like Solo or the variants of Lift...   

    I'm a fan of vanilla coke (don't judge me) but I'd rather go Wimmers - unfortunately the only place in this tiny stupid town that sold it cold, no longer does - and the supermarket only stocks three flavours on the hot shelves. Although have to admit River Port's portello is still the best - but only available in Victoria, not up here, and even tho it's tempting to move to Victoria just so I can have my beloved portello again, right now I'm kinda glad we moved further north when we bought a place instead of Victoria.  

    A&W root beer ftw! I wish we got diet in Perth though, I want to try that.   
    Watch the australians keep this off topic lol

     

    Yes!  Loved A&W rootbeer.yes  I don't know if it's even still available here.  I've adapted to "Mug" rootbeer.  But back in the day, thirty years before the beginning of this century, there was an A&W rootbeer restaurant on the beach in Melbourne, Florida (well, technically the beach is in Indialantic, FL).  I mean right on the beach, well, just over the dune only 200 feet from high tide.  The windows were always glazed with salt spray on the outside and fogged on the inside by the air-conditioning.  The floor was always sandy from barefooted patrons.  Surfboards were parked against the side of the building.  After a hot time in the surf and laying on the beach, a big frosty mug of A&W rootbeer with friends, wearing only bathing suits, sitting on the leatherette booth benches in our wet salty skin, slowly cementing to the fabric, looking at the hazy view of the world through the wet dirty windows, watching the fuzzy images of seagulls fight for scraps, and the half mile long string of pelicans gliding on the thermals up then down the beach just hit the spot.heart  (*sigh*) All gone now, replaced by parking meters and paved roads.frown  The seagulls are still there but the pelicans are now reduced to 4 or 5 at a time.sad

    See, I've managed to keep this off-topic despite not being an Australian.  But I do have a Melbourne in my past.cheeky

    Post edited by LeatherGryphon on
  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314
    Ati said:
    jakiblue said:

    Also, how great would a "buy as a gift for someone" function be? (like you can do at rendo)

    Here's the catch: the person uses that item they received as a gift, and then you ask for a refund. Boom, they are now using an unlicensed product.

    They could just make gift purchases non-refundable.

  • RangerRickRangerRick Posts: 322

    @DAZ_Rawb

    Is there a thread where we can make feature requests for the new store software?  Maybe a list of requirements from the request for bid that we could look at to see what to expect?

    I'd like the current local DAZ time to be displayed somewhere along the top banner (with text mentioning that it's local DAZ time so people don't wonder why their clock is wrong).

  • AtiAti Posts: 9,193

    I'd like the current local DAZ time to be displayed somewhere along the top banner (with text mentioning that it's local DAZ time so people don't wonder why their clock is wrong).

    Enter the search term "time in utah" in google, press enter, and it shows you.

  • AprilYSHAprilYSH Posts: 1,522

    See, I've managed to keep this off-topic despite not being an Australian.  But I do have a Melbourne in my past.cheeky

    lol yes
    we're on the opposite side of the planet to majority north american daz members so it feels ok to go OT while the peeps are asleep laugh

    but it's office hours there now so... um... hoping for cool new store features, whee cool 

  • RangerRickRangerRick Posts: 322
    Ati said:

    I'd like the current local DAZ time to be displayed somewhere along the top banner (with text mentioning that it's local DAZ time so people don't wonder why their clock is wrong).

    Enter the search term "time in utah" in google, press enter, and it shows you.

    Yup, thanks; but we shouldn't have to.  Rendo doesn't have a problem showing local date and time and even some games show your local time while running which I find very useful.

  • mwokeemwokee Posts: 1,275
    What really needs to be fixed is the keywording. If I search on AIRPLANE virtually nothing comes up in the results compared to what's actually in the store.
  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,848
    edited July 2020

    There used to have an independent root beer maker called Barq's when I worked in DFW and had the funniest radio commercials (I think it was the fellow(s?) from Greater Tuna). Anyway, the root beer was much better than the other brands too, until it was bought out and the formula changed to use cheaper raw materials. Then I liked IBC Root Beer best but it went out of business and is the brand now is owned by Dr Pepper which I thought was owned by Pepsi but lo and behold it's now Keurig Dr Pepper. And the Snapple that was originally ruint by Quaker Oats is now ruined by Dr Pepper.

    Also the same was done with Snapple Ice Tea. Snapple use to be so good that mine was stolen from me once when I fell asleep in the airport. Well not anymore after it was bought out and the forumla changed. Such a shame!

     All that is not very convincing from a quality and pricing perspective so I now stick to Walmart, Kroger, and Aldi housebrands unless they are really off in quality, which so far has only happened for soymilk.

     As far as the DAZ Store goes, having them overcharge me 3 times to the tune of hundreds of dollars each time and having to write a help ticket to have that money put back in my bank account before the bank tried to take out my mortgage payment was particularly unpleasant. I won't mind seeing the last of that old store software, even though I'm pretty much through buying here.

    Post edited by nonesuch00 on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 109,705
    mwokee said:
    What really needs to be fixed is the keywording. If I search on AIRPLANE virtually nothing comes up in the results compared to what's actually in the store.

    Have you tried spelling it properly, aeroplane, instead? Though I'd avoid the issue by just using plane which did bring a few hits.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314
    mwokee said:
    What really needs to be fixed is the keywording. If I search on AIRPLANE virtually nothing comes up in the results compared to what's actually in the store.

    Have you tried spelling it properly, aeroplane, instead? Though I'd avoid the issue by just using plane which did bring a few hits.

    "Aeroplane" is British spelling.  That doesn't make it "correct".

  • mwokeemwokee Posts: 1,275
    mwokee said:
    What really needs to be fixed is the keywording. If I search on AIRPLANE virtually nothing comes up in the results compared to what's actually in the store.

    Have you tried spelling it properly, aeroplane, instead? Though I'd avoid the issue by just using plane which did bring a few hits.

    It would be smarter to use both spellings as they are both correct. Some of these PAs could quit their day jobs if they understood how buyers search for products.
  • Daz Jack TomalinDaz Jack Tomalin Posts: 13,924
    mwokee said:
    mwokee said:
    What really needs to be fixed is the keywording. If I search on AIRPLANE virtually nothing comes up in the results compared to what's actually in the store.

    Have you tried spelling it properly, aeroplane, instead? Though I'd avoid the issue by just using plane which did bring a few hits.

     

    It would be smarter to use both spellings as they are both correct. Some of these PAs could quit their day jobs if they understood how buyers search for products.

    How about just 'plane'.. or 'aircraft'

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    Cybersox said:

    like New Coke devil was only so they could bring back old Coke and sell more!frown

    Not exactly.  There's a whole book on the subject, and the REAL reason that they did new Coke was to get out of the terms of a contract with the U.S. bottlers that had been in place since the 30s.  The original formula for Coke was based on cane sugar, which was becoming increasngly more expensive vs. the corn syrup which most of Coke's competitors were using, but Coke's contract with the bottlers guaranteed that they wouldn't change the formula or raise the price above a certain percentage of the retail price, and the then new head of COke realized that within a few years they would either have to raise the retail price of Coke products or make increasingly less on each drink produced.  To get around it, they introduced New Coke, which, the CocaCola company argued, was a new drink and therefore not subject to the old contract restrictions.  However, when the bottlers demanded that they bring back the original formula, Coke instead countered with Coke Classic, which is NOT the same thing as the original Coke, as CC uses corn syrup instead of the original cane sugar.  That said, there were a few markets they couldn't or didn't use that trick on, which is why the Kosher version of Coke still uses cane sugar, as does the Coke sold in some other portions of the world like Mexico.  And yes, it tastes better than Classic, which is why some stores in the U.S. import it.

    Im' a Sprite girl myself ;)

    laugh

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