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It might help to have a D-Force subforums for a while - many questions

lenwilderlenwilder Posts: 188
in The Commons

Processes for creating or editing existing clothing for our own D-Force clohting?

Does this mean animation will be taking a surge forward in Daz3d  (at last)?

 

 

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  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    lenwilder said:

    Processes for creating or editing existing clothing for our own D-Force clohting?

    Does this mean animation will be taking a surge forward in Daz3d  (at last)?

     

     

    These can be easily handled in the DAZ Studio application specific forum, to be honest; that's sort of what it's really intended for.

  • lenwilderlenwilder Posts: 188

    Hmmm ... A subforums would work OK, but many sites with forums are reluctant to do anything on a more or less temporary basis.

    A thread about D-Force would probably do just as well.

     

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    Daywalker Designs said:
    lenwilder said:

    Processes for creating or editing existing clothing for our own D-Force clohting?

    Does this mean animation will be taking a surge forward in Daz3d  (at last)?

     

     

    These can be easily handled in the DAZ Studio application specific forum, to be honest; that's sort of what it's really intended for.

    Except that it can sometimes take days for a response in that forum. Occasionally no response at all.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    lenwilder said:

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    A thread about D-Force would probably do just as well.

     

    There appear to be several already dotted about the forums.

  • stump3point1stump3point1 Posts: 139
    edited October 2017
    A sub forum is better than chasing links and searching forums for answers to similar problems OR posting a question which has been addressed already. Can't understand why user's would not think corralling topics would be a temporary or useless solution. +1 for a sub forum.
    Post edited by stump3point1 on
  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    stump3point1 said:
    A sub forum is better than chasing links and searching forums for answers to similar problems OR posting a question which has been addressed already. Can't understand why user's would not think corralling topics would be a temporary or useless solution. +1 for a sub forum.

    The first place I go when a major new feature of a software application is mentioned is to the application specific subforum of the developer's website; that, to me, is the most sensible place to look for topics related to that feature.

  • stump3point1stump3point1 Posts: 139
    Daywalker Designs said:
    stump3point1 said:
    A sub forum is better than chasing links and searching forums for answers to similar problems OR posting a question which has been addressed already. Can't understand why user's would not think corralling topics would be a temporary or useless solution. +1 for a sub forum.

    The first place I go when a major new feature of a software application is mentioned is to the application specific subforum of the developer's website; that, to me, is the most sensible place to look for topics related to that feature.

    Yet dforce threads are peppered through 2 forums including stickies. The OP makes a good point, the fact that questions are most likely will posted anywhere at the moment even with heavy moderation. You make a sensible point but as with any forum you will likely look in what ever forum you think has the answer whether it's the right forum or not. A sub forum placed in the software forum for this topic would be helpful and efficient in my opinion.
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    If people had used the DS forum, then all the threads would be in the one forum, instead of being scattered around, and the DS forum doesn't get as much traffic because people will insist on posting here in the Commons, despite there being a dedicated forum already for DS stuff.

  • scorpioscorpio Posts: 8,533
    Chohole said:

    If people had used the DS forum, then all the threads would be in the one forum, instead of being scattered around, and the DS forum doesn't get as much traffic because people will insist on posting here in the Commons, despite there being a dedicated forum already for DS stuff.

    Because most people only really use this forum and the stickyed thread about dforce is also in this forum, and the commons is to

    'Discuss anything Daz 3D related not covered by any other forum here.'

    Theres no other forum for dynamics so threads end up here.

    I also think a subforum would be a good idea, at least have the threads all in one place so people don't open new threads on similar subjects.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    Chohole said:

    If people had used the DS forum, then all the threads would be in the one forum, instead of being scattered around, and the DS forum doesn't get as much traffic because people will insist on posting here in the Commons, despite there being a dedicated forum already for DS stuff.

    That's true but what are you going to do? Use that big stick? It's a chicken & egg thing - people don't use the DS forum becuase the traffic is low and responses can take a long time to show up - if at all. So they post in the Commons instead. I always keep an ey on the DS forum and post there when it is application specific but it doesn't stop others from posting the same questions in the commons where they get answers faster. Mods could get strict and move threads but the only other suggestion I have is to figure out how to improve the forum search - which is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    marble said:
    Chohole said:

    If people had used the DS forum, then all the threads would be in the one forum, instead of being scattered around, and the DS forum doesn't get as much traffic because people will insist on posting here in the Commons, despite there being a dedicated forum already for DS stuff.

    That's true but what are you going to do? Use that big stick? It's a chicken & egg thing - people don't use the DS forum becuase the traffic is low and responses can take a long time to show up - if at all. So they post in the Commons instead. I always keep an ey on the DS forum and post there when it is application specific but it doesn't stop others from posting the same questions in the commons where they get answers faster. Mods could get strict and move threads but the only other suggestion I have is to figure out how to improve the forum search - which is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

    Do you know you can actually buy a chocolate teapot?    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Schokolat-Edible-Chocolate-Teapot-600/dp/B00ZIC0S8Y

    Google search actually works better than the forum search.   add Daz3D forum to your search string.

  • marblemarble Posts: 7,500
    Chohole said:
    marble said:
    Chohole said:

    If people had used the DS forum, then all the threads would be in the one forum, instead of being scattered around, and the DS forum doesn't get as much traffic because people will insist on posting here in the Commons, despite there being a dedicated forum already for DS stuff.

    That's true but what are you going to do? Use that big stick? It's a chicken & egg thing - people don't use the DS forum becuase the traffic is low and responses can take a long time to show up - if at all. So they post in the Commons instead. I always keep an ey on the DS forum and post there when it is application specific but it doesn't stop others from posting the same questions in the commons where they get answers faster. Mods could get strict and move threads but the only other suggestion I have is to figure out how to improve the forum search - which is about as useful as a chocolate teapot.

    Do you know you can actually buy a chocolate teapot?    https://www.amazon.co.uk/Schokolat-Edible-Chocolate-Teapot-600/dp/B00ZIC0S8Y

    Google search actually works better than the forum search.   add Daz3D forum to your search string.

    I'm really not surprised about the teapot :) Turns out it is more useful than the forum search.

    Yeah, I use google search too but it has a habit of forcing me to enter a captcha after a few searches.

     

  • DaWaterRatDaWaterRat Posts: 2,885

    Maybe an index thread?  By my count, there are two major threads in the commons (arguably three), one in Art studio, and two (so far) in Daz Studio Discussion.

    Which, for my purposes, isn't too many to keep track of.  I tend to have more difficulty with finding where in a given thread I saw X peice of information that I think might answer my issue.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited October 2017

    Let’s be honest.... there are some forums you are more likely to get answers in than others. A post in commons will likely get you technical help faster than a post in the technical help forum which is low traffic

    Post edited by Serene Night on
  • 3WC3WC Posts: 1,133
    edited October 2017

    This is why I just click on "Recent Discussions" with the gear dropdown at top right. Doesnt matter what forum it is in, it will show up.

    Using that, you can see that there are at least ten threads about dforce already, many asking questions that have already been answered in the official threads.

    Post edited by 3WC on
  • RuphussRuphuss Posts: 2,631

    new forum for dforce  pls

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited October 2017
    wwes said:

    This is why I just click on "Recent Discussions" with the gear dropdown at top right. Doesnt matter what forum it is in, it will show up.

    Using that, you can see that there are at least ten threads about dforce already, many asking questions that have already been answered in the official threads.

    It is much the better way to browse the forums if you are looking for specific topics.  And you can also see if threads have received new posts.

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • stump3point1stump3point1 Posts: 139
    edited October 2017
    Really can't understand the logic being expressed in this thread by those opposing the OP's request by suggesting ways of searching the forum and using the right buttons or whatever other clever method to find their thread topics. Although the advice is useful still doesn't solve the issue of repostimg a issue that might frame a question asked in a different way that has been addressed already or keeping the subject in one convenient sub forum. Not everyone who comes to this forum is going to follow these "trick's" or veiw this thread. How hard can it be to grant this request?
    Post edited by stump3point1 on
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604
    edited October 2017

    Well for a start the forums are provided for the use of the members, so it is not very likely that the relevant people will actually be reading this thread.

    If the OP is serious in his request he should make it directly to Daz, by submitting a help ticket and heading it as "feature request"

    Post edited by Chohole on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,987

    People don't use the existing Daz Studio forum, why would they use a dForce forum?

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085

    I've been seeking information about dForce too...

    So far I can tell it is a physics engine for use in DAZ Studio, so far intended for use for dynamic clothing simulations and possibly with hair (?)... And mostly will include other types of simulations in the future.

    Lots of pictures of projects and a bunch of videos... Lots of stuff to pick through and interpret.

    There doesn't seem to be an official product description (definition)... That I'm able to find... It might be good to nail one down to avoid confusion. 

    I thought I'd mention this because after several years of accumulating notes and definitions, I'm starting to put together a new CGI Glossary like the one I did in 2009 and the other day (or two ago) I saw the sticky about dForce... So I went to look up it up and didn't find much of a solid product description... A nice video featuring cloth sliding off of balls and catwalk marching G8s... But nothing like:  

    Introducing dForce... What's dForce?... dForce is an amazing new physics engine designed by DAZ3D and introduced in DAZ Studio 4.10... Based on the SnorgglyGoogleplex physics engine this groundbreaking new addition to DAZ Studio provides you the ability to add dynamic clothing simulations to your renders and animations. Dynamic clothing simulations allow users to realistically simulate how clothes hang or drape on a on a figure or 3D mesh, giving the artist a whole new dimension of realism. While dForce works amazingly well with clothes, it also can simulate the flow of long head and armpit hair draping over objects or hanging down. Future releases will most likely focus on air current simulations, flying hamster trajectories and bouncing rabbits as well as helping you make a great cup of coffee!"

    Granted, I can see this is brand new... But it's a frickin huge addition to DS... And the announcement kinda comes across as "Hey, DS 4.10 is here... Oh, and dForce is out too, but you already know what dynamic clothing is and how it works, and we aren't gonna waste your time explaining much about it... We know you like reading 67,943 posts in 42 random occurring threads to figure this out... Ain't 3D fun?"

    So... Just saying... Not everyone has been doing this for years, and since most likely there will be no official definition or guide for a while, and unless it takes several animal sacrifices and millions in cash to make a subforum it might really make a lot of people's lives easier and saner to do that.

    on a side note...

    Stuff I found out is not DAZ's dForce...

    It should NOT be confused with any of the following items named "D-Force": The work shoes, the custom off-road motorcycle parts brand, snowplow equipment, the custom automatic weapons accessories, liquid insecticide spray, the 1991 Super Nintendo video game, the Greek diesel gas brand, the watch brand, the sports training aids, the 3D printer brand, the military themed romance novel series, the line of performance automotive wheels and rims, a series of dental equipment motors, the Chinese record label, the line of electronics hand tools, the Yu-Gi-Oh! spell card, the drone racing team, the Indian lead acid battery manufacturer, the 1993 12" EP old school vinyl record by DJ Red Alert & Mike Slammer, the dynamic force microscopy simulator code, the overhead garage door opener, a security service featuring ex-police and ex-military guards, the teleoperated robotic control unit, the Pakistani "investment" company, the diabetes management strategy, the UK engineering firm, Seth D. Force the thoracic surgeon, the industrial actuator series, the video game controller brand, a line of protective athletic gear, or the Japanese design studio.    And that was only eight pages of Google finds.

     

     

     

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,063

    it would be a handy place for the Mods to dump all the threads popping up everywhere cheeky

  • stump3point1stump3point1 Posts: 139
    Chohole said:

    Well for a start the forums are provided for the use of the members, so it is not very likely that the relevant people will actually be reading this thread.

    If the OP is serious in his request he should make it directly to Daz, by submitting a help ticket and heading it as "feature request"

    I have seen Daz personnel answer threads here and the topic's moved in the name of relevance by the Mod's including yourself. It may be true that those with the "power" to grant this request may never view this thread but there is a chance they will, can't believe they are that aloof and feel the need to ignore their own forum. That is good advice to put in a support ticket, or hope that they see the need themselves.
  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    McGyver   I presume you mean something like this

    https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/203081/dforce-start-here

    The first section is handily headed

      What is dForce?

  • Daywalker DesignsDaywalker Designs Posts: 3,586
    Serene Night said:

    Let’s be honest.... there are some forums you are more likely to get answers in than others. A post in commons will likely get you technical help faster than a post in the technical help forum which is low traffic

     

    stump3point1 said:
    Chohole said:

    Well for a start the forums are provided for the use of the members, so it is not very likely that the relevant people will actually be reading this thread.

    If the OP is serious in his request he should make it directly to Daz, by submitting a help ticket and heading it as "feature request"

     

    I have seen Daz personnel answer threads here and the topic's moved in the name of relevance by the Mod's including yourself. It may be true that those with the "power" to grant this request may never view this thread but there is a chance they will, can't believe they are that aloof and feel the need to ignore their own forum. That is good advice to put in a support ticket, or hope that they see the need themselves.

    DAZ Studio Discussion forum; where else would a sensible person look for information on some new feature of DAZ Studio? Especially when the sticky post in the Commons (here) points to a discussion there, which itself points to another topic in the same forum...

  • frank0314frank0314 Posts: 14,708

    The official thread is where most of these questions should be asked. Creating new threads just confuses things and Daz can't hardly follow all of them. The manly watch the official one.

  • Oso3DOso3D Posts: 15,085

    There are a lot of threads in various places about where stuff should go.

    Maybe we should have a subforum for determining where things should go and candidates for new subforums...

    <.<

  • stump3point1stump3point1 Posts: 139
    edited October 2017
    @DaywalkerDesigns,The thread's are still being started here and in other forums. The irony is almost funny, they won't read the sticky or use a sub forum. I guess the Mod's wouldn't want all the extra work of moving threads to the relevant sub forum if it was available but only they could answer that question. Dforce represents a Major update in my opinion and will cause a lot of interest that will be around for a long time. That alone should warrant some consideration in the decision of creating a sub forum user ignorance not withstanding.
    Post edited by stump3point1 on
  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I actually would like a forum or a specific support thread would be nice. There are a number of threads showing results but not enough technique or general info.

  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085
    Richard Haseltine said:

    People don't use the existing Daz Studio forum, why would they use a dForce forum?

    Because they don't post in it or don't read it?

    Lots of people read the forums but don't post in them... I've read dozens of threads, if not hundreds that I've never posted in... And I'm a huge pain in the ass with my posts (apparently)...

    Most of the time when I have a question about a feature or problem with DAZ, I look it up... The forum's search is kinda... "Limited"... So mostly I use Google... But even that can be off... If you don't use the right word or phrase or combination of words, you can miss the information you are looking for.

    I've lost track of all the times I've searched for something and then given up and asked only to have someone point me to a thread that for all intents and purposes should have showed up in my search.

    One tends to feel like they come across as a lazy search impaired idiot when that happens.

    Not to mention the occasional "did you try googling it?" comment one might get.

    Its actually easier to find information on how a type T-4 Tokamak fusion reactor works then how to make good iRay shaders... The information is out there, but rather then just looking it up, it often has to be researched.

    Yes, questions are always welcome here, and lots of nice and smart people are happy to answer them, but sometimes there are language barriers or people are shy or independent... And having a source that one can browse through in one area is extremely useful and informative... Not to mention as has often happened to me at forums with multiple subforums, you occasionally (or rather, often) come across something you never knew you wanted to know or needed to know... A kinda "day the universe changed" epiphany.

    The chances of that happening are a hell of a lot slimmer when topics are spread across multiple forums and lost in the progression of new threads.

    DAZ Studio has awesome features... It's a shame have information spread out and often overlooked or unavailable.

    I hope this didn't come across as rude or antagonist, I'm just pointing out a long held observation... Which is it's not always easy to find important information, and not everyone feels they know how to properly ask a question or is linguistically capable of asking it coherently either... So they don't... Having subjects grouped together makes learning easier and less frustrating... (Less frustration probably equals more sales of stuff too... But that's besides the point).

     

     

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