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I tended to skip a generation, or at least hold out for a looong time. Mostly because I am usually very resource limited because due to travel I render on a laptop. So when V4 came along, I stayed V3 for a long time to save polycount. But eventually I gave in. Then when Genesis came along I took to it for the males but not the females. I think I stuck with V4 mostly because of shoes, beleive it or not. I had a ton of really good idler168 shoes for V4 and they didn't transfer well to Genesis. Yet somehow Genesis 2 got me from the start, I just liked the look of the models, both male and female.
For some reason though, I jumped in hard with G3F. I don't recall why, I think it was because I really wanted better expressions and thought that facial rig would do the trick. Reality is I never use it. At this point, my preferred models are G3F (because ... reasons) and G2M (because I have characters, skins and clothes from M4 up that I can use)
But I love George and the other non-male-model characters for G3M. It's what sets that figure apart and it's awesome!
George must be the anti-type of the freak.
My go-to male human character is Genesis. All my Genesis2 male character are creatures and monsters. So I didn't really have any reason to advance to Genesis3 . . . til George came around.
Thanks PA.
I've found George works well with G2F and G2M.
I find even .3 or so George acts as a great base to tweak further (I did a Santa just now with about .4 Santa and then Portly and a few other tweaks, I did Georgette with I think .6 or so and then a lot of tweaks to arms and legs to round her out as I wanted, etc)
I had forgotten that G2 clothing should auto-fit G3 - I have Wear-it-All for G2F so I assumed that was helping with the female stuff and, as I mentioned, I have not used G3M so far.
As for skins, I have just bought the Iray Smart Converter and Advanced Skin Managers for Genesis 2 but have not seen it in action yet (don't have my DAZ computer with me). So I don't know how it compares to NGS2 but that is on my wishlist too. Still, I'm happy to limit my G3 figures to George for now, so long as I can dress him. I did buy the OOT M7 underwear for him at least.
I rarely need the DAZ AEs (I refuse to buy a Pro bundle to get them) but, so far, I've managed with the Jepe prop for M4 even on G1 and G2M and I have no reason to think I can't do the same with G3M. Otherwise, I agree with Will: the morph packs, Zev0 add-ons and clothing is too much of an investment for too little gain. I did it with the G3F and spent more than I should have so I'm not raiding my bank account again without good reason.
The Smart converter is a completely different animal as far as the results are, compared to NGS2. It basically just plugs the existing maps into the right places. It also distinguishes if you use 4.8 or 4.9 when you convert. NGS2 does its own thing, and converts only to 4.9, so you get more lobsters in 4.8...
I agree with you for the most part. I see the appeal of Genesis 3 for more "realistic, HD renders", but most of my projects (personal or professional) don't demand that. Also, despite it's age and lack of new toys, Genesis 1 is still the most versatile out of the Genesis base figures, both for morphs, clothing, and as you pointed out, textures thanks to the UV being compatible with Gen4 characters. And yes, GenX2 pretty much covered any current characters that I may want to use in the current Genesis 2-3 stable (though missing out again on the HD morphs).
I concur George and similar well-made characters are enticing to at least have on hand, though (as long as they're stand alone with the Genesis bases and doesn't "requires X Character").
Very much agree with you here.
Guess it comes to personal uses as I still use all figures also and find G3 figures to work best in bending and in skins and UVs. When editing shaders, G3 figures have less material zones to deal with and I LOVE IRAY shaders that usually come with G3 figures which is a plus IMO. I use clothing for all generations on G3 figure. I use GenX with Generation 3 figures also. I also use skins from V4, M4, G2 on G3 figures and soon to use V3 skins on G3. So based on my experience I fail to see how the benefits of Genesis 3 are extremely small, especially compared to the costs and annoyance of which I find minimal. Then again I never use 3DL and I know you do.
I felt compelled to respond simply because of the 'wacked" comment as I wouldn't want a new, uninformed user thinking there was an actual issue with using generation 3 figures since there isn't.
I saw George today sitting in a cafe in my hometown...
3DL isn't a consideration.
It would cost me almost $300 to get all the stuff I'd need to use Genesis 3 happily that I already own for Genesis 2 (vascularity, aging morphs, base morphs, skin UV stuff, etc).
That's $300 I could be spending on a high end graphics app or loads of other content.
That and I'd still be limited in figures where it came to geografts and similar.
I wish this forum had a "Like" button but yes, I agree once again, Will.
I hear what you're saying...It's like when albums gave way to CDs and then CDs gave way to MP3. I've probably at least a dozen of my old albums in all 3 formats. The same goes for VHS to DVD to Bluray. G4 will probably turn up soon...maybe for the new year? If so, it'd be nice if at least all the current clothes and poses could work with it.
I really need to dig into GenX2. I own the updates to G2 and G3. So, I'm all set. But, I've bought so much stuff lately from all the sales, that I haven't really thought about needing morph conversions. I got Genx specifically because I created a bunch of character heads and bodies for G2. But, if I want to actually sell any as a new product, they probably won't sell as a new G2F character. I don't think I've even seen a new G2F character in the store in the last year or more. So, I figure that I'd better be ready to push these over to G3F. Of course, that will help with all the clothes, too.
Hopefully, I'll see Wear them All go on sale soon. I've got some nice V4 outfits that don't autofit well to G2 or G3.
It's more like when one form of CDs gave way to another format of CDs, because there isn't anything MONUMENTALLY different about G3F than G2F, and in the hands of a reasonably skilled user, it'd be really hard to tell which is being used unless it was something very specific (like the Krampus).
Generation 4 -> Genesis was MUCH more of a significant leap, because Genesis just plain did stuff you couldn't easily manage before, like autofitting and cross gender fitting and easy morphs and etc.
Genesis -> Genesis 2 wasn't a huge leap. It was regressive in some ways (lack of universal fit, although there are now lots of solutions to mitigate that).
Genesis 2 -> Genesis 3 is also not that much of a leap. Some things are better. Some things are hard to do without a lot of stuff.
Aesthetically, Genesis 2 and Genesis 3 "look better" and added the jaw and... not much more than bends and such, but it's the aesthetics that count for a lot, what with HD morphs being all the rage these days. That said, I agree the last 2 were more regressive than progressive compared to the progress from Gen4 to Genesis 1.
Well, the Comment Box has this smiley>
The Hair&Beard looks really great on other G3M characters (here: Hinkyhunks Dae)!
It also works good on G2M, as long as you don't play around with the shape morphs of the beard... then some strands go AWOL...
George caught my eye too, he is very impressive - as well a being breath of fresh air.:)
George is the only G3 character I care about, so I'm happy to see continued support for it. G3 in general doesn't interest me for various reasons (in a nutshell: minimal benefit considering the cost of essential add-ons), but George is just so exceptional. In fact I would've bought it at release if DAZ didn't withhold the Genesis "anatomical elements" behind a hefty paywall. But now there appears to be a superior third party alternative for the dangly bits... (search for "Dicktator Genesis 3 Male")
Araneldon: While it lacks HD, I've been happy to see George adds a lot of value transferred to G2M (and G2F!), particularly if you can get it cheap (I got him for all of $3.50, so hey)
timmins: Does ggx2 also transfer JCMs (or whatever they're called now, the hidden morphs that improve bending)? Do you happen to have links to renders of George transferred to G2M?
This one is a nude, so fair warning: http://willbear.deviantart.com/art/Georgette-651257093
I added a little thickness in lower legs, wrists, hands, etc, but overall I was very happy with how it came out.
timmins: Yikes. Looks pretty good though, she's got character
Yep. Doing another render of George -> G2M in a greek bath. With swim shorts, though that's not very visible
Hard to overlook with that size... lol
Hehehe...a female George. I like it! LOL
Laurie
Here you go, George in G2M form, with George body hair and beard.
I'm not 100% enthused about the body hair, I wish I could make it more 'fine,' but there are times I'll want it and I DO like having more beards/hair/mustache/etc.
Yeah, I agree the body hair is a little "thick" but it's the only game in town so far for the G3 guys *sigh* Would also be nice if we could turn it off by body part rather than it's current. I might want lower arms and not upper or lower leg and not upper and vice versa. I'm going to make separate material zones tho so I can hide those bits I don't want ;).
Laurie