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  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,422
    atticanne said:
    namffuak said:

    You should see the crimes against the English language perpetrated by the local TV news web site. I've given up on trying to get them to correct spelling, punctuation, and verb/noun agreement. And they used to be owned by, and are still affiliated with, a major university here.

    As for spelling - too many people are more than happy to take the first suggestion from the auto-correct process (see tagline; anyone got a suggestion for 'faith' in it?).

    fate

    How have I missed that all these years!? Thanks!

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,196

    I must admit I read DZfire your Ad People and thought I'd missed a new bot release........

  • depends which part of the world the ad was created in some words are spelt different in different parts of the world such as colour spelled in the U.K. or Australia and color is spelled in America. Same with how some wording can be used and then there's the translation from one language to another such as how some Asian descriptions are translated into English which can be pretty amusing and confusing.

  • I've got to say, I'm curious about the pork chops.

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,269
    wiz said:

    Exactly.

    Muphry's law states that "if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written".

    There's actually a lot of truth to this, I've seen it happen again and again.

  • fred9803fred9803 Posts: 1,565
    Taozen said:
    wiz said:

    Exactly.

    Muphry's law states that "if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written".

    You're right on that point wiz. You should have used a comma before that direct quote from Murphy. cheeky

    The two errors I see most commonly here are the words then for than, and to for too.

  • MoussoMousso Posts: 243

    I think the English language is "deteriorating" because nowadays billions of people speak it from all over the worlds and they add their own dialect/sleng to it. My kids speak perfect english, but they didn't learn it in school. They learned in from Cartoon Network, Steam and other online games where there are people of all natioanlity trying to communicate with different slengs, and chatrooms. I am quite proud of them and I am very happy that English became the worlds first language. In spite of all the LOL's, LMFAO"s etc its a beautiful language and very easy to learn. And all languages change in time. I wouldn't understand a word of Shakespeare's english today. 

    So times change, people change and languages change with them.

  • ChoholeChohole Posts: 33,604

    having raised a Dyslexic child I am very fluent in typonese.   I actually think some typos can be very funny.  my son, when we were rebuilding my freebie website, typed "please bare with us" on the splash screen.   As mine is a site offering alternate styles for clothing products we decided to leave it, and the typo was there until the site was fully rebuilt.

     

  • BlueIreneBlueIrene Posts: 1,318
    Sad said:

    I must admit I read DZfire your Ad People and thought I'd missed a new bot release........

    My still-to-be-caffeinated self saw the soft, peach-coloured writing across the 'Budget Hotel' promo when I got up this morning and my blurry eyes read 'Brothel'. The sad thing is, I wasn't immediately surprised. It didn't look one bit out of place among all the long legs and cleavage on the front page. I'm on the side of the 'grammar Nazis' in the Ad People debate. I try to be generous with these mistakes because we've all made them, but when I see a prominently placed ad with a sloppy error then my mind jumps to the conclusion that the product being sold is full of errors too. Of course it does - that's why companies typically spend a fortune on getting their advertising right and making sure it's sending the right message. If a fortune is overkill or unavailable, then at the very least a proofreader is a good idea.

  • evilded777evilded777 Posts: 2,482

    Mercutio:  This cannot anger him: 'twould anger him 
    To raise a spirit in his mistress' circle 
    Of some strange nature, letting it there stand 
    Till she had laid it and conjured it down; 
    That were some spite: my invocation 
    Is fair and honest, and in his mistress' name 
    I conjure only but to raise up him.

    "A plague o' both your houses!"

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 8,049
    Stryder87 said:
    Etrigan said:

    The rampant degradation of the framework of English is but another symptom of our times. I observe in daily activities the degradation of all frameworks; once, rules provided a structure that underpinned society. Now, rules are to be ignored, un-learned, and deliberately broken in the name of freedom and individuality. 

    Very well put.  It's become an 'anything-goes', 'don't tell me what to do' world.

     

    That explains bike riders in big cities...

  • FirstBastionFirstBastion Posts: 8,049

    ... my subconcious has linked bad spelling and grammar in software with malware and viruses

    Correct spelling  does matter for exactly this reason. 

  • I'm slitl cruoius aobut the prok cohps.

  • wolf359wolf359 Posts: 3,936
    edited August 2016

    "In spite of all the LOL's, LMFAO"s etc its a beautiful language and very easy to learn. "

    Standard english an easy language to learn to mimic
    phonetically
    but its actual rules rule of spelling and pronunciation depend way too much on rote memorization
    and western cultural literacy as there are no visual clues, in the text itself, for foreigners to know when not to pronounce silent "E's"at the end of some words for example.

    I realized this when I learned Arabic a few years ago.

    In Arabic ,there are Little Didactic symbols
    such as the "Kasrah,Fatha ,Dhamma & Sukun" that tells the language student exactly how to pronouce the vowels.
    ( "E" as in Feet as opposed "E" as in test)
    or when a vowel is silent as is the last "e" in the word Kite.

    I watch alot of Japanese anime and this weakness in written English becomes obvious when a japanese speaker pronounces the word Kite as "Kyt -ehh" because there are no visual clue in the text itself to tell him that last "e" is silent.

    I Think the More depressing problem, in these modern times, is the deterioration of handwriting itself.
    My own handwriting has become so bad  that
    I cannot faithfully reproduce My own signature twice with any recognizable fidelity between the two.blush

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,119
    edited August 2016
    wolf359 said:

    ...

    I Think the More depressing problem, in these modern times, is the deterioration of handwriting itself.
    My own handwriting has become so bad  that
    I cannot faithfully reproduce My own signature twice with any recognizable fidelity between the two.blush

    Recently I've made a determined effort to revive my longhand writing.  I esentially stopped writing in longhand when I started printing or typing essays in High School (back in the middle of the last century)  However, I did work on my signature for a half century.  I am very proud of my signature.  It's elegant, bold, unique & legible.  then they come out with these miserable credit card swipe machines that want you to sign your name with a stick on an ergonomically disasterous clumsy digital tablet placed at the wrong height and with misalligned echo on the screen so that the writing appears a quarter inch above where your stick point is.  Most confounding! angry  My signature on those things looks nothing at all like the flourish that I am so proud use to represent my authority.  It's just a scribble that any chicken could manage in the barnyard. crying

      But as mentioned at the beginning, I've been reviving my longhand writing, just because it's becoming a lost art.  Something of quality that my generation had that the new generation has thrown away.  Like good spelling, grammar, and cave painting. devil

     

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  • 3WC3WC Posts: 1,142
    fred9803 said:
    Taozen said:
    wiz said:

    Exactly.

    Muphry's law states that "if you write anything criticizing editing or proofreading, there will be a fault of some kind in what you have written".

    You're right on that point wiz. You should have used a comma before that direct quote from Murphy. cheeky

    The two errors I see most commonly here are the words then for than, and to for too.

    "Your" for "You're"

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,997
    Taozen said:
    Mattymanx said:
    Taozen said:

    Did you mean ADD people? devil

    No, they wont fire any of them because they get lots of work done.

    It was a joke on ADD (Attention Deficit Disorder - quite common these days (I suffer from it too, periodically))... wink

     

    Yeah I know.  I know someone with ADD who models very quickly.

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,997

    In all honesty, languages simply changes over time with each passing generation.  Its just the way it happens.  English today is not the english of the past.  I tried watching this series - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2262456/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_19 - and could not get into it cause of the old english they used inorder to be true to the period it represented.

  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Lyam said:

    Sooooooo, what are your views on spaces after periods at the end of sentences?  One or two spaces.  I think two looks better.  cheeky 

    Two used to be the norm; now one is the norm, and word processors throw a fit when there are two.

  • MattymanxMattymanx Posts: 6,997
    nicstt said:
    Lyam said:

    Sooooooo, what are your views on spaces after periods at the end of sentences?  One or two spaces.  I think two looks better.  cheeky 

    Two used to be the norm; now one is the norm, and word processors throw a fit when there are two.

    i dont have an issue in Libre Office (Writer) with two spaces.

  • Stryder87Stryder87 Posts: 899
    Stryder87 said:

    Very well put.  It's become an 'anything-goes', 'don't tell me what to do' world.

     

    That explains bike riders in big cities...

    Oh gawd... don't even get me started on that!!!  angry

     

  • Stryder87Stryder87 Posts: 899

    But as mentioned at the beginning, I've been reviving my longhand writing, just because it's becoming a lost art.  Something of quality that my generation had that the new generation has thrown away.  Like good spelling, grammar, and cave painting. devil

    I read a great quote that basically said, pretty soon kids will have no ability to read or write longhand, so us oldtimers will be able to use it as secret code!!  laugh

     

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,119
    edited August 2016
    Stryder87 said:

    But as mentioned at the beginning, I've been reviving my longhand writing, just because it's becoming a lost art.  Something of quality that my generation had that the new generation has thrown away.  Like good spelling, grammar, and cave painting. devil

    I read a great quote that basically said, pretty soon kids will have no ability to read or write longhand, so us oldtimers will be able to use it as secret code!! 

    I've been trying to learn Russian.  Even practice Russian longhand.  I was having trouble.  Then I found this.  I don't feel quite so bad now.laugh

     

     

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  • ToborTobor Posts: 2,300

    My two cents (or two pence) is that we need to understand that a lot of the "ad copy" in question is graphical, which means errors require changes that they may not have time to fix before the stuff needs posted to the website. I don't like seeing them either, but I am realist enough to know that these things are truly done in a day.

    Well, not really. These are likely from Photoshop files, where everything is kept in layers, including the text. Unrasterized text layers are quickly edited by clicking in the text, and retyping it. Once spotted, a mistake like this would take 30 seconds to fix, and that would be on a slow computer!

     

  • alexhcowleyalexhcowley Posts: 2,403
    Hanabi said:

    it's a perfectly cromulant word.

     

    Pssst, it's cromulent.

    that's the UK spelling I think. 

    and spell check is no help with either of those! Dang you Daz and your bass-akwards website!

    In America, they spell words sensibly (thru). In England, we spell them properly (through).

    Cheers,

    Alex.

  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335
    Lyam said:

     

    So, yes.  I prefer two spaces between sentences when typing.  Unfortunately.  I've run across some website input fields that automatically squeeze it back to one. sad The programmer probably didn't take typing. enlightened

    Just as a note, virtually all web-encoding treats text input as HTML for encoding standards.  HTML/HTTP converts ALL whitespace to single spaces to conserve bandwidth.  This is why there is a "non-breaking space" character (&nbsp) that can be used and/or alternated to force spacing.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,119
    edited August 2016
    hphoenix said:
    Lyam said:

     

    So, yes.  I prefer two spaces between sentences when typing.  Unfortunately.  I've run across some website input fields that automatically squeeze it back to one. sad The programmer probably didn't take typing. enlightened

    Just as a note, virtually all web-encoding treats text input as HTML for encoding standards.  HTML/HTTP converts ALL whitespace to single spaces to conserve bandwidth.  This is why there is a "non-breaking space" character (&nbsp) that can be used and/or alternated to force spacing.

    Yes, I've given in to that. blush  And when I type my tomes into web forums I usually omit the paragraph indentations.  It's a sign that I'm not totally frozen in time.surprise  I'm well aware that language changes but when paid professionals repeatedly don't do their job properly and their unprofessional carelessness or sloth is paraded for all to see, someone should pay the piper. enlightened  (With notable exceptions for politicians! )

     

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  • hphoenixhphoenix Posts: 1,335
    hphoenix said:
    Lyam said:

     

    So, yes.  I prefer two spaces between sentences when typing.  Unfortunately.  I've run across some website input fields that automatically squeeze it back to one. sad The programmer probably didn't take typing. enlightened

    Just as a note, virtually all web-encoding treats text input as HTML for encoding standards.  HTML/HTTP converts ALL whitespace to single spaces to conserve bandwidth.  This is why there is a "non-breaking space" character (&nbsp) that can be used and/or alternated to force spacing.

    Yes, I've given in to that.  And when I type my tomes into web input fields I usually omit the paragraph indentations.  It's a sign that I'm not totally frozen in time.  I'm well aware that language changes but when paid professionals don't do their job properly and their unprofessional carelessness or sloth is paraded for all to see, someone should pay the piper.

     

     

    I was just noting why webforms can cause issues.  I am a strong proponent of good grammar, usage, and spelling.  In spoken language, it is understood that shortcuts and colloquialisms will be used.  In informal speech, it happens to an even greater degree.  But in the written form, language is supposed to be formal and precise.

    Many of the arguments for the more recent 'changes' to English reduce down to nothing more than a simple "We started using it incorrectly, but don't want to admit we were wrong and start using it properly."  It's not difficult to use the right words and use them in the right way.  Punctuation, spelling, grammar, usage.....we spend 12-13 years in school learning it.  (My school, a 1st to 12th school, we had English class EVERY year.)  You would think it would sink in just by osmosis, but evidently it doesn't.

    And don't even get me started on the issues with not teaching kids cursive writing......

     

  • CypherFOXCypherFOX Posts: 3,401

    Greetings,

    Of all the things to take a DAZ ad copy person to task for, 'live' vs. 'life' is... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    I'm presuming the OP was already in a crotchety mood and got into a, 'THIS FAR, AND NO FURTHER!' mindset from it.  It's not a firing offense.  It's a 'We should double-check our work before it goes public' offense, at the worst.  And (under the presumption that a small company like DAZ has more than one ad person) calling out other ad copy issues doesn't necessarily mean the same person did them.

    Or perhaps the whole point was the absolute absurdity of hyperbolic reaction over a trivial offense...

    Sure, you can make a slippery slope argument until the cows come home.  (Mixin' up dem meta4s like I was bjőrn to be mild!)  That doesn't make it true.

    Or, in the words of my heroin: (and now you get to figure out if I really meant that, because it works both ways!)

    Let it go, let it go
    Turn away and slam the door
    I don't care
    what they're going to say

    The tpyos never bothered me anyway.

    --  Morgan

     

  • StratDragonStratDragon Posts: 3,274
    Hanabi said:

    it's a perfectly cromulant word.

     

    Pssst, it's cromulent.

    that's the UK spelling I think. 

    and spell check is no help with either of those! Dang you Daz and your bass-akwards website!

    In America, they spell words sensibly (thru). In England, we spell them properly (through).

    Cheers,

    Alex.

    You spell them French, we spell them German

    And then there are words that make no sense from whatever end you happen to be looking at at the time:
    Aluminum, Herbs, Aubergine vs. Eggplant, anti-clockwise (that's just paradoxical time travel to an American), Digestive (Something that sounds disgusting but it's brilliant, and that has nothing to do with math), mad vs. crazy, mental vs.crazy, daft vs. crazy: do the English even have a word for crazy?  Biscuit/Cookie, Crisps/Chips, Chips/Fries, French Fries/Freedom Fries, French Roast Coffee/America Juice, Pudding (your pudding is made from the same animal as our Jello), Dr. Who, The Who, The Guess-Who (they're Canadian!), The Irish Who (U2), All the Who's in Whoville! The unpopularity of The Cure in England, Americans who never heard of Robbie Williams or Paul Weller, or Cliff Bloody Richards!

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