No encrypted for me.
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Plan B if indeed your doom and gloom scenario becomes true is DAZ would desist, at least for a while, from releasing encrypted products. I doubt they would remove the functionality enabling it though, not much point after you have spent the time putting it in, and they could always reactivate at a more opportune moment. However I suspect sales will stay overall flat (unless there is normal organic growth they would have gotten anyway), and in this case the encryption experiment would continue with a "Nothing lost, nothing gained" attitude.
As a previous Poser user this doesn't sound good. I had been planning on upgrading Poser. Guess DAZ wants Studio to be the only choice on the block for their content. I've already limited use of Genesis 1 and 2 and absolutly no Genesis 3 use for Carrara. If DAZ continues down this road they will use any Poser or future program like it.
And now the 'reinstall' process of the previously installed content evidently gets really slow after a hundred or so products so I have to close Studio and reopen it to continue... And of course each one has to start by confirming with servers that I own it so it can 'reinstall' the content already on my hard drive. I'm thinking it'd be easier to dump all the folders into a single runtime again. I'd at least have some use of them.
I remember those days all too well. I guess I have to trust Daz to not make me pay for DS featues that I currently have in the future if I have encrypted content. Trust....it's a slippery slope.
Can you imagine the commercial in that scenario?
"Yes, when you want your content encrypted and a nagging suspicion that the application you're paying hundreds of dollars for today will be given away free to everyone in just a few short weeks (because they already did it once before), then you want DAZ Studio 4.9+. Pre-order NOW!"
Who could pass up an offer like that?
I imagine something like: We encrypted your content to make it easier to find. Now we're making it easier to use with the new Daz Studio Elite! DS Elite will open your encrypted content to make it even easier to render....and it's free if you buy the new Victoria 8 for only $99.99---today only! And if you buy the Victoria 8 Pro bundle we'll waive the monthly log-in fee and give you genitals for free!
This is quite clearly a fiction.
Daz would say "Anatomical Elements."
Good point...and it would never be $99.99--that would be the price AFTER the 30% off. I'm glad it's only fiction...
I know, right? "genitals" -- "genitalia" -- what the heck are THOSE, anyways? Now "Anatomical Elements" -- EVERYBODY understands what that means, right?
DAZ trying to fix something that wasn't broken to begin with.
This is semi unrelated, but does have to do with leaving to less-encrypted pastures: The founder person who was an expert at anatomical drawing left Daz and made his own "most accurate figure ever" but then also stated that it would never be available with genitalia. So as silly as the whole "Anatomical Elements" thing is, Daz has at least been making its figures steadily more complete each generation (except G3M which was a bit of a backtrack.)
Anyone want to place a wager against the next generation of Anatomical Elements being encrypted, though?
A subscription service is very different from purchased content. You expect to lose access to your rented software when the rent period is over. You are doing business on a month-to-month or year-to-year basis. When you buy art assets, you expect them to always be there. When you rely on a network, it's unclear how long they will be there. The even bigger issue, though, is what will happen moving forward to the purchases you make today. New policies next year will imediately be applied to content you buy today. If your hard drive/motherboard breaks, what happens to the content you purchased? If your hard drive/motherboard breaks next year, will the policy be the same or will they have edited their policies next year such that if your hard drive/otherboard breaks you've just lost all your content? What will the policies and procedures be for getting to the content you buy today in two years? I don't know, and that's the problem. There's no telling what you're buying, because what you're buying can change at any time in the future. You have access to the content you buy at the policies they have today until they tell you otherwise. You will simply live with whatever policy changes they make in the future being applied to all of your purchases from now till then. I suppose I'm more willing to put up with it in the case of Steam because I trust Valve more. That and I tend to play a game to competition and then move on to something else. I think that's where business is headed. As corporations maintain control over everything they sell you forever, that question of how much you trust a company matters more and more. When Daz can change the way you get to content you've already purchased and change the way you use it and change anything about your access to the content you bought at any time they want you have to ask how much you trust Daz.
I paid for the Daz Studio 4, and Carrara "promises". Still waiting for the Dynamic clothes maker, hair and HD morphs and might have even updated were it not encyption making it so I can't control my own stuff. March madness about 3 years ago I purchaced everything I needed to get a pick of M5, the Supersuit, or a grab bag of items directly sent from Daz to my house. Do you know what they sent me? Someones desk that they cleaned out. With stuff like a light kinda like a lava lamp and 50 CD's worth of the same Akido installs (50 of the same CD!).. I mean this was Junk they sent me and went through the trouble to send it to my house after I spent all that money. Read this how you like but they don't care if they do then they have a funny way of showing it. I bet they erase this. So let me get to my point of the thread. Not for me, no way No how. "No encrypted for me". I was buying but I'm not now. Let the newbies find out for them selves. But my history with them is very bad except that I like there software and G1. But the software isn't all there doing and they don't seem to be doing much with it except for using it as a cow.
6 or 7 Character releases for every version of Genesis at $75 PC price for the PRo version and its now close to $100. thats $700 for each Generation of Genesis or more so like $1500 times the amount of people that buy these things which arent upgrades but instead "new" figures for a new Base. And I'm still using Genesis 1 and some of you are using V$ yet...lol come on!
DAZ connect is not showing items I've purchased. I picked up troubadour for Gen 2 males and textures and they have not showed up in my Connect. I bought those yesterday. They show up in my product library just not my connect client.
File format differences are about adding some feature. For an instance, many of them allow the file to record actions taken so you can load a file and press undo and actually start undoing commands. That's not the same thing as encryption. Depending on your licencing with Maya you could disconnect from the internet and load a file you created in Maya. You could also just save it as an OBJ. This means that you'll always have access to that art asset you made. It's different when you need to connect to a network to access your art asset. That's primarily what this is about. When you need to access that network to load an art asset (something that isn't the case with the file format for Maya (MB)), that means that future policies can be applied in the future to purchases made today. I don't know that I trust that they aren't going to tie my licence to my motherboard serial number or hard drive data I'm also not sure for how long they will continue to support content and what happens when they drop support for content.
I'm not trying to tell you who you should trust/not trust. I absolutely respect your decition to trust them. I'm just saying that this is now a MUCH more trust dependent relationship than it was before and how the nature of purchases have changed. I think everyone needs to know fundamentally how this changes the nature of every purchase. Honestly, it's more about tieing your purchases to a cloud network service than it is the encryption. The encryption is really more a means of tieing you to the network.
I can remember them saying not long ago that they had no plans to make purchases encryption only. I tend to question if that was an honest statement.
That's a sucker bet -- you're not taking my money that easily.
They changed their minds before day 1. I may be wrong but suspect they knew this was going to take place but didn't share it with everyone. The fact that there is already so much DRM and Connect ONLY content available indicates this to me. As I've stated before when DIM and manual downloads go away so do I.
Ehhh. Obviously the decision was made before the release day, but I seriously doubt it takes them long to pick some upcoming content and encrypt it now that the system has been created. A lot of the "free" stuff screams "intended for PC+" so they probably bought it out ages ago since they have content lined up well in advance of release.
If DAZ goes the way that products are connect and encrypted only products I will spend no more money here at the store (and I have spend thousands over the last years). If DAZ want me to spend no more money at their store, I will do so and will not spend more money.
If DAZ goes to hell (disappears from the scene) - what happens then with this new content (connect and encypted) if I buy a new machine and want to use DAZ on the new machine? I guess the new content will not work then.
The same with the DAZ software, if DAZ disappears from the scene how can we install DAZ software on a new machine and make it running?
Can we please try not panicking about DAZ "going to hell" less than a week after the first bit of encrypted content is released?
Um, this is an important question to have answered given the new direction they've chosen.
As far as I've heard there's some plan for some kind of full unlock in the event the company shuts down. Stories vary from 'we have one ready if necessary' to 'we're still working on it'. But at least for now they seem to have some idea of what precautions to take. After all, no company can ever say that they can't fail. Too many much bigger and stronger ones have.
It is just a question what happens then. If I would spend so much money for encrypted products as I have spend for "normal" products (thousands of dollars) I would be worry about this issue.
This has been discussed at length before and I don't think Daz has any plans to fold. In the unlikely event that might happen, I would trust them to provide a way to unencrypt previously encrypted content before they did. Raising worst case scenerios based on hypertheticals is the last thing we need at the moment.
I don't really want to get into the on-going battle (It was so nice and peaceful a week ago :( ) - But, they have said they are implementing a failsafe which would unlock encrypted content in the event of daz's demise. I think it was Steve that put that out there, but i've seen the idea come up a few times.
yes but I am not the only one I think who worries about that issue. It is money. And if you buy things you want to use them independently from the company you have bought them from.
If this independently use of bought products is not possible, then they should not sell the products but just rent/lease the products to us. BTW it would not be a surprise to me right now if DAZ goes that way in the future. pay per use
BTW it would not be a surprise to me right now, if DAZ goes the way "pay per use" in the future because If independently use is not possible, then they should not sell the products but rent them to us.
When you buy any Daz products you undertake to install it on only one machine anyway, it's in the EULA. As to the rent/lease idea, some think that's a future possibility like other software providers have done. Daz say they have no plans to do so. Not that their "no plans" phrase hasn't been contradicted before. And that's a different worry in itself.
...already used that earlier this month.
Not that I like the situation, but if you buy a CD of DVD you only have limited rights to "independent use". Have you seen all those warnings that appear before the movie starts? Can't copy, can't share etc. of what some think they own outright by buying it. That's exactly the same as the EULA for Daz products. By buying it you only have limited rights of what you can do with it, and that doesn't include "independent use" to do anything you want.