No encrypted for me.

LeatherGryphon

The fact that I wake up this morning to find over 160 more posts in this thread from 10:00 last night indicates to me that this topic has hit a hot button and is not going away anytime soon.  I certainly hope some enterprising mod summarizes the arguments to the people who threw this wrench into the mechanism because they certainly wouldn't take the time to read all these posts.

 

WendyLuvsCatz

I draw your attention to the landing page for DAZ 3D, Connect is all good and fine in DAZ studio but for these users a file format they can use is more important and a way to get it out of DAZ studio all that they want, and it has effectively killed any way Poser can do that easily.

maybe the page needs editing ....

Leana

DAZ_Spooky said:

It doesn't work because, the way it is done now is by running a post install script. Daz Connect doesn't do that. It has nothing to do with encryption or file organization. They are Poser files after all.

Except that right now Exp content doesn't work correctly if all files are not installed in the same directory...

 

Oso3D

I'll point out that one doesn't have to presume malice to view a company as untrustworthy.

 

Richard Haseltine

Serene Night said:

DAZ connect is not showing items I've purchased. I picked up troubadour for Gen 2 males and textures and they have not showed up in my Connect. I bought those yesterday. They show up in my product library just not my connect client.

You mean the Product Library page on your site account page? You cana lways download the Offline Authoriastion packages, but they should be showing in Smart Content and in Content Library>Products if you log in from DS too. I don't know if the servers are still being hammered - general site peformance seems normal - so it may be worth opening a ticket if they haven't popped-up by now.

lx_2807502

I don't really think they did bundle it together hoping no one would notice. It's sort of like saying that the ever changing prices during sales are intentionally out to get you. There's usually a much simpler answer.

DAZ_Spooky

Leana said:

DAZ_Spooky said:

It doesn't work because, the way it is done now is by running a post install script. Daz Connect doesn't do that. It has nothing to do with encryption or file organization. They are Poser files after all.

Except that right now Exp content doesn't work correctly if all files are not installed in the same directory...

 

Which is true, but not the reason it doesn't work with Daz Connect. (Though that may affect things after it is installed.) 

Tigerschnecke

I hope that perhaps some of the vendors who get their products assigned as encrypted-only may be able (and interested in) selling their content elsewhere. If it is relevant high-quality content, I would be willing to pay a few extra dollars compared to here.

Kharma

DAZ_Spooky said:

Leana said:

DAZ_Spooky said:

It doesn't work because, the way it is done now is by running a post install script. Daz Connect doesn't do that. It has nothing to do with encryption or file organization. They are Poser files after all.

Except that right now Exp content doesn't work correctly if all files are not installed in the same directory...

 

Which is true, but not the reason it doesn't work with Daz Connect. (Though that may affect things after it is installed.) 

So if I only want to use Daz Connect to install all my files how do I get V4, M4 etc to work?

argel1200

Tigerschnecke said:

I hope that perhaps some of the vendors who get their products assigned as encrypted-only may be able (and interested in) selling their content elsewhere. If it is relevant high-quality content, I would be willing to pay a few extra dollars compared to here.

One of the reasons mentioned for the encryption early on (assuming I remember correctly) is to attract new PAs. So it may be interesting to see if some new names show up selling encrypted only content. Maybe they are hoping to entice some of the high end vendors to sell encrypted versions of stuff here. Some of those giant sci-fi cityscapes on Turbosquid that sell for $500+ come to mind. I'm not going to hold my breath though. Though if I could pick up an ecrypyted version for $5 for a $500 item, I would consider it. But for $50, I might die of laughter. Edit: is content for Unity sold encrypted?

lx_2807502

argel1200 said:

Tigerschnecke said:

I hope that perhaps some of the vendors who get their products assigned as encrypted-only may be able (and interested in) selling their content elsewhere. If it is relevant high-quality content, I would be willing to pay a few extra dollars compared to here.

One of the reasons mentioned for the encryption early on (assuming I remember correctly) is to attract new PAs. So it may be interesting to see if some new names show up selling encrypted only content. Maybe they are hoping to entice some of the high end vendors to sell encrypted versions of stuff here. Some of those giant sci-fi cityscapes on Turbosquid that sell for $500+ come to mind. I'm not going to hold my breath though. Though if I could pick up an ecrypyted version for $5 for a $500 item, I would consider it. But for $50, I might die of laughter. Edit: is content for Unity sold encrypted?

I dunno, I'd bite at $50 for a $500 type item. Some sort of massive influx of a new type of content that wouldn't otherwise be available would actually make the encryption make some sense to implement. That said, also not holding my breath or speculate that such a thing might ever occur. 

wiz

TheKD said:

HD morphs bro. Been making regular morphs forever, I know I can still make those and slap some displacement maps on it. 

I love displacement maps. But...

• animating them in and out is a freaking pain, compared to how HD morphs tie into the animation system.
• HD morphs combine well. You can dial in a dozen different ones, like different vascularity on the face, chest, and arms. Try that with 5 separate displacement maps in the LIE. (Does LIE even layer displacement maps? I don't recall trying).
• HD morphs can be constrained to specific sub-d levels, while displacement maps will always attempt maximum sub-d.
• HD morphs affect clothing, especially if you've got the smoothing itterations turned up. No pokethrough.

On the other hand...

• with the right scripts, animating things like pulsing along veins (instead of entire veins pulsing as a unit), making things crawl under the skin, or aging, is much easier in displacement maps.
• HD morphs affect clothing, especially if you've got the smoothing itterations turned up. This can look "ickly" with some HD morphs.

Spit

SimonJM said:

Spit said:

SimonJM said:

<edit>

Metadata import complete, and all looks to be well

</edit>

Is the metadata for ALL products you 'own'?

I have not done a product-by-product check, but first glance suggests it may well be all.

Thanks!!

Richard Haseltine

This will likely get merged into the other thread,

This discussion was created from comments split from: Changing Products To Encrypted Without Announcing It?.

Daikatana

For anyone still following this, I have a bit of a (hopefully positive ) heads up.

All of the PC+ new releases for today were released in unencrypted format. Also they were made available for DIM, Connect, and Manual Download.

I decided to show my apppreciation for this choice with my wallet.  Hopefully others do as well and the sales dept takes note.

Kaleb242

nicstt said:

Morpheon said:

I find it really interesting that in the time since DAZ announced they were going to start encrypting content, they've released about a half-dozen videos on their YouTube channel highlighting all the supposedly wonderful things about DS 4.9: the Smart Content, the ability to purchase content in-app, the renderer improvements, the animation tools, blah blah blah. However, in not ONE of those videos does DAZ even mention the DRM, let alone explain how it's implemented, how it will affect the average user, or why it was even necessary, given DRM's less-than-inspiring history. Doesn't it come across as kind of deceitful not to give people the full story when you're trying to entice them to become or remain customers at DAZ these days? And yet DAZ continually asks us to trust them.

+1

Instead, there is a forum post with 36 FAQs in 2 pages specifically for Daz Connect:
http://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/comment/941598/

TL;DR?

Who thinks DAZ_Vince should be required to make a video highlighting every bullet point? 
; )

gregbo

Just submitted a help desk ticket suggestion letting them know that they lost sales from me on several of their recently released DRM Encryption only items.

Diomede

I will not be buying any DRM encryption only products.  I note that an alternative marketplace is promoting the fact that their products do not use DMR only.  Also, I would prefer anything that is Carrara compatible, which the Daz store is moving away from on a number of fronts.

wgdjohn

+1

acanthis

Daikatana said:

For anyone still following this, I have a bit of a (hopefully positive ) heads up.

All of the PC+ new releases for today were released in unencrypted format. Also they were made available for DIM, Connect, and Manual Download.

I decided to show my apppreciation for this choice with my wallet.  Hopefully others do as well and the sales dept takes note.

For me the question would be whether they stay that way, but I don't want to speculate.

DustRider

acanthis said:

Daikatana said:

For anyone still following this, I have a bit of a (hopefully positive ) heads up.

All of the PC+ new releases for today were released in unencrypted format. Also they were made available for DIM, Connect, and Manual Download.

I decided to show my apppreciation for this choice with my wallet.  Hopefully others do as well and the sales dept takes note.

For me the question would be whether they stay that way, but I don't want to speculate.

I actually stayed up a little later last night to see if the PC+ freebie was going to be available as a non-connect only product. I was happy when it was, but I also "purchased" and downloaded it immediately before someone could flip the connect/encrypted switch, incase it was supposed to be encrypted or connect only.

lx_2807502

DustRider said:

acanthis said:

Daikatana said:

For anyone still following this, I have a bit of a (hopefully positive ) heads up.

All of the PC+ new releases for today were released in unencrypted format. Also they were made available for DIM, Connect, and Manual Download.

I decided to show my apppreciation for this choice with my wallet.  Hopefully others do as well and the sales dept takes note.

For me the question would be whether they stay that way, but I don't want to speculate.

I actually stayed up a little later last night to see if the PC+ freebie was going to be available as a non-connect only product. I was happy when it was, but I also "purchased" and downloaded it immediately before someone could flip the connect/encrypted switch, incase it was supposed to be encryted or connect only.

Everything I've bought in the past few days has been downloaded so fast, since I don't want to speculate on any possible changes to them.

IceDragonArt

So I have decided to load 4.9 on my computer at work (and yes, my boss knows and doesn't care) as an experiment to see what the difference is and if my content categories will work the same.  Also to see what the improvements to the render engines really are.  I also want to actually see what the smart content looks like.  This hasn't changed my mind about encrypted content but I had no way to tell if my personal concerns about other parts of the upgrade were valid or not without actually compromising my home pc and laptop.  I will try things out on my work computer because if something goes wrong it doesn't matter.  I have no stake in the content loaded on my work computer because I don't generally use it for this (and yes, my boss is an awesome guy who totally understands my obsession and has no issues with what I do as long as his work gets done first.) I still am completely against something that may, if in the future something goes terribly wrong, lock me out of content I have paid for.  And even though I have only been here 4 1/2 months I have spent well over a $1000 (I'm afraid to look its probably at least twice that) I have issues with if something goes wrong and I need to get online to re verify or whatever and I am somewhere without internet I am just SOL. (We camp a lot in the summer and some places have wifi, most don't.) I get a LOT of work done offline around the campfire so it would really stink if I was unable to do that.

Daikatana

acanthis said:

Daikatana said:

For anyone still following this, I have a bit of a (hopefully positive ) heads up.

All of the PC+ new releases for today were released in unencrypted format. Also they were made available for DIM, Connect, and Manual Download.

I decided to show my apppreciation for this choice with my wallet.  Hopefully others do as well and the sales dept takes note.

For me the question would be whether they stay that way, but I don't want to speculate.

So far they have stayed with the multi-install format. 

 

Richard Haseltine

Daikatana said:

acanthis said:

Daikatana said:

For anyone still following this, I have a bit of a (hopefully positive ) heads up.

All of the PC+ new releases for today were released in unencrypted format. Also they were made available for DIM, Connect, and Manual Download.

I decided to show my apppreciation for this choice with my wallet.  Hopefully others do as well and the sales dept takes note.

For me the question would be whether they stay that way, but I don't want to speculate.

So far they have stayed with the multi-install format. 

The only items to have been changed were intended, and advertised, to be encrypted from the outset.

Barubary

 

Chohole said:

I love conspiracy theories. I used to just live on it. You know it's all hype and garbage, but you're still really paranoid afterwards. It's fun entertainment.

said Doug Stanhope

I agree. It's like my gramps used to say: "Condescension is the best way to move forward a discussion. And certainly the best to calm people down."

 

There is no reason he said that to me of all people, of course

 

 

Also I made that up.

nicstt

Richard Haseltine said:

Daikatana said:

acanthis said:

Daikatana said:

For anyone still following this, I have a bit of a (hopefully positive ) heads up.

All of the PC+ new releases for today were released in unencrypted format. Also they were made available for DIM, Connect, and Manual Download.

I decided to show my apppreciation for this choice with my wallet.  Hopefully others do as well and the sales dept takes note.

For me the question would be whether they stay that way, but I don't want to speculate.

So far they have stayed with the multi-install format. 

The only items to have been changed were intended, and advertised, to be encrypted from the outset.

I remember the initial release of 4.9 beta encrpted all content. That was changed within a few days or so iirc.

Richard Haseltine

nicstt said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Daikatana said:

acanthis said:

Daikatana said:

For anyone still following this, I have a bit of a (hopefully positive ) heads up.

All of the PC+ new releases for today were released in unencrypted format. Also they were made available for DIM, Connect, and Manual Download.

I decided to show my apppreciation for this choice with my wallet.  Hopefully others do as well and the sales dept takes note.

For me the question would be whether they stay that way, but I don't want to speculate.

So far they have stayed with the multi-install format. 

The only items to have been changed were intended, and advertised, to be encrypted from the outset.

I remember the initial release of 4.9 beta encrpted all content. That was changed within a few days or so iirc.

Not quite the same, though - and not in the direction of encryption. I thought that was so people had the encrypted stuff to make sure the system worked.

argel1200

Richard Haseltine said:

Not quite the same, though - and not in the direction of encryption. I thought that was so people had the encrypted stuff to make sure the system worked.

That was my undedrstanding as well. I think DAZ_Rawb even stated that. It makes sense since that's the point of betas.

nicstt

Richard Haseltine said:

nicstt said:

Richard Haseltine said:

Daikatana said:

acanthis said:

Daikatana said:

For anyone still following this, I have a bit of a (hopefully positive ) heads up.

All of the PC+ new releases for today were released in unencrypted format. Also they were made available for DIM, Connect, and Manual Download.

I decided to show my apppreciation for this choice with my wallet.  Hopefully others do as well and the sales dept takes note.

For me the question would be whether they stay that way, but I don't want to speculate.

So far they have stayed with the multi-install format. 

The only items to have been changed were intended, and advertised, to be encrypted from the outset.

I remember the initial release of 4.9 beta encrpted all content. That was changed within a few days or so iirc.

Not quite the same, though - and not in the direction of encryption. I thought that was so people had the encrypted stuff to make sure the system worked.

I don't know if that was the reason, but it did make sense to release it, otherwise no way of knowing if it would work. It isn't how I remember the threads, but I could be mistaken.