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  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,404
    Jason Galterio said:
    icecrmn said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Serene Night said:

    I have a question. All my content has thus far been installed by dim. Why does it say install when I right click on my stuff? All this content is already installed. When I click on install it installs but where? I already have a runtime on my e drive. Where is this going now? I hope not c drive as I have little space there....

    The Connect content goes to \Data\Cloud\1_##### (where ##### is the SKU). If the product is already installed, and the files match those from the Connect service (same version, compressed) then Connect will use them and not download a fresh copy. 4.9 will use the Connect install, if present, rather than a DIM/manual install.

    Note that the location of the Data\Cloud folder iss et separately from the main content directories, and defaults to the \DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library location - if you don't usualy use that you may want to change it in the Content Directory Manager and manaully move the Data\Cloud folder in to your preferred location.

    Excuse me, but where is this "Cloud" directory? I want to make sure its not going to a Drive that is going to be a problem.

    It's the first listing in the "Content Directory Manager" settings in Studio. Press F2 or "Edit>Preferences" in the main toolbar. Click the "Content Library" tab.Then click the big button on the bottom labeled "Content Directory Manager" 

    #%^@$&*&*%$@54@%&*$&*@%$

    The C: drive? AGAIN?

    This is the kind of information that DAZ SHOULD BE PUBLISHING IN A USER'S MANUAL!

    Now I know why my test computer went to #$^&#&^$& pot.

    Per Microsoft's guidelines on where to put things - and the only drive absolutely guaranteed to be on a Windows computer; would you like a default to the D: drive, which on a great many systems is a CD or DVD drive?

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,574
    namffuak said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    icecrmn said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Serene Night said:

    I have a question. All my content has thus far been installed by dim. Why does it say install when I right click on my stuff? All this content is already installed. When I click on install it installs but where? I already have a runtime on my e drive. Where is this going now? I hope not c drive as I have little space there....

    The Connect content goes to \Data\Cloud\1_##### (where ##### is the SKU). If the product is already installed, and the files match those from the Connect service (same version, compressed) then Connect will use them and not download a fresh copy. 4.9 will use the Connect install, if present, rather than a DIM/manual install.

    Note that the location of the Data\Cloud folder iss et separately from the main content directories, and defaults to the \DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library location - if you don't usualy use that you may want to change it in the Content Directory Manager and manaully move the Data\Cloud folder in to your preferred location.

    Excuse me, but where is this "Cloud" directory? I want to make sure its not going to a Drive that is going to be a problem.

    It's the first listing in the "Content Directory Manager" settings in Studio. Press F2 or "Edit>Preferences" in the main toolbar. Click the "Content Library" tab.Then click the big button on the bottom labeled "Content Directory Manager" 

    #%^@$&*&*%$@54@%&*$&*@%$

    The C: drive? AGAIN?

    This is the kind of information that DAZ SHOULD BE PUBLISHING IN A USER'S MANUAL!

    Now I know why my test computer went to #$^&#&^$& pot.

    Per Microsoft's guidelines on where to put things - and the only drive absolutely guaranteed to be on a Windows computer; would you like a default to the D: drive, which on a great many systems is a CD or DVD drive?

    I suspect his answer would be that he would like the default to be the same drive that DAZ Studio is installed on, which is a reasonable request

  • IceCrMnIceCrMn Posts: 2,319

    I have 6 drives in my machine.Windows can only read the filesystems on 2 of them.The other 4 are linux and BSD filesysytems.

    Maybe a "first run" script would help out here.Something with options to place the Connect library and help getting the database migrated in a visual way.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    Novica said:
    Hera said:

    Does this mean that DIM will retire?

    Nope. And you can actually run DIM and Connect at the same time, if you really want to blow your mind.

    ....if not your bandwidth.

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 41,847
    edited January 2016
    argel1200 said:
    DAZ_Steve said:
    Novica said:

    I don't feel you are treating the vast majority of us like criminals, I think it is a realistic approach to protecting your vendors.  BTW, I installed 4.9 and all the custom categories I made in Content Library are there and looking beautiful over in the Smart Content pane. Flawless execution! Kudos. I posted screenshots over in my Art Studio thread. 

    I think my hesitation is the money invested in products that I, at some point, can't physically put on my computer in case something happens to DAZ. If and when DIM ever goes away, or manual installation, (I put all my products on external hard drives) then yes, I will quit buying. So it's not the encryption, it's the having a copy that I can call up. You've said DIM is going to be here for a long time, so I'm not worried. That's just me.

    Files will still work offline.  So, even if something were to happen to Daz, you would continue to use your encrypted files.  But, that is because your computer authenticated (before Daz went away in our theoretical example) and got the appropariate info for your login to allow you to decrypt your content.  This means your stuff keeps working, but that other people (who don't use your login) can't use it on their computers.

    It breaks any scripts that need to access files that will now be encrypted directly. Like the older send int he clones, soem of the pose converters, etc.

     

    ...add to that morph kits like Growing Up, utilities like Skin Builder Pro, and Let It Snow.

    Post edited by kyoto kid on
  • nicsttnicstt Posts: 11,715
    Barubary said:

    I kind of think people are getting worked up over the wrong thing at this point in time.

     

    As Cypherfox recently argued, the whole DRM thing is probably just a side-effect of DAZ trying to force a more streamlined content management. Which sounds mean, but does make a lot of sense for a company. Finding and managing 3D content is hard. Especially for someone new to the hobby. And DAZ is trying to make their application as simple and easy to use as possible, so beginners don't get scared away. And to remove some pressure from their customer support. I mean we live in a day and age where Apple products matter because they look like fisher price toys and are about as hard to use, so they are accessible to everyone. The price for this simplicity is freedom.

     

    And while it makes sense for DAZ, and I understand their point of view, I am not at all happy about this. Because now the people how have proven again and again and again that they are not qualified to organize a content database (from my own personaly view, of course, because everyone has their own preferred way of working, I'm sure their content management all makes sense to them), DAZ and / or their PAs, are forcing their ways on everyone else.

    Well forcing is too strong a word. I know, we can still use categories. But really, going through a tedious task like content management, working from within a program not specifically designed for content management, is going to be a big NO for me. Organizing content in DS is slow, sluggish and inconvenient. I'll either work in a tiny tab as opposed to my full screen or keep resizing my 3D workspace which I hate. I cannot use the scripts I have and I'm not sure how many shortcuts work inside DAZ. Drag and drop, copy and paste, creating new folders or renaming old ones, none of that - in my experience - works quite a smoothly in DS as it does in the old, trusty Windows Explorer. And, yes, I'm sure there are still better alternatives that the Explorer.

    And if the software buggers up, it's all gone or something (we just need one upgrade that breaks compatibility). And yet, on the bottom level, it will still be the same old chaos. Maybe worse, when they think they don't have to keep any sort of order. What if DAZ goes away and is succeeded by some other 3D program. You may still wanna use your old content, but good luck finding anything in without your now useless categories.

    Installing content is a task that I dread already, but now DAZ wants me to do it with a big iron ball around my ankle? Just no.

     

    And all that still has nothing to say about the power DAZ theoretically gains over our content with a system like this. Power they swear they will never use (or rather 'don't currently have plans for...'), but I believe they still should not have. Because they will use it when it they feel they can make a dollar more. Just look at what DAZ and many PAs keep saying on the boards, when they feel they have to defend their decisions. In the end, it all comes down to what makes the most money. Moral questions or convenience for the customer are not the priority. DAZ is not our friend. It's a company. So I would be very careful where I put my trust.

    Streamlining the content management - which had serious issues - did not require DRM.

    The DRM is a seperate issue, and connect without DRM would be interesting and worth investigating.

    Otherwise your post seems spot on.

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    namffuak said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    icecrmn said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Serene Night said:

    I have a question. All my content has thus far been installed by dim. Why does it say install when I right click on my stuff? All this content is already installed. When I click on install it installs but where? I already have a runtime on my e drive. Where is this going now? I hope not c drive as I have little space there....

    The Connect content goes to \Data\Cloud\1_##### (where ##### is the SKU). If the product is already installed, and the files match those from the Connect service (same version, compressed) then Connect will use them and not download a fresh copy. 4.9 will use the Connect install, if present, rather than a DIM/manual install.

    Note that the location of the Data\Cloud folder iss et separately from the main content directories, and defaults to the \DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library location - if you don't usualy use that you may want to change it in the Content Directory Manager and manaully move the Data\Cloud folder in to your preferred location.

    Excuse me, but where is this "Cloud" directory? I want to make sure its not going to a Drive that is going to be a problem.

    It's the first listing in the "Content Directory Manager" settings in Studio. Press F2 or "Edit>Preferences" in the main toolbar. Click the "Content Library" tab.Then click the big button on the bottom labeled "Content Directory Manager" 

    #%^@$&*&*%$@54@%&*$&*@%$

    The C: drive? AGAIN?

    This is the kind of information that DAZ SHOULD BE PUBLISHING IN A USER'S MANUAL!

    Now I know why my test computer went to #$^&#&^$& pot.

    Per Microsoft's guidelines on where to put things - and the only drive absolutely guaranteed to be on a Windows computer; would you like a default to the D: drive, which on a great many systems is a CD or DVD drive?

    I would like it to give me a chance to tell it where to go...  Which isnt the case with DIM or this Cloud.

    And I do not have a CD ROM drive on my laptop. It's SSD plus HD combination. No DVD, no CD.

  • NovicaNovica Posts: 23,924
    kyoto kid said:
    Novica said:
    Hera said:

    Does this mean that DIM will retire?

    Nope. And you can actually run DIM and Connect at the same time, if you really want to blow your mind.

    ....if not your bandwidth.

    And doing both at the same time may totally mess up your custom categories, but they're not sure. I did NOT have DIM and Connect going at the same time, but since Daz_Rawb mentioned that might be a factor (they're simply eliminating the possibilities) I wouldn't do both simultaneously. Customer Service will have to figure it out.

  • frogimusfrogimus Posts: 200
    Novica said:
    kyoto kid said:
    Novica said:
    Hera said:

    Does this mean that DIM will retire?

    Nope. And you can actually run DIM and Connect at the same time, if you really want to blow your mind.

    ....if not your bandwidth.

    And doing both at the same time may totally mess up your custom categories, but they're not sure. I did NOT have DIM and Connect going at the same time, but since Daz_Rawb mentioned that might be a factor (they're simply eliminating the possibilities) I wouldn't do both simultaneously. Customer Service will have to figure it out.

    I have a feeling customer service is in for a huge week

  • Robert FreiseRobert Freise Posts: 4,573
    namffuak said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    icecrmn said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Serene Night said:

    I have a question. All my content has thus far been installed by dim. Why does it say install when I right click on my stuff? All this content is already installed. When I click on install it installs but where? I already have a runtime on my e drive. Where is this going now? I hope not c drive as I have little space there....

    The Connect content goes to \Data\Cloud\1_##### (where ##### is the SKU). If the product is already installed, and the files match those from the Connect service (same version, compressed) then Connect will use them and not download a fresh copy. 4.9 will use the Connect install, if present, rather than a DIM/manual install.

    Note that the location of the Data\Cloud folder iss et separately from the main content directories, and defaults to the \DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library location - if you don't usualy use that you may want to change it in the Content Directory Manager and manaully move the Data\Cloud folder in to your preferred location.

    Excuse me, but where is this "Cloud" directory? I want to make sure its not going to a Drive that is going to be a problem.

    It's the first listing in the "Content Directory Manager" settings in Studio. Press F2 or "Edit>Preferences" in the main toolbar. Click the "Content Library" tab.Then click the big button on the bottom labeled "Content Directory Manager" 

    #%^@$&*&*%$@54@%&*$&*@%$

    The C: drive? AGAIN?

    This is the kind of information that DAZ SHOULD BE PUBLISHING IN A USER'S MANUAL!

    Now I know why my test computer went to #$^&#&^$& pot.

    Per Microsoft's guidelines on where to put things - and the only drive absolutely guaranteed to be on a Windows computer; would you like a default to the D: drive, which on a great many systems is a CD or DVD drive?

     

    Realistically any program should give you the option of where to install to Micrsux has always wanted total control of where everything goes and how you use it

     

  • Aiijuin GraphicsAiijuin Graphics Posts: 171
    edited January 2016

    I downloaded and have been test trying DAZ 4.9 all day - on a laptop that I rarely use anymore, so I don't really care either way whether I have said program installed on it or not.  So much so, that I still have Poser 8 installed on it, which I had long abandoned years ago back when an i7 processor was the newest thing.

    Anyway, I earned some free Encrypted ONLY content with my latest purchase...

    YAY!

    Wait... wait... wait...

    UH-OH...

    I can't find my new content in DAZ 4.9.  I logged out.  I logged back in.  I shut DAZ 4.9 down.  I restarted it again.  I used the Smart Filter search.  I searched everywhere.  I followed all of the tutorial directions.  I returned to my store account on the website and downloaded my new content manually. 

    *Sigh*  I have to do what now to install my new content offline?!?

    Oh, crud!  My encrypted files are NOT duf or dsf files, which means (drumroll) the freebie items cannot be used by DAZ 4.8!  (Yeah, they kind of mentioned that, but I was still hoping that there were some other options for us offliner people who are striking against encrypted file formats, which cannot be read by older DAZ versions.)

    In short:  Encrypted sucks basically!  I can't take my files from DAZ 4.9 and bring them over manually into my DAZ 4.8 and place them on to my offline workstation.

    NOPE!  I'm NOT using this updated DAZ.  I'm trying to be fair.  I'm trying to learn.  However, it's simply another Windows 8 - if-it-ain't-broke-then-why-are-we-fixin'-it - learning curve.  I need results quickly, and I had rather enjoyed the simplicity of DIM and DAZ 4.8.  Nope, I never once complained on the forums.  I had been an eternally grateful customer until today.  I simply copied the files that I had purchased from the store unto a slave drive and then placed them into my DAZ3D 4.8 studio on my offline workstation, and voila!  DIM solved everything by installing everything quickly into the correct place. 

    Done and done.  No searching.  No frustration whatsoever.  But now.........................

    *Sigh* <--- again.

    Why am I feeling the same pangs of aggravation that Poser 8 had dealt me about 5 years ago, when I just tried and tried to learn the program, but the instruction booklet (that I bought online) was about 600 pages for just the basic 'stuff' and it read like a VCR manual?  I hung up Poser 8 and walked away from 3D altogether for four years after that, until I was introduced to DAZ 4.7 last year. It was the greatest moment of my life.

    Only now... why do I feel that same ole' feeling of an uphill unhappy learning curve coming on again with DAZ 4.9?

    Ungh... I'm whining, and I hate to do that, but I couldn't even hook up my offline workstation in order to authorize the account NOT even once if I wanted to, because it doesn't HAVE the ability to connect to the internet. It has NO ethernet card! >.< ~doh!

    C'mon, DAZ!  There are those of us who have loved you and have supported you all the way up until this moment! 

    Many of us, like me - have sunken thousands of $$$ into your store - dumping away entire paycheck in order to purchase your wonderful content over the years.  Could you please create a way to reinstate non-encrypted files for those who choose to stay offline ALWAYS, and transfer their files unto another machine that have no capacity to ever go live on a grid, PLEASE!?

     

    Post edited by Aiijuin Graphics on
  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,926
    Jason Galterio said:
    lx said:
     

    Pretty much every piece of software does this. If you're concerned about a program using space, you should be checking during the install process and in options once installed to make sure all of the paths go to places you want to store things. This is true with any program. 

    Wrong.

    My DS is installed on my E drive. My Content Directories are all on my F drive. All of those items are still there.

    4.9 choose to add items to "Cloud" on my C drive. Without permission, being told to install there, or giving me an option to put somewhere else. It happened automatically at 4.9 start up.

    Programs from DAZ are the only ones that seem to choose to install items on C, even when I expressly point them to other directories.

    I think your "My Documents" folder was still set to C:. Mine is set to a duifferent drive and DS used that. Find your Documents folder (the actual default one, which may not be the location you use for documents), right-click, select Properties, and in the Location tab set the folder you want to use as your default documents folder. That should make sure any similar situation in future uses a non-C: default.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 107,926
    kyoto kid said:
    argel1200 said:
    DAZ_Steve said:
    Novica said:

    I don't feel you are treating the vast majority of us like criminals, I think it is a realistic approach to protecting your vendors.  BTW, I installed 4.9 and all the custom categories I made in Content Library are there and looking beautiful over in the Smart Content pane. Flawless execution! Kudos. I posted screenshots over in my Art Studio thread. 

    I think my hesitation is the money invested in products that I, at some point, can't physically put on my computer in case something happens to DAZ. If and when DIM ever goes away, or manual installation, (I put all my products on external hard drives) then yes, I will quit buying. So it's not the encryption, it's the having a copy that I can call up. You've said DIM is going to be here for a long time, so I'm not worried. That's just me.

    Files will still work offline.  So, even if something were to happen to Daz, you would continue to use your encrypted files.  But, that is because your computer authenticated (before Daz went away in our theoretical example) and got the appropariate info for your login to allow you to decrypt your content.  This means your stuff keeps working, but that other people (who don't use your login) can't use it on their computers.

    It breaks any scripts that need to access files that will now be encrypted directly. Like the older send int he clones, soem of the pose converters, etc.

     

    ...add to that morph kits like Growing Up, utilities like Skin Builder Pro, and Let It Snow.

    I'm not certain about Let It Snow, but the others are plain morphs (work normally) and a script that uses its own daat and can modify applied materials, neither of which require access to encrypted .duf files. I think Let It Snow is the same, modifying materials already applied to a selected model in the scene, in which case it would not be broken either.

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,404
    Jason Galterio said:
    namffuak said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    icecrmn said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Serene Night said:

    I have a question. All my content has thus far been installed by dim. Why does it say install when I right click on my stuff? All this content is already installed. When I click on install it installs but where? I already have a runtime on my e drive. Where is this going now? I hope not c drive as I have little space there....

    The Connect content goes to \Data\Cloud\1_##### (where ##### is the SKU). If the product is already installed, and the files match those from the Connect service (same version, compressed) then Connect will use them and not download a fresh copy. 4.9 will use the Connect install, if present, rather than a DIM/manual install.

    Note that the location of the Data\Cloud folder iss et separately from the main content directories, and defaults to the \DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library location - if you don't usualy use that you may want to change it in the Content Directory Manager and manaully move the Data\Cloud folder in to your preferred location.

    Excuse me, but where is this "Cloud" directory? I want to make sure its not going to a Drive that is going to be a problem.

    It's the first listing in the "Content Directory Manager" settings in Studio. Press F2 or "Edit>Preferences" in the main toolbar. Click the "Content Library" tab.Then click the big button on the bottom labeled "Content Directory Manager" 

    #%^@$&*&*%$@54@%&*$&*@%$

    The C: drive? AGAIN?

    This is the kind of information that DAZ SHOULD BE PUBLISHING IN A USER'S MANUAL!

    Now I know why my test computer went to #$^&#&^$& pot.

    Per Microsoft's guidelines on where to put things - and the only drive absolutely guaranteed to be on a Windows computer; would you like a default to the D: drive, which on a great many systems is a CD or DVD drive?

    I would like it to give me a chance to tell it where to go...  Which isnt the case with DIM or this Cloud.

    And I do not have a CD ROM drive on my laptop. It's SSD plus HD combination. No DVD, no CD.

    Um - they do. In DIM, click the gear icon (setup) and change the directories to your heart's content. Then, in Studio go through Content tab -> options -> content directory maintenance and finish putting things where you want them. Downloads, install directories, CMS database location - hey can all be changed.

  • CbirdCbird Posts: 493

    Dear Daz and Published Artists,

    I get you will make decisions best for your business. Unfortunately this seems to mean a lot less interest in getting my business.

    i have bought every upgrade to Carrara since 2008 from 6.2 to the half-baked 8.5.

    i have bought over 130 pages of content.

    i have bought a Platinum membership every year.

    i am still waiting on the following:

    Genesis--declared compatible in 8.5, oh but still no geografting

    Genesis 2--still not declared compatible 

    Genesis 3--promised sometime in the future

    Move to duf has resulted in many products only half working in Carrara. Displacement, DS materials, won't make the trip. Things tend to be LESS compatible with Carrara than when I began.

    Now we are told there are no plans to have Connect work with Carrara, yet the release of Connect only products has begun. I will be sorry not to be able to continue to support the many PAs who do fine work and whose products I enjoy. Not my choice.

     

  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562
    edited January 2016
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    lx said:
     

    Pretty much every piece of software does this. If you're concerned about a program using space, you should be checking during the install process and in options once installed to make sure all of the paths go to places you want to store things. This is true with any program. 

    Wrong.

    My DS is installed on my E drive. My Content Directories are all on my F drive. All of those items are still there.

    4.9 choose to add items to "Cloud" on my C drive. Without permission, being told to install there, or giving me an option to put somewhere else. It happened automatically at 4.9 start up.

    Programs from DAZ are the only ones that seem to choose to install items on C, even when I expressly point them to other directories.

    I think your "My Documents" folder was still set to C:. Mine is set to a duifferent drive and DS used that. Find your Documents folder (the actual default one, which may not be the location you use for documents), right-click, select Properties, and in the Location tab set the folder you want to use as your default documents folder. That should make sure any similar situation in future uses a non-C: default.

    I am not moving the "My Documents" just because DAZ cannot provide something as fundamental as a "Put these here" prompt or documentation that says how to do the upgrade.

    "My Documents" is not a DS only directory. It's where it is because I need it where it is. "My Documents" remains on C so that my important files get backed up. And stay on the SSD where they are the most protected.

    My DAZ Library is 250+ gigabytes. Which is why its on its own drive. If you are going to move that many files, you need to provide some sort of documentation, notice, options, something. Not just willie nillie do anything you please.

     

    namffuak said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    namffuak said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    icecrmn said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Serene Night said:

    I have a question. All my content has thus far been installed by dim. Why does it say install when I right click on my stuff? All this content is already installed. When I click on install it installs but where? I already have a runtime on my e drive. Where is this going now? I hope not c drive as I have little space there....

    The Connect content goes to \Data\Cloud\1_##### (where ##### is the SKU). If the product is already installed, and the files match those from the Connect service (same version, compressed) then Connect will use them and not download a fresh copy. 4.9 will use the Connect install, if present, rather than a DIM/manual install.

    Note that the location of the Data\Cloud folder iss et separately from the main content directories, and defaults to the \DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library location - if you don't usualy use that you may want to change it in the Content Directory Manager and manaully move the Data\Cloud folder in to your preferred location.

    Excuse me, but where is this "Cloud" directory? I want to make sure its not going to a Drive that is going to be a problem.

    It's the first listing in the "Content Directory Manager" settings in Studio. Press F2 or "Edit>Preferences" in the main toolbar. Click the "Content Library" tab.Then click the big button on the bottom labeled "Content Directory Manager" 

    #%^@$&*&*%$@54@%&*$&*@%$

    The C: drive? AGAIN?

    This is the kind of information that DAZ SHOULD BE PUBLISHING IN A USER'S MANUAL!

    Now I know why my test computer went to #$^&#&^$& pot.

    Per Microsoft's guidelines on where to put things - and the only drive absolutely guaranteed to be on a Windows computer; would you like a default to the D: drive, which on a great many systems is a CD or DVD drive?

    I would like it to give me a chance to tell it where to go...  Which isnt the case with DIM or this Cloud.

    And I do not have a CD ROM drive on my laptop. It's SSD plus HD combination. No DVD, no CD.

    Um - they do. In DIM, click the gear icon (setup) and change the directories to your heart's content. Then, in Studio go through Content tab -> options -> content directory maintenance and finish putting things where you want them. Downloads, install directories, CMS database location - hey can all be changed.

    Wrong again.

    DIM does not provide a prompt to change the directory of "DAZ Connect."

    As I already mentioned I have DIM set to install my DS Application to one drive and my content to another drive.

    4.9 ignored all of that and, without permission, started copying / creating files on my C drive.

    Nowhere in DIM do I have it set to use the C drive.

    So...  To quote you...  Um - no they don't.

    Post edited by Jason Galterio on
  • Jason GalterioJason Galterio Posts: 2,562

    The directory properties finally finished tallying...  So to be exact, my DAZ Library is 507 GB, 1,165,186 files in 177,093 directories. So that is why I was / am so mad at indescriminately picking my C drive.

  • namffuaknamffuak Posts: 4,404
    edited January 2016
    Jason Galterio said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    lx said:
     

    Pretty much every piece of software does this. If you're concerned about a program using space, you should be checking during the install process and in options once installed to make sure all of the paths go to places you want to store things. This is true with any program. 

    Wrong.

    My DS is installed on my E drive. My Content Directories are all on my F drive. All of those items are still there.

    4.9 choose to add items to "Cloud" on my C drive. Without permission, being told to install there, or giving me an option to put somewhere else. It happened automatically at 4.9 start up.

    Programs from DAZ are the only ones that seem to choose to install items on C, even when I expressly point them to other directories.

    I think your "My Documents" folder was still set to C:. Mine is set to a duifferent drive and DS used that. Find your Documents folder (the actual default one, which may not be the location you use for documents), right-click, select Properties, and in the Location tab set the folder you want to use as your default documents folder. That should make sure any similar situation in future uses a non-C: default.

    I am not moving the "My Documents" just because DAZ cannot provide something as fundamental as a "Put these here" prompt or documentation that says how to do the upgrade.

    "My Documents" is not a DS only directory. It's where it is because I need it where it is. "My Documents" remains on C so that my important files get backed up. And stay on the SSD where they are the most protected.

    My DAZ Library is 250+ gigabytes. Which is why its on its own drive. If you are going to move that many files, you need to provide some sort of documentation, notice, options, something. Not just willie nillie do anything you please.

     

    namffuak said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    namffuak said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    icecrmn said:
    Jason Galterio said:
    Richard Haseltine said:
    Serene Night said:

    I have a question. All my content has thus far been installed by dim. Why does it say install when I right click on my stuff? All this content is already installed. When I click on install it installs but where? I already have a runtime on my e drive. Where is this going now? I hope not c drive as I have little space there....

    The Connect content goes to \Data\Cloud\1_##### (where ##### is the SKU). If the product is already installed, and the files match those from the Connect service (same version, compressed) then Connect will use them and not download a fresh copy. 4.9 will use the Connect install, if present, rather than a DIM/manual install.

    Note that the location of the Data\Cloud folder iss et separately from the main content directories, and defaults to the \DAZ 3D\Studio\My Library location - if you don't usualy use that you may want to change it in the Content Directory Manager and manaully move the Data\Cloud folder in to your preferred location.

    Excuse me, but where is this "Cloud" directory? I want to make sure its not going to a Drive that is going to be a problem.

    It's the first listing in the "Content Directory Manager" settings in Studio. Press F2 or "Edit>Preferences" in the main toolbar. Click the "Content Library" tab.Then click the big button on the bottom labeled "Content Directory Manager" 

    #%^@$&*&*%$@54@%&*$&*@%$

    The C: drive? AGAIN?

    This is the kind of information that DAZ SHOULD BE PUBLISHING IN A USER'S MANUAL!

    Now I know why my test computer went to #$^&#&^$& pot.

    Per Microsoft's guidelines on where to put things - and the only drive absolutely guaranteed to be on a Windows computer; would you like a default to the D: drive, which on a great many systems is a CD or DVD drive?

    I would like it to give me a chance to tell it where to go...  Which isnt the case with DIM or this Cloud.

    And I do not have a CD ROM drive on my laptop. It's SSD plus HD combination. No DVD, no CD.

    Um - they do. In DIM, click the gear icon (setup) and change the directories to your heart's content. Then, in Studio go through Content tab -> options -> content directory maintenance and finish putting things where you want them. Downloads, install directories, CMS database location - hey can all be changed.

    Wrong again.

    DIM does not provide a prompt to change the directory of "DAZ Connect."

    As I already mentioned I have DIM set to install my DS Application to one drive and my content to another drive.

    4.9 ignored all of that and, without permission, started copying / creating files on my C drive.

    Nowhere in DIM do I have it set to use the C drive.

    So...  To quote you...  Um - no they don't.

    DIM doesn't know about DAZ Connect. And Studio will not start populating the DAZ Connect directory until you log into DAZ from Studio. Plenty of time, especially on a new release, to go verify that the new version is using the directory structure you want.

    ETA- on my laptop, the data/cloud directory for Connect contains 13,202 files for a total of 1.32 GB of space; I've only pulled down a couple of files to verify Connect works for me.

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  • Jan19Jan19 Posts: 1,109

    I downloaded 4.9 but when it started over-writing 4.8 -- no matter where I told 4.9 to install -- I decided it might be better to hold off, just in case. 

    Will wait and ponder and see what happens and hope for the best.  The 4.9 renders look good.

     

     

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,741
    Novica said:

    Okay folks, please read this post (don't want to duplicate in various threads) as my custom categories all went POOF after being there ever since I installed this version. (NOT the beta, the regular release.)  So now I can not in good faith recommend this for people with custom categories. 

    Thank you for this.  My custom categories would literally take me weeks to redo.  I just backed everything up but I would be past pissed off if it disappeared.

  • IceDragonArtIceDragonArt Posts: 12,741
    edited January 2016
    Jan19 said:

    I downloaded 4.9 but when it started over-writing 4.8 -- no matter where I told 4.9 to install -- I decided it might be better to hold off, just in case. 

    Will wait and ponder and see what happens and hope for the best.  The 4.9 renders look good.

     

     

    We were told that it would NOT overwrite 4.8 and that they could be used side by side.  And while I am thinking about, it really bugs me that its included in my list of updated.  If there is a huge list of updates and I forget that the 4.9 upgrade is there its going to load it wether I want it to or not.  Is there anyway to hide that?  I know I can unclick install after download but really, I just don't want to have to remember find it on the list and uncheck it. 

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  • SpottedKittySpottedKitty Posts: 7,232
    Ice Dragon Art said:

    If there is a huge list of updates and I forget that the 4.9 upgrade is there its going to load it wether I want it to or not.  Is there anyway to hide that?

    Does the "suck it all down and install" function still honour the setting of the "show programs" toggle? If so, that might be what you're looking for.

  • Peter FulfordPeter Fulford Posts: 1,325
    dbdigital2 said:
     Sure your DRM scheme is less restrictive than it could be, but that is another thing I have I seen that before from companies too.  Start small and it only gets worse as time goes on.  DRM ONLY gets worse not better.

     

    +1, as the youngsters type.

    At the moment it's presented as all about combating piracy. I'll bet money that within a couple of years some aspect of DAZ output will be subscription based, which is what this process enables. The most obvious candidate is a variation on the Platinum Club, where content is "free" so long as you continue to pay the annual subsciption.

    Sadly, rent seeking is a natural human behaviour.

  • HavosHavos Posts: 5,574
    Richard Haseltine said:
    kyoto kid said:
    argel1200 said:
    DAZ_Steve said:
    Novica said:

    I don't feel you are treating the vast majority of us like criminals, I think it is a realistic approach to protecting your vendors.  BTW, I installed 4.9 and all the custom categories I made in Content Library are there and looking beautiful over in the Smart Content pane. Flawless execution! Kudos. I posted screenshots over in my Art Studio thread. 

    I think my hesitation is the money invested in products that I, at some point, can't physically put on my computer in case something happens to DAZ. If and when DIM ever goes away, or manual installation, (I put all my products on external hard drives) then yes, I will quit buying. So it's not the encryption, it's the having a copy that I can call up. You've said DIM is going to be here for a long time, so I'm not worried. That's just me.

    Files will still work offline.  So, even if something were to happen to Daz, you would continue to use your encrypted files.  But, that is because your computer authenticated (before Daz went away in our theoretical example) and got the appropariate info for your login to allow you to decrypt your content.  This means your stuff keeps working, but that other people (who don't use your login) can't use it on their computers.

    It breaks any scripts that need to access files that will now be encrypted directly. Like the older send int he clones, soem of the pose converters, etc.

     

    ...add to that morph kits like Growing Up, utilities like Skin Builder Pro, and Let It Snow.

    I'm not certain about Let It Snow, but the others are plain morphs (work normally) and a script that uses its own daat and can modify applied materials, neither of which require access to encrypted .duf files. I think Let It Snow is the same, modifying materials already applied to a selected model in the scene, in which case it would not be broken either.

    Let it snow does not even modify the materials of the original model. It creates geo shells that wrap round the objects it is applied to, and modifies the materials on those. Skin Builder Pro may read duf files, but I suspect not, it probably gathers the data it needs from the scene objects.

  • lx_2807502lx_2807502 Posts: 2,996
    Peter Fulford said:
    dbdigital2 said:
     Sure your DRM scheme is less restrictive than it could be, but that is another thing I have I seen that before from companies too.  Start small and it only gets worse as time goes on.  DRM ONLY gets worse not better.

     

    +1, as the youngsters type.

    At the moment it's presented as all about combating piracy. I'll bet money that within a couple of years some aspect of DAZ output will be subscription based, which is what this process enables. The most obvious candidate is a variation on the Platinum Club, where content is "free" so long as you continue to pay the annual subsciption.

    Sadly, rent seeking is a natural human behaviour.

    This has been mentioned several times, and every time it has been pointed out how little sense a subscription model would make for Daz, how PC+ is basically one anyway (if you buy products here at least once a month, you should probably be in it) and how insanely logistically difficult that would be to organise for a company that mainly operates via hundreds of vendors.

  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,582
    lx said:
    Peter Fulford said:
    dbdigital2 said:
     Sure your DRM scheme is less restrictive than it could be, but that is another thing I have I seen that before from companies too.  Start small and it only gets worse as time goes on.  DRM ONLY gets worse not better.

     

    +1, as the youngsters type.

    At the moment it's presented as all about combating piracy. I'll bet money that within a couple of years some aspect of DAZ output will be subscription based, which is what this process enables. The most obvious candidate is a variation on the Platinum Club, where content is "free" so long as you continue to pay the annual subsciption.

    Sadly, rent seeking is a natural human behaviour.

    This has been mentioned several times, and every time it has been pointed out how little sense a subscription model would make for Daz, how PC+ is basically one anyway (if you buy products here at least once a month, you should probably be in it) and how insanely logistically difficult that would be to organise for a company that mainly operates via hundreds of vendors.

    Daz has been doing a lot of things that make little sense lately. As for logistics, it wouldn't be that different from the logistics of the Platinum Club. 

  • TaozTaoz Posts: 10,237
    Fixme12 said:
    lx said:

    2. Let's say Daz gave everyone with a PC+ account for more than a month some sort of anniversary gift. Let's say it's a bikini that "does what no other bikini has done before for Victoria" or something. The thing is, every version of the product has some sort of reference to your account number (obviously not directly.) If you download it and install it, absolutely nothing happens. There is no way for Daz to track who has it, or whatever. However, if the item then appears on a torrent or warez site and the staff happen to redownload it from that source, they have an idea which account the leak came from.

    And what if your system is hacked? Files stolen and you as user don't even known about the backdoor?

    Yes - that's why I always keep all my software/keys and content installers on encrypted drives.

  • KhoryKhory Posts: 3,854
    TesseractSpace said:
    lx said:
    Peter Fulford said:
    dbdigital2 said:
     Sure your DRM scheme is less restrictive than it could be, but that is another thing I have I seen that before from companies too.  Start small and it only gets worse as time goes on.  DRM ONLY gets worse not better.

     

    +1, as the youngsters type.

    At the moment it's presented as all about combating piracy. I'll bet money that within a couple of years some aspect of DAZ output will be subscription based, which is what this process enables. The most obvious candidate is a variation on the Platinum Club, where content is "free" so long as you continue to pay the annual subsciption.

    Sadly, rent seeking is a natural human behaviour.

    This has been mentioned several times, and every time it has been pointed out how little sense a subscription model would make for Daz, how PC+ is basically one anyway (if you buy products here at least once a month, you should probably be in it) and how insanely logistically difficult that would be to organise for a company that mainly operates via hundreds of vendors.

    Daz has been doing a lot of things that make little sense lately. As for logistics, it wouldn't be that different from the logistics of the Platinum Club. 

    PC and Daz O's products are owned by Daz where as everything else in the store is owned by the original creator of the product. There are over 300 PA's who own those products and those products actually outnumber the products owned by Daz. The logistics would be totally different from Plat Club because it would involve getting over 300 people on board and figuring out how to compensate those 300 people when their products were used. It isn't like adobe saying Photoshop is going to be subscription it would be like adobe saying every paintbrush sold would be by subscription.

  • wgdjohnwgdjohn Posts: 2,634
    edited January 2016
    DAZ_Steve said:
    Downloading of old products through Daz Connect will not force them to be encrypted.  If you look at the product pages for any product it now lists "Install types".  It will either list "Daz Connect" or "Encrypted Daz Connect".  if it doesn't say encrypted Daz Connect, then it isn't encrypted.  That means that your scripts will still work on everything that they used to, but you are correct in that they would not work against encrypted content. 

    This product now does not state any install type, no DC, DIM or Manual are listed. https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-7-attitude-bundle

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  • TesseractSpaceTesseractSpace Posts: 1,582
    edited January 2016
    Khory said:
    TesseractSpace said:
    lx said:
    Peter Fulford said:
    dbdigital2 said:
     Sure your DRM scheme is less restrictive than it could be, but that is another thing I have I seen that before from companies too.  Start small and it only gets worse as time goes on.  DRM ONLY gets worse not better.

     

    +1, as the youngsters type.

    At the moment it's presented as all about combating piracy. I'll bet money that within a couple of years some aspect of DAZ output will be subscription based, which is what this process enables. The most obvious candidate is a variation on the Platinum Club, where content is "free" so long as you continue to pay the annual subsciption.

    Sadly, rent seeking is a natural human behaviour.

    This has been mentioned several times, and every time it has been pointed out how little sense a subscription model would make for Daz, how PC+ is basically one anyway (if you buy products here at least once a month, you should probably be in it) and how insanely logistically difficult that would be to organise for a company that mainly operates via hundreds of vendors.

    Daz has been doing a lot of things that make little sense lately. As for logistics, it wouldn't be that different from the logistics of the Platinum Club. 

    PC and Daz O's products are owned by Daz where as everything else in the store is owned by the original creator of the product. There are over 300 PA's who own those products and those products actually outnumber the products owned by Daz. The logistics would be totally different from Plat Club because it would involve getting over 300 people on board and figuring out how to compensate those 300 people when their products were used. It isn't like adobe saying Photoshop is going to be subscription it would be like adobe saying every paintbrush sold would be by subscription.

    Assuming that they put the whole store under a subscription plan.

     

    They could easily make such a thing using DO products only. Especially if they start releasing products with features not otherwise available.

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