No encrypted for me.
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Merlin's Beard! Now I'm more confused than ever.
So back to my original point. When Daz said back in November that "New products will begin to migrate toward a Daz Connect-only delivery." They were in effect saying that this new content will be encrypted, because DC installs only encrypted content. But we have a Daz person now saying "Up until a few days ago there was no plan for encrypted only content."
For the life of me I cannot reconcile these two apparently contradictory statements from Daz.
Well, I have no way of knowing whether that is true, but what I can say for certain is that my DAZ purchases have dropped very substantially since G3. I saw no reason to buy new figures for wardrobe content that was laughably reptitious and barely distinguishable from content I already had in spades. I have continued spending money, but not with DAZ, because DAZ helped me discover that a lot of G4 content was of excellent quality and cheap. So long as I can pose a figure, I can find the morphs I want, and the skin is of sufficient quality, it hardly matters to me that G3 has some supposed benefits I neither use nor appreciate. What I do notice is that much of the G3 product art has been poor even by my level of inexperience, and I find myself doing a double-take at the prices and some deeply uninspiring promotional material.
The DRM issue has reinforced the feeling that DAZ does not really care for my money, and if that is the way things are going I am happy to oblige. I am certain there are content providers who will go wherever my wallet points :-)
What I don't care for is the idea that I need to be connected via the internet in order to do something. That's not always convienient.
DAZ Jon explained in another thread that he alone decided what would be sold as encrypted only, and I would expect this situation to remain for the time being for precisely this reason, ie to avoid some poor PA from being added to a blacklist (however that would work).
I think that you may have the Wrong Daz_Person, it was Daz_Steve who said this. In this Post, earlier in this thread
Though it was the case for the first betas, from what I read it's not true anymore: for content also available via DIM or manual download DAZ Connect also installs unencrypted files.
Disclaimer: I have not checked that myself as I have no plans to use Connect, I prefer installing manually and moving things where I want them.
As the shop shows, those two are two different things (and contrary to my previous post!)... so you can have "DAZ Connect delivery only", which means, content installed through DC is unencrypted, and then "DAZ Connect Encrypted Content", which is also distributed through DC, but encrypted.
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"As the shop shows, those two are two different things (and contrary to my previous post!)... so you can have "DAZ Connect delivery only", which means, content installed through DC is unencrypted, and then "DAZ Connect Encrypted Content", which is also distributed through DC, but encrypted."
Thanks very much for that clarification.
Ah yes, sorry
Sorry if I was a little vague I was in the process of double checking a few products through Daz Connect to make sure what I was saying was correct. And there is definitely a difference, I just download a few unencrypted products through Daz connect.
No need to apologise at all. This is all new and I would expect that it will take time to fully understand.
This is a repeat comment from another thread. I have succumbed to the fact the time is coming when DRM will be only way to get Daz products and I never bought anything genesis 3 anyway. So i'm going to stop my daz shopping habits now. It made me cry to make this decision & one I have been contemplating since you at daz announced you would be going to DRM. So in preparation I have been downloading and backing up everything i have on this site for the last few weeks. last night going through it, I deleted all my wish listed content accept for 3 items which I got today . I did not dare to buy them last night with all the Store site drama with the shopping cart and prices being isted changing. So depending If I get credit back to my paypal or a Daz store credit for a helicopter model that I had to get refund for that I purchased & took 6 months for Daz to tell me you would not be fixing. once thats cleared up then the last thing will be to remove my credit card stored here at daz . I'm done with future purchases at Daz3d.com. A very sad & serious decision I did not make lightly considering the time and money invested here. I'm tired of fighting the politically correct & the hypocrisy here I am making the choice to not use drm or anything to do with it. People here at Daz has really made me feel like my concerns fall on deaf ears So I'm not sure what bothers me more? That I truly feel that Daz does not care if it looses my business, or the last 10 years I spent shopping here has finely come to end. . But never the less DRM is my line in the sand. Ive enjoyed the daz program and the products i have bought here over the the years and I will continue to enjoy what I have bought for years to come. So thank you Daz for that . I wish you people at daz the best of luck with your future plans I really hope your choice to use DRM works out for you I under stand its your Baseball and Bat & you like to make the rules of the game as we play. I get it & I'm done.
Well Ivy I for one will be sad to see you go. But if you have made up your mind I can respect that.
But always remember that it's never to late to change your mind and I think I speak for everyone here that we will always be glad to see you back in these parts again, maybe someday.
I donate when I can.
Its kinda funny. When DIM came out there were lots of people who hated that. I never figured out why because I have always saved the downloads from DIM as they are in .ZIP archives. NOw we have the Daz Connect and the DRM and I am pretty much on the side of those afflicted with Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. At least with DIM I retain the capability of having secure reinstallable backups of what I purchase. Now with DazConnect and Studio4.9 it looks like that is being changed in some ways.
I sincerely hope that there are enough of us , and that we are making enough noise, that DAZ3D rolls this whole DRM scheme back.
As to the piracy concern that this whole fiasco is rooted in, well, I DO feel for the people that are having their income reduced by software piracy. Especially those who's entire liveliehood comes from content creation. However, software piracy has been an issue just about as long as the internet has been around. In fact, most software manufacturers pretty much consider a certain level of piracy just another "cost of doing business". Its about as inevitable as the tides it seems. The best anti-piracy schemes are those that impact the legitimate user as little as possible. From what I have seen so far, the DRM scheme DAZ3D is using is going to impact the legitimate users MUCH more harshly than it will any software pirates. Seriously, the most I can see happening to the pirates is that they have to take a few hours longer to break then encryption then its back to business as usual. What does it matter if you lose , say 2000.00 starting on day one or lose 2000.00 starting on day two. You are still losing 2000.00.
Instead of penalizing the legitmate user, why not go after the places on the internet where pirates upload the material? Because I am pretty certain that those sites might also have other pirated material as well. Find the sites, prove there is infringing material, and send the takedown notices. Follow up as necessary. If the community works together to resolve this issue it will be much more effective. If the pirates have no or at least reduced options for material distribution, there will be reduced losses from piracy. This is a much better approach than one which penalizes the legitimate users. If you penalize the legitimate user, they take their money elsewhere which then opens up another avenue of loss IN ADDITION to the one of piracy that is already in existence. It absolutely makes no sense to drive the paying consumer elsewhere.
Its jjust common sense. I hope somebody at DAZ3D will see this and we, the legitimate users can be relieved of the ill considered mess that is DRM and Daz Connect.
Colour me distrustful.
Valla by Silver over at Rendo looks great, and no encryption. I removed 10 items on my wish list that I'd added to my cart. Instead I'll get a couple of Rendo items. Forum posts are largely ignored. Cash is king (or its electronic equivalent).
as I said the decision has been made for me.
I can hope later new choices are made, after all one reason I chose Carrara over iClone years ago was the ability to use all that lovelyDAZ content so easily with it and later Reallusion made that easier too and got my interest back as a result,
I bought very little of their DRM encrypted locked content compared to 85 pages of DAZ content and my videos using iClone are nearly all DAZ content
Carrara still remains my prefered program though.
a look at my awful channel with 20K+ subscribers will show how much I use that content and surely someone has discovered DAZ through it if only to show they can do better.
Im sticking with 4.8.
I'm certain that DAZ has only the best of intentions with 4.9. The issue as I see it as a question of ownership. Not only from our perspective as customers, but also from the corporate standpoint. What happens if all of a sudden DAZ is bought by some other company like facebook or electronic arts? All of those good intentions can go straight out the window in a moments notice and connect can become something entirely different. Always online, etc.
Ill keep purchasing until everything becomes connect only. After that ill be done.
Question, how does this work with installing in DIM and in Connect? If I install something in Connect, will it show up as installed in DIM?
Second, if it does show up in DIM, I'd be okay with using Connect as long as it's not the encrypted stuff. How do we know if it is, do we have to visit the product page for each one?
One note on the piracy aspect it has had lasting damage to the industry and quite a few vendors have withdrawn from the market due to issues with the ease of stealing their work. So it is not always a monetary loss it can also contribute to talent loss. I'm not saying this to dismiss peoples worries just to add another view point to be considered alongside of whats being discussed.
We already have a good idea of which PA's actively want Encryption, by their continual arguing with anyone who dislikes it.
If you have a product that is both, DIM and DAZ Connect download, even if you download it in DAZ Connect, it still shows up in DIM ready for download. (At least, that's my experience so far.)
If you look at the store page of a product, you can see a new line at the top info "Installation", where it says what types of download/installation are available for the product. Today's new release, for example, are all available through DIM and manual download, and ZEV0's is also available for not-encrypted (no-DRM) DAZ Connect download...
I'm sticking with DIM, working well for me so not going to change.
BeeMKay- Yep, I know it's on the product page as to the type of installation that is available (I asked in my post, if we'd have to go to each product page) but the question still is, when using Connect, does it tell me BEFORE I use it, that it's an encrypted file or not? So I don't have to hoof it over to the product page? (Appreciate you trying to help though!)
And yuck- if I use Connect and download/install Product A, if it still shows up in DIM as needing to be installed, that's horrible. What happens if I install it from DIM too? Two copies or one? (I assume one since it's going to the same location as the other one. But what a waste of bandwidth!)
DIM is a simple downloader and unzipper that automates the manual process, and in which you can step in and take control of the files at any time. Connect is a lot more fiddly to do the same sort of thing (you can do it, but it's annoying to do so since you'd have to make your own zips etc.)
Sending takedown notices to warez sites that frauded the products in the first place isn't going to do anything. I'll bet the encryption won't either. I also wonder how many people buying at these illicit sites wherever they are would actually shop here were those sites to be taken down (via magic or something.) If Netflix was taken away it would not make me buy a cable package to get the same shows. I'd just find something on youtube to watch instead of those shows. Anyone who's just shadily picking up super cheap versions from an underground site is not likely to be what you'd call a dedicated 3d professional or hobbyist that'd be a regular customer here anyway.
On a similar note, why should I bother with an encrypted file with an install system I don't like, when I can do almost the same job with another character/hair/monkey that's openly accessible once purchased? I already have all the content I actually need to make things. I buy things now because I like the look of them, not because I have any need to do so. Maybe if the encrypted versions were cheaper, but as it is, it's too expensive a hobby to not have full control over the files, so apart from irreplaceable exceptions I don't see much point buying into the new system either.
I saw all these arguments and mudslinging matches before years ago on the Reallusion forum they still have DRM and their stuff is still on torrents, I only know as a person who attacked me on youtube challenged me to look at his portfolio and I did and found his warez site which I promptlty reported and got taken down.
So it has been going on everywhere sadly even with the big boys Autodesk and Adobe etc.
I do not condone it but all DRM does is punish legit users most the time when things go bad on their hardware, been there myself with iClone.
I really don't care about encryption as long as it doesn't get in the way of what I need to do (and I will be first in line to scream if it does). The inability to move files to where they make sense has always been the deal breaker. According to the FAQ that will be (is?) possible using a new file type. Has that been implemented yet, and if not, would you please let us know when it happens. At that point I can use Connect. "The new file type is a Daz specific link files with the extension of *.djl. "
I like to move files around on disk to organize them differently. Can I still do that?
You cannot move files around for products installed through Daz Connect. You can change the drive and/or path to which products are installed using Daz Connect, but you cannot manually re-organize the files within the product.
If your goal is to change where the files show up in Smart Content based views, the location is driven by categorization. The proper way to change organization of these products is to add your own categories—you can create your own categories and reorganize the content to your heart’s content without touching the files on disk.
If your goal is to change where files installed using Daz Connect show up in the Content Library pane, you can create custom categories and arrange them as you wish.
There is also a new file type you can create which will give you a Daz specific link file that you can move around on disk to sort your content on disk still. You do not want to move the files downloaded by Daz Connect as it won't know where they are anymore to load or update if an update is available. The new file type is a Daz specific link files with the extension of *.djl. To create one you drag and drop from database driven views (Content Library, Smart Content, Preset pages, etc) to native folder containers (Content Library) to create link file that you can then move around on disk as you wish.
As someone who hasn't used Studio in a very long time, and with the direction it is taking, not likely to ever pick it up again, none of this affect me directly, however I sympathize with those affected. My concern is for the community at large. A lot of the progress made over the years have been done by curious users 'haxing' the files to see what could be done with them. If Poser files had been encrypted from day one, would we be where we are today? I doubt it. A walled garden is not good for innovation. Unfortunately, what used to be a hobby for most, is now serious business, and this is what it leads to.
saw a lovely dark skinned beauty, put in cart instantly. Removed when i saw 4.9 and encrpyted.
Good for me. Glad I slowed down enough to read.
I was one of those irate users~
Mostly because I didn't see the one notice stating there would be a delay on an initial purchase and had no idea what was going on since it wasn't mentioned in any of the invoice emails or on the account page.
Obviously that's an unpopular and irritating system, and I really don't know enough about ecommerce to know of any better ones, but this current solution is clearly a problem to many customers too, won't be a one off thing, and isn't going to stop the serious pirates anyway.