A View Through The Mirror

background · May 23

Man: "Don't ring this number again, you hear me? Now Goodbye!"

These two renders provide the information to the viewer that would have been covered by the underground car-park and office confrontation in the original. I think if I had tried to include the underground car-park, 'Way Out' doors, long corridor, confrontation office, and back out of the car park we would have taken another few days to get here.

A bit too much SSS on the hand, but I think I'll let it pass. If this was a one off render i would adjust various things and try again. I prefer the previous render because it is not so drab looking as this one. I tried making him look annoyed, but it looked more like he was about to eat the handset. I use 'Man' since we don't know his name.

Now we're ready for the little nap.....

3DIO · May 24

@background
Love the vibe, lighting, posing, framing and naturalness these renders have to them, though I should point out I somehow missed that post where you posted a spoiler. I just saw it this morning but chose not to follow the link so as not to spoil the story for me. I've not seen the series your link suggests, so to me this is all completely new. It also confirms that a suspicion I had has been proven wrong. I chose not to point it out previously in case it spolied the story for others, but since it's not what I thought, I can tell you that I previously suspected your story might be reworking of the notorious "Enfield Poltergeist", and that the character was perhaps a reworking of a man called Maurice Grosse , the paranormal investigator involved with it. If I'd not noticed that previous post this morning, I'd have been further convinced after seeing your latest render since he's holding the phone backwards (the coil would normally come from the bottom of the handset). I thought well that cannot be a mistake, so either he's very strange or there's something even stranger going on :-D

Coincidentally, Maurice Grosse also drove a sporty old car, wore glasses and had a moustache (Jump to 11:30 of this documentary to see him pull up):

3DIO · May 24

garrett_3d said:

@3DIO That Hammer House of Horrors episode is one of my favourite, it has Diana Dors in it I have them all on DVD. The House That Bled To Death and Carpathian Eagle are also good episodes, the latter featuring Suzanne Danielle.

Believe it or not, my dad (and some worker he was requested to meet up with), once had breakfast with Diana Dors.
They turned up early, she invited them in, made breakfast for them, sat at the kitchen table and even ate with them.

Absolutely true.

Same here by the way, "Children of the Full Moon" and "The House that Bled to Death" are definitely among my favourites, although my own personal hots is the for the brunette who plays the mother in "The House that Bled to Death" so she tips she scales for me out of those two! Regardless, I think at least twelve of the thirteen episodes made, were excellent. There was only one that I felt was a bit weak and not fitting of such an incredible series as Hammer House of Horror.

The set I have (for the series) is the one shown in the attached thumbnail. I have a separate, much more elabore box set for the Hammer films. I also have the 45 vinyl release of the soudtrack which, wow, what a waste that it was cut so short for the TV series! This is the full uncut version of the theme, and every time I hear it, I cannot help but wonder how many people realise how jaw-droppingly gorgeous the full, uncut theme is. I get goosebumps when the strings really come in (which was sadly cut from the shortened TV version of the theme):

background · May 24

Remember the hearse? Well it looks like whoever was driving it is now inside the house, and up to no good.

Interesting trivia ? The main door on the original series interior set has a curved top following the arch of the glass panels. The exterior door is like I have quickly modelled here, rectangular with a curved window, but it's set within an arched opening, so when it's closed it looks like the door from the interior 'set'.

background · May 24

One of two explanations for this picture: Either A: He has been knocked out by the gas.... Or B: he is stunned by his own foolish mistake holding the handset backwards!

Thanks 3DIO I got so involved trying to wrestle with the phone that I made that basic mistake. Thanks for mentioning it. This is normally a pose that I would only adopt if I was in the pub, and it was my round.

Thanks for the positive comments. I appreciate any feedback ( even if it makes me look like an idiot ). I'm aware of the Enfield Poltergeist but hadn't seen that video, so I'll be sure to watch it. I'm fascinated by the paranormal, but I have to be careful I've has some really weird dreams after reading or watching that sort of stuff.

I had one 'real' unexplained experience. I was in the house where I grew up, sitting in the lounge. There was a door with frosted glass between the lounge and the kitchen, the lights in the kitchen were on. There were two of us in the lounge, and nobody else in the house. For some reason I looked at the door with the frosted glass and there was a dark shadow on the other side of it, about the height of a person. I was so convinced someone was in the kitchen that I got up and checked ( somewhat nervously ) and also checked the kitchen exterior door. The door was still locked with the keys inside, and there were no other doors apart from the locked one, and the one I entered through. ( I think rendering the previous image, with the figure vaguely visible through the door reminded me ).

background · May 24

One for Richard, and not part of the story as such... If I was to use this character in my story would that be ok? He's not taken from a game or anything, I 'created' him based on a photo. I like to change my characters from the 'out of the box' look. Maybe not always this photogenic, but I hope believable.

3DIO · May 24

@background
Hah, well since I'm not a drinker, I've never had to adopt such a pose :-D

I'm enjoying your story for sure, although I'm not sure you'll enjoy that video much. Watchable, just, but the compression on it is so bad that it makes their eyes and mouth look weird. The main girl especially looks like she's been given a black eye at times. It's a shame the quality's so bad cause it's a good documentary.

The 2016 film "The Conjuring 2" is about the exact same thing (a highly recommended film that actually translated well to the screen):

background · May 24

3DIO said:

@background
Hah, well since I'm not a drinker, I've never had to adopt such a pose :-D

I'm enjoying your story for sure, although I'm not sure you'll enjoy that video much. Watchable, just, but the compression on it is so bad that it makes their eyes and mouth look weird. The main girl especially looks like she's been given a black eye at times. It's a shame the quality's so bad cause it's a good documentary.

The 2016 film "The Conjurng 2" is about the exact same thing (a highly recommended film that actually translated well to the screen):

Thanks for the link, I'll watch it for sure. I have some old home video's that were originally on videotape ( not sure of the format ) and they are so bad, but at the time they were made it was 'normal' for video recordings to look smeared and generally poor. One of my favourite 'horror' television plays is 'The Stone Tape' by Nigel Kneale, who I mentioned earlier. He specialised in stories that mixed the supernatural with technology. The Stone Tape is about a group of scientists who are trying to create 'the next big thing' in recording media in 1972. They discover that a room in their laboratory is haunted, and set out to try to work out how the haunting works, and if they can trigger an apparition on demand using technology. They hope to adapt the haunting mechanism into a recordable media. Needless to say things get out of hand.

Another of his telvision plays 'The Road' is lost, but it's an unusual take on the supernatural. It is set in the very early days of scientific experiments, when tools like an electroscope were firtst invented. A group of people meet to examine a strange place in a forest, which is supposed to be 'haunted'. some of those present are 'sensitive' and claim to see huge 'beasts' and hear wailing noises and people screaming, It turns out this is a haunting from a future event, specifically a road which is full of refugees fleeing from impending nuclear war.

Quatermass and the Pit has some interesting ideas in it such as Invasion by Proxy. Aliens on another planet want to colonise Earth, but our environment in too hostile for them, so instead the abduct some early hominids, enhance their brain capacity, indoctrinate them, and then return them to Earth, hoping that they will thrive and displace the normal hominids with more intelligent creatures that follow the aliens beliefs. Which begs the question.. if creatures on another planet think like you and hold the same beliefs as you, does it really matter if they are physically different from you?

background · May 24

Life imitates art???

Ok I'm sort of joking but a bit peeved that the BBC have run an article on their website about the army running wargames on a disused station on the London Underground. Don't they realise they just ruined a major plot point of my story here?? I might as well tell you all that my story takes place on an island which has several settlements which are connected via an underground railway. This has advantages from a story point of view. It allows me to use several different environment sets without having to try to combine them into one, or represent the countryside in between them. All I have to do is add an Undersground station access point to each set. Characters can be on one set, and then quickly travel in complete darkness to a different set which is a different style. So long as each set is surrounded by a fence the rest of the island effectively doesn't exist and doesn't need to be rendered.. Grumble grumble grumble. Now people are going to say "Oh you got that idea from the army exercises ". Well I'm going to use it anyway, so a big raspberry to the BBC and the army.

3DIO · May 24

@background
If the quality were VHS then that would be watchable. I just meant that it has that aweful 90s compression that makes it look as if it was shot on some early flip phone or something. but yup, I do think you'll enjoy the documentary.

I know the Hammer film since it's part of the collectors box I have. Never heard of "The Stone Tape", so just did a search and found a short clip, but cannot find the full play. I'll keep an eye out though, cause I do love those old BBC-produced one-off plays.

One of my favourites (and I honestly couldn't give a flying flamingo how controversial it is), is Dennis Potter's "Brimstone and Treacle" (the original 1976 BBC version). At the time, religious types were frothing at the mouth over it, because it portrayed a heinous act of the Devil bringing about a positive result. It's not the sort of thing I could link to I'm afraid, but it's very cleverly written, superbly acted with very well cast characters, and is the only example I know of that has people 'perma-locked' into what is quite a conflicting mind-game. I must stress here I'm talking strictly about the 1976 BBC version which they held back from broadcast until 1987 (the one starring Michael Kitchen and Denholm Elliott), so that's eleven years it was held back from being publicly broadcast due to the religious backlash it generated.

But that's what quality writing is all about:

- If you're left thinking, then that's good writing.
- If you're left angry but thinking, then that's even better writing.
- If you're left angry but unable to defend your anger, then that's writing on a whole new level of genius.

Brimstone and Treacle is the latter of the three, and there's a reason Dennis Potter was such a highly acclaimed screenwriter.
Nothing demonstrates that genius better than that one, and there was you lot thinking The Devlil looks like Daz's Astaroth 9

Nah, I'm here to tell you all right now that "The Devil" looks like this, and that he is indeed Evil personified :

garrett_3d · May 24

background said:

Life imitates art???

Ok I'm sort of joking but a bit peeved that the BBC have run an article on their website about the army running wargames on a disused station on the London Underground. Don't they realise they just ruined a major plot point of my story here?? I might as well tell you all that my story takes place on an island which has several settlements which are connected via an underground railway. This has advantages from a story point of view. It allows me to use several different environment sets without having to try to combine them into one, or represent the countryside in between them. All I have to do is add an Undersground station access point to each set. Characters can be on one set, and then quickly travel in complete darkness to a different set which is a different style. So long as each set is surrounded by a fence the rest of the island effectively doesn't exist and doesn't need to be rendered.. Grumble grumble grumble. Now people are going to say "Oh you got that idea from the army exercises ". Well I'm going to use it anyway, so a big raspberry to the BBC and the army.

Don't panic!

garrett_3d · May 24

3DIO said:

@background
If the quality were VHS then that would be watchable. I just meant that it has that aweful 90s compression that makes it look as if it was shot on some early flip phone or something. but yup, I do think you'll enjoy the documentary.

I know the Hammer film since it's part of the collectors box I have.  Never heard of "The Stone Tape", so just did a search and found a short clip, but cannot find the full play. I'll keep an eye out though, cause I do love those old BBC-produced one-off plays.

One of my favourites (and I honestly couldn't give a flying flamingo how controversial it is), is Dennis Potter's "Brimstone and Treacle" (the original 1976 BBC version).  At the time, religious types were frothing at the mouth over it, because it portrayed a heinous act of the Devil bringing about a positive result. It's not the sort of thing I could link to I'm afraid, but it's very cleverly written, superbly acted with very well cast characters, and is the only example I know of that has people 'perma-locked' into what is quite a conflicting mind-game. I must stress here I'm talking strictly about the 1976 BBC version which they held back from broadcast until 1987 (the one starring Michael Kitchen and Denholm Elliott), so that's eleven years it was held back from being publicly broadcast due to the religious backlash it generated.

But that's what quality writing is all about:

- If you're left thinking, then that's good writing.
- If you're left angry but thinking, then that's even better writing.
- If you're left angry but unable to defend your anger, then that's writing on a whole new level of genius.

Brimstone and Treacle is the latter of the three, and there's a reason Dennis Potter was such a highly acclaimed screenwriter.
Nothing demonstrates that genius better than that one, and there was you lot thinking The Devlil looks like  Daz's Astaroth 9

Nah, I'm here to tell you all right now that "The Devil" looks like this, and that he is indeed Evil personified :

Damn! I remember watching that as a teenager. I seem to remember it being rather gritty at points. Definitely not something to watch over afternoon tea with your nan.

background · May 24

3DIO said:

@background
If the quality were VHS then that would be watchable. I just meant that it has that aweful 90s compression that makes it look as if it was shot on some early flip phone or something. but yup, I do think you'll enjoy the documentary.

I know the Hammer film since it's part of the collectors box I have.  Never heard of "The Stone Tape", so just did a search and found a short clip, but cannot find the full play. I'll keep an eye out though, cause I do love those old BBC-produced one-off plays.

One of my favourites (and I honestly couldn't give a flying flamingo how controversial it is), is Dennis Potter's "Brimstone and Treacle" (the original 1976 BBC version).  At the time, religious types were frothing at the mouth over it, because it portrayed a heinous act of the Devil bringing about a positive result. It's not the sort of thing I could link to I'm afraid, but it's very cleverly written, superbly acted with very well cast characters, and is the only example I know of that has people 'perma-locked' into what is quite a conflicting mind-game. I must stress here I'm talking strictly about the 1976 BBC version which they held back from broadcast until 1987 (the one starring Michael Kitchen and Denholm Elliott), so that's eleven years it was held back from being publicly broadcast due to the religious backlash it generated.

But that's what quality writing is all about:

- If you're left thinking, then that's good writing.
- If you're left angry but thinking, then that's even better writing.
- If you're left angry but unable to defend your anger, then that's writing on a whole new level of genius.

Brimstone and Treacle is the latter of the three, and there's a reason Dennis Potter was such a highly acclaimed screenwriter.
Nothing demonstrates that genius better than that one, and there was you lot thinking The Devlil looks like  Daz's Astaroth 9

Nah, I'm here to tell you all right now that "The Devil" looks like this, and that he is indeed Evil personified :

Oh I absolutely agree. I once had a discussion with a work colleague who was quite religious ( I know that's a tricky subject here so i won't dwell on any religion aspects of our talk) I described what happens in Brimstone and Treacle and asked him if 'curing' the young lady was a good deed, even if it was done with evil intent. He got very annoyed and walked away.

I liked 'Blue Remembered Hills' Even though the actors were adults it was easy to think of them as children.

Children can be innocent and extremely cruel at the same time.

3DIO · May 24

@garrett_3d
True, but funny enough I think my nana has seen it!

@background
Well, there's no faulting your thoughtful way with words or the way you put the question to him, so perhps he was just having a bad day - lol
It's true though, there's no better way to lock a person into a mind-game than to subject them to that one.

@All
Logging off now. I've a move to concentrate on but will still be reading the forum now and then.
I hope to be back at the computer sooner rather than later, and to finally get the issues sorted!

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