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Man: "Don't ring this number again, you hear me? Now Goodbye!"
These two renders provide the information to the viewer that would have been covered by the underground car-park and office confrontation in the original. I think if I had tried to include the underground car-park, 'Way Out' doors, long corridor, confrontation office, and back out of the car park we would have taken another few days to get here.
A bit too much SSS on the hand, but I think I'll let it pass. If this was a one off render i would adjust various things and try again. I prefer the previous render because it is not so drab looking as this one. I tried making him look annoyed, but it looked more like he was about to eat the handset. I use 'Man' since we don't know his name.
Now we're ready for the little nap.....
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Love the vibe, lighting, posing, framing and naturalness these renders have to them, though I should point out I somehow missed that post where you posted a spoiler. I just saw it this morning but chose not to follow the link so as not to spoil the story for me. I've not seen the series your link suggests, so to me this is all completely new. It also confirms that a suspicion I had has been proven wrong. I chose not to point it out previously in case it spolied the story for others, but since it's not what I thought, I can tell you that I previously suspected your story might be reworking of the notorious "Enfield Poltergeist", and that the character was perhaps a reworking of a man called Maurice Grosse , the paranormal investigator involved with it. If I'd not noticed that previous post this morning, I'd have been further convinced after seeing your latest render since he's holding the phone backwards (the coil would normally come from the bottom of the handset). I thought well that cannot be a mistake, so either he's very strange or there's something even stranger going on :-D
Coincidentally, Maurice Grosse also drove a sporty old car, wore glasses and had a moustache (Jump to 11:30 of this documentary to see him pull up):
Believe it or not, my dad (and some worker he was requested to meet up with), once had breakfast with Diana Dors.
They turned up early, she invited them in, made breakfast for them, sat at the kitchen table and even ate with them.
Absolutely true.
Same here by the way, "Children of the Full Moon" and "The House that Bled to Death" are definitely among my favourites, although my own personal hots is the for the brunette who plays the mother in "The House that Bled to Death" so she tips she scales for me out of those two! Regardless, I think at least twelve of the thirteen episodes made, were excellent. There was only one that I felt was a bit weak and not fitting of such an incredible series as Hammer House of Horror.
The set I have (for the series) is the one shown in the attached thumbnail. I have a separate, much more elabore box set for the Hammer films. I also have the 45 vinyl release of the soudtrack which, wow, what a waste that it was cut so short for the TV series! This is the full uncut version of the theme, and every time I hear it, I cannot help but wonder how many people realise how jaw-droppingly gorgeous the full, uncut theme is. I get goosebumps when the strings really come in (which was sadly cut from the shortened TV version of the theme):
Remember the hearse? Well it looks like whoever was driving it is now inside the house, and up to no good.
Interesting trivia ? The main door on the original series interior set has a curved top following the arch of the glass panels. The exterior door is like I have quickly modelled here, rectangular with a curved window, but it's set within an arched opening, so when it's closed it looks like the door from the interior 'set'.
One of two explanations for this picture: Either A: He has been knocked out by the gas.... Or B: he is stunned by his own foolish mistake holding the handset backwards!
Thanks 3DIO
I got so involved trying to wrestle with the phone that I made that basic mistake. Thanks for mentioning it. This is normally a pose that I would only adopt if I was in the pub, and it was my round.
Thanks for the positive comments. I appreciate any feedback ( even if it makes me look like an idiot ). I'm aware of the Enfield Poltergeist but hadn't seen that video, so I'll be sure to watch it. I'm fascinated by the paranormal, but I have to be careful I've has some really weird dreams after reading or watching that sort of stuff.
I had one 'real' unexplained experience. I was in the house where I grew up, sitting in the lounge. There was a door with frosted glass between the lounge and the kitchen, the lights in the kitchen were on. There were two of us in the lounge, and nobody else in the house. For some reason I looked at the door with the frosted glass and there was a dark shadow on the other side of it, about the height of a person. I was so convinced someone was in the kitchen that I got up and checked ( somewhat nervously ) and also checked the kitchen exterior door. The door was still locked with the keys inside, and there were no other doors apart from the locked one, and the one I entered through. ( I think rendering the previous image, with the figure vaguely visible through the door reminded me ).
One for Richard, and not part of the story as such... If I was to use this character in my story would that be ok? He's not taken from a game or anything, I 'created' him based on a photo. I like to change my characters from the 'out of the box' look. Maybe not always this photogenic, but I hope believable.
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Hah, well since I'm not a drinker, I've never had to adopt such a pose :-D
I'm enjoying your story for sure, although I'm not sure you'll enjoy that video much. Watchable, just, but the compression on it is so bad that it makes their eyes and mouth look weird. The main girl especially looks like she's been given a black eye at times. It's a shame the quality's so bad cause it's a good documentary.
The 2016 film "The Conjuring 2" is about the exact same thing (a highly recommended film that actually translated well to the screen):
Thanks for the link, I'll watch it for sure. I have some old home video's that were originally on videotape ( not sure of the format ) and they are so bad, but at the time they were made it was 'normal' for video recordings to look smeared and generally poor. One of my favourite 'horror' television plays is 'The Stone Tape' by Nigel Kneale, who I mentioned earlier. He specialised in stories that mixed the supernatural with technology. The Stone Tape is about a group of scientists who are trying to create 'the next big thing' in recording media in 1972. They discover that a room in their laboratory is haunted, and set out to try to work out how the haunting works, and if they can trigger an apparition on demand using technology. They hope to adapt the haunting mechanism into a recordable media. Needless to say things get out of hand.
Another of his telvision plays 'The Road' is lost, but it's an unusual take on the supernatural. It is set in the very early days of scientific experiments, when tools like an electroscope were firtst invented. A group of people meet to examine a strange place in a forest, which is supposed to be 'haunted'. some of those present are 'sensitive' and claim to see huge 'beasts' and hear wailing noises and people screaming, It turns out this is a haunting from a future event, specifically a road which is full of refugees fleeing from impending nuclear war.
Quatermass and the Pit has some interesting ideas in it such as Invasion by Proxy. Aliens on another planet want to colonise Earth, but our environment in too hostile for them, so instead the abduct some early hominids, enhance their brain capacity, indoctrinate them, and then return them to Earth, hoping that they will thrive and displace the normal hominids with more intelligent creatures that follow the aliens beliefs. Which begs the question.. if creatures on another planet think like you and hold the same beliefs as you, does it really matter if they are physically different from you?
Life imitates art???
Ok I'm sort of joking but a bit peeved that the BBC have run an article on their website about the army running wargames on a disused station on the London Underground. Don't they realise they just ruined a major plot point of my story here?? I might as well tell you all that my story takes place on an island which has several settlements which are connected via an underground railway. This has advantages from a story point of view. It allows me to use several different environment sets without having to try to combine them into one, or represent the countryside in between them. All I have to do is add an Undersground station access point to each set. Characters can be on one set, and then quickly travel in complete darkness to a different set which is a different style. So long as each set is surrounded by a fence the rest of the island effectively doesn't exist and doesn't need to be rendered.. Grumble grumble grumble. Now people are going to say "Oh you got that idea from the army exercises ". Well I'm going to use it anyway, so a big raspberry to the BBC and the army.
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If the quality were VHS then that would be watchable. I just meant that it has that aweful 90s compression that makes it look as if it was shot on some early flip phone or something. but yup, I do think you'll enjoy the documentary.
I know the Hammer film since it's part of the collectors box I have. Never heard of "The Stone Tape", so just did a search and found a short clip, but cannot find the full play. I'll keep an eye out though, cause I do love those old BBC-produced one-off plays.
One of my favourites (and I honestly couldn't give a flying flamingo how controversial it is), is Dennis Potter's "Brimstone and Treacle" (the original 1976 BBC version). At the time, religious types were frothing at the mouth over it, because it portrayed a heinous act of the Devil bringing about a positive result. It's not the sort of thing I could link to I'm afraid, but it's very cleverly written, superbly acted with very well cast characters, and is the only example I know of that has people 'perma-locked' into what is quite a conflicting mind-game. I must stress here I'm talking strictly about the 1976 BBC version which they held back from broadcast until 1987 (the one starring Michael Kitchen and Denholm Elliott), so that's eleven years it was held back from being publicly broadcast due to the religious backlash it generated.
But that's what quality writing is all about:
- If you're left thinking, then that's good writing.
- If you're left angry but thinking, then that's even better writing.
- If you're left angry but unable to defend your anger, then that's writing on a whole new level of genius.
Brimstone and Treacle is the latter of the three, and there's a reason Dennis Potter was such a highly acclaimed screenwriter.
Nothing demonstrates that genius better than that one, and there was you lot thinking The Devlil looks like Daz's Astaroth 9
Nah, I'm here to tell you all right now that "The Devil" looks like this, and that he is indeed Evil personified :
Don't panic!
Damn! I remember watching that as a teenager. I seem to remember it being rather gritty at points. Definitely not something to watch over afternoon tea with your nan.
Oh I absolutely agree. I once had a discussion with a work colleague who was quite religious ( I know that's a tricky subject here so i won't dwell on any religion aspects of our talk) I described what happens in Brimstone and Treacle and asked him if 'curing' the young lady was a good deed, even if it was done with evil intent. He got very annoyed and walked away.
I liked 'Blue Remembered Hills' Even though the actors were adults it was easy to think of them as children.
Children can be innocent and extremely cruel at the same time.
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True, but funny enough I think my nana has seen it!
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Well, there's no faulting your thoughtful way with words or the way you put the question to him, so perhps he was just having a bad day - lol
It's true though, there's no better way to lock a person into a mind-game than to subject them to that one.
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Logging off now. I've a move to concentrate on but will still be reading the forum now and then.
I hope to be back at the computer sooner rather than later, and to finally get the issues sorted!
Well it looks like the the effects of the gas have worn off, and he's waking up. His fire has gone out, but otherwise things seem normal. I don't think he's quite woken up yet though. Best to open a window and get some fresh air.
Something's not right, maybe a burglar has stolen his windowbox? But I think it's more serious.
I stuggled with his expression, I wanted him to look shocked, but not open mouthed like a goldfish
I removed the windowbox to make it clear this is not a copy of the earlier view. It could come back though, or at least a similar one.
Based on or an exact match? And are you actually using the photo as the texture? An exact match might fall foul of right of publicity, and of course if you are using an actual photo it is protected by copyright. A look-alike that wasn't using a photo would probably be fairly safe.
Thanks Richard. Sadly it uses a photo as the texture, so it's best if I try to find some other texture for him. I've deleted the pictures in my original question.
Yes, that would be best. Feng has quite a good catalogue of "character actors"
I have found your thread.
More delightful comments and images. I'll be watching with great interest.
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Since you made him yourself, why not just change the texture but keep the morph itself? Wouldn't creating the morph with the texture applied help in getting it close enough, so that when you replace the texture, the character still has some resemblence? Must admit that while I have a few textures among my content, it's amazing how many times I randomly switch between them, but nearly always end up using the default Victoria 9 texture. So what I'm saying is I wouldn't let the removal of the photo texture be an issue. If anything, it will probably improve the look if you were to use a vendor's skin instead since they're generally designed without specular and lighting, whereas if you're using a photo texture, then that almost certainy is not going to look as good as a proper character texture anyway.
Personally I would perfect the morph using the photo texture, then switch the texture, then refine the morph to make it look like who you want, but only do the refining once you've replaced the texture with another that is workable.
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Just a heads up that the notorious BBC play I mentioned the other day (Brimstone & Treacle) is available in full and without interlace issues on dailymotion.com If you search for "Brimstone and Treacle (1976)" it should be the first one that appears (with a runtime of one hour and twelve minutes). That's the proper version and doesn't appear to have been butchered by censorship. So anyone who's not seen it, now's your chance to view one of the best acted plays ever screened.
If you're easily offended then best avoided unless you choose to heed Martin's (beautifully written of course) warning:
"If you are a nervous type out there
Switch over, or off, for some calmer air
But you have to be smug or very frail
To believe that no man has a horn or tail"
That's nothing compared to some of the stuff the he says (the wit and humour is pretty heavy, tonge-in-cheek, and hidden all over the play). The Devil is portrayed as 'a bit of a lad' hidden behind a polite and very 'proper' exterior. But regardless of how you come away from it, you can't help but appreciate the quality of acting by all involved, and you'll never forget it because it has a very odd vibe to it that's really not like anything else out there (not that I've seen, anyway). Worthy of note is that Kitchen (The Devil) and Elliott (The Father) are both "RADA" actors, although the way RADA treated Elliott was (in my opinion) bang out of order. Needless to say, I'm guessing Elliot's acting in this one must have made "RADA" feel about a millimeter tall over their rudeness towards him!
I'm guessing Potter saw in Elliot what RADA failed to see, because as pointed out, the characters in this are not just incredibly well acted, but perfectly cast as well. Plays like these are in fact very educational since they teach you how to create stories in such a way as to command the attention of the audience.
Who better to learn from than a master of screenwriting, Dennis Potter.
Thanks 3DiO, I'll look at replacing the texture,and probably change the morph. I created him specifically to resemble the character from Thunderball, so changing him sort of feels like going backwards, but i understand why it's not allowed. There's not a 'Bond' theme to my story, but I like to base characters on people from Film or TV, I find it's easier to use a 'real' person as the foundation for a character, the way they speak, their expressions, even the way they move, rather than starting from a blank slate.
I really liked Denholm Elliott in the TV adaption of Charles Dickens 'The Signalman' , possibly because it combines the supernatural and railways.
Things have slowed down a bit, but I've not stopped the story. It's been too hot here to have the computer rendering images, I can't afford to damage it. But i'm still making notes on things I want to include.
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Baking here, too, in fact I just got baked twice this morning waiting for the buses back and forth between flats. Just got back and eaten, but back out again in about haf an hour, no doubt for another double-baking! Too hot for sure, but then I suppose we Brit's don't often get to complain about such things :-D
I know of The Signalman. It's one of those that seem to pass me by every time I remind myself I need to watch it. I will do eventually, although I should point out that I wasn't just praising Elliott's acting, I thought they were all damn good. Even the girl, she looked genuinely handicapped which made it all the more disturbing. Gotta be honest, I'm very immature in my opinion of Brimstone & Treacle, cause for me it's the strangest little details that make me like it. For example near the beginning where he sees that fire-breathing drawing and gives a smile and a nod to it just as the frame freezes. And that part where he's appeasing the mother with a prayer, it's the way he wiggles his hand 'all casual and cool-like' in order to summon the voices of the choir. Cracked me up the first time I saw it and it still does.
I absolutely love weird little details liike that!
Regards your own characters, I never said this before but I really like your main character. He has a very believable look about him, and although you said you made a mistake in that shot holding the phone, I actually really like that one since again, he has a very believable look about him. Not too easy to get characters to look believable, but you definitely did with him. So the ironic thing is, the one you made up looks more like a real person to me than the one you're tying to create as a look-alike. Whatever workflow you used to create the main character, personally I don't see why it cannot work for the other you're trying to create.
Anyway, must dash. Time for another double-baking!
Yes we shouldn't complain about the weather, but we do all the time. I think our weather is predictably unpredictable if that makes sense
I agree with you on the acting, they were all believable characters, and yes the girl looked completely helpess , especially with her eyes and mouth movements. I think for me the girl was perhaps too realistic, and I was feeling very sorry for her, even though I knew she was acting, but she was fine in the end, so I guess all's well that ends well.
I wouldn't be surprised if it was the realism of the girls' acting that got it banned (perhaps it looked a bit too real to be 'fictional' being acted so damn well).
Apparently, the (then) director of the BBC deemed it "Nauseating, but brilliantly made.".
Anyway, I sincerely am looking forward to the plendiferous work you have in store for us, especially if you've gotten ideas from the old plays you're fond of.
I hope I haven't killed your thread, background! I thought there would be a whole bunch of new stuff by now. Also, sadly I missed whatever it was was you posted in Barbult's thread.
"It's not dead, it's pining for the village". Don't worry you didn't kill the thread, what is happening is, as I suspected, I am having trouble translating the image in my head into an image on the screen. Even at this early stage I'm looking at pictures I already posted and wishing I had done them differently, not the character or the poses, but more to do with the details of the set, like the style of the windows. Ideally I would like to put the character into the Portmeirion setting ( I'm sure i alreeady wrote that ) but it's not feasible without spending maybe a year creating buildings. Failing that I would like to capture the style of the place, but the problem is it's very open. I tried some Stonemason sets, but they looked just too claustrophobic ( not a criticism of the sets, I know they can't be infinitely large ). I tried adding a building to the edge of a set, and it was like looking down a tunnel. Also my budget is not very big, so I'm trying to use what I already have.
The thing I posted in barbult's thread was a cartoon of a human Richard wearing a leotard, no insult intended, it was just a joke, but as barbult said, she prefers Richard to be a cat in her thread.
I hope I can come up with some sort of environment that references the original series well enough to satisfy my vision. The frustrating thing is I have things like the vehicles lined up but no place to put them on. The silly thing is I expect viewers won't care what the environment looks like so long as the story is entertaining.
I'm normally very annoyed when I miss something that was deleted.
That's "Normally", but in this case more like relieved :-D
Regards progressing past the brain fog, honestly, I'm not exaggerating in the least when I say I love the vibe of what you've done so far. Everything from the character, to the car, to the buildings, render style, everything really, I think it all works really well. I'm not you, and you should stick to whatever you feel is best regardless of anyone's opinion, but if I did happen to be you, I would see this first story as more of a practice run. Use it to learn (as you are doing) what you would and would not do in a future story. Not in so far as storyline, but workflow, inspiration and priorities, that sort of thing.
I decided to use it as my thumbnail.