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Yes that's true, and I did think about mobile and wireless phones ( in fact a non working mobile phone will be in the story briefly ). The problem is that there is supposed to be no communication with the outside world ( or at least it is heavily restricted ) so letting the characters use mobile phones would sort of require some explanation of why they don't just ring anyone they please. I suppose it could be a limited range service, or some kind of encryption which makes it incompatible with regular mobile phones. A huge advantage to mobile and wireless phones would be that I wouldn't have to worry about the handset wires, which are a major nuisance.
The original used wireless handsets, which I don't think existed at the time, but of course an actor can speak into and listen to a handset without it actually working.
Eventually, (hopefully) I will know what you are all talking about, but let that happen as the story goes along.
background, I use whatever assets I feel like using, and I don't worry overly much about consistency. Just have fun and so will we.
You are right and I would probably sleep better too. I think there is a danger though for me doing that, because I'm trying to keep it semi-plausible. For your stories you have 100% control of Richard's world, and if you want to add a walking talking giant shark, it adds to the fun and doesn't distract at all from the story IMHO. You can have main street with traffic, and nobody is surprised when Richard drives a car. through it. My story ( or more correctly my version of this story ) will go into the surreal at times for sure, and there will be little jokes, but there will still be a reason why those things happen, other then my suddenly deciding to ( for instance ) create a clone of the main character. I know I'm over thinking it, and I might eventually just let rip with chaos ( you know I like a bit of chaos ).. I've decided nothing will be lost by posting a link to a video of the first few minutes of the original, so you can see how inferior my version is
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Major Spoiler Alert
The Prisoner (1967) | HD Opening Titles
I hope that's viewable where you are, sadly the very start has been missed off., but it's just a shot of clouds in the sky and thunderclaps. Fun trivia, the guy sitting at the desk in the underground room is Geoge Markstein the script editor for thirteen episodes of the series.
My character is not the same guy.because, why re-tell a story that's already been told so well IMHO, so some similar things will happen, but not the same things. The premise of the original is that there is a place where many people are kept confined and interrogated, so I'm trying to tell the story of one of these other people ( and in a different setting ).
OK, my husband says he knows that show very well. I don't remember it at all. But now I know the gist of it. Thanks.
It's what Patrick McGohan used to do, before he started murderiing people on Colombo.
Well, I think I'll have to remain entirely in the dark. I assume it's loosely based on 'The Prisoner' or 'Mission Impossible' or 'The Saint' or 'James Bond' or even 'Carry On Spying'. I'd prefer the last one as I've watched it. More often.
Regards,
Richard
background disclosed his inspiration as The Prisoner in a post above with a video link.
I've seen some "Carry On" films, but not that one, so it's not that. I like a good comedy, but I don't think I could write a comedy story. If I did it would mostly be variations on things I've seen, like Python, Blackadder, the Fast show etc., I have in mind a specific 'joke' for my story, it's something I saw in another film and thought was clever, but the more I think about it, the less funny it seems to be, maybe because it's now like someone re-telling me an old joke that I've heard before.. I remember watching Carry on Camping and Barbara Windsor doing her exercises. I would have been about fourteen then so she made quite an impression.
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Love the "Carry On" movies. Wasn't keen on the pre-colour films, but I reckon the colour ones have to be among the most endearing movies ever made!
Needless to say, my attempts to get stuff to run on my machine can only lead to one Carry-On-Esque conclusion ...
"Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me!" :-D
What sort of problems is your computer having? What are the specs? I've had some insoluable PC problems myself in the past. One was very very annoying, the version of Windows I was on insisted on trying to install a particular update, which took ages to install, and every time it would finish the install, try to reboot, and then tell me the update was incompatible with my hardware ( motherboard ) and spend another age reverting Windows back to the pre-update config... only to do exactly the same thing a few days later, this happened several times, and 'got boring' pretty quickly. Another time Windows decided to do an update, and I got the usual 'Windows is installing an update, do not turn off the computer' message, so I sat there... not much to see, a blank screen, some disk activity, no sign of progress... so after an hour it was getting late and I was getting tired, so I turned it off . Next day switched it back on and nothing visible on screen.. CAPS lock still lit up, so the keyboard was working.. grumble grumble. Turned out he GPU was now ruined, and I don't think it was coincidence that this happened during an update.
I really think 'The Prisoner' was Patrick McGoohan's pet project. He wrote a forty page description of the village in some detail which was given to script writers. He also included personal details, for instance when number six says "The time of my birth is missing" ( from their file on him) , the answer he offers is McGoohans own time of birth, later verified by his daughter. I supect there are other 'easter eggs' in the series that only his close friends or family would have picked up on, at the time. Sometimes I think he got a little too close to number six, too involved in his own fiction, and for a viewer that results in unexplained events and confusion.
Lewis Carroll who has been mentioned before on this forum, included little in-jokes in 'Alice in Wonderland'. The character of the dodo was a reference to himself. He had quite a pronounced stutter, so when he spoke his real surname 'Dodgson' it would sometimes come out as 'Do, Do, Dodgson'. Only his family and friends would have known his real name, so to most readers of 'Alice' the dodo meant nothing.
Thanks barbult, your husband clearly has great taste
. . I started writing a little song about Richard from your stories, based on the Squeeze song "Cool For Cats" but I'm no song writer and it will never see the light of day.
If your husband has thoughts on the last episode 'Fall Out' I would be very interested to read about his views on it In a way it's an ending, number six goes back to his house that we see at the start of every episode apparently free at last, but then the door opens automatically for the butler, just like the ones in the village did. Also interesting that his house number is '1' and that was his house address right from the start of the story. Oh and the hearse puts in an appearance.
I don't know, Spying is probably one of the best Carry On films, despite having Barbara Windsor in it. It's definitely in my top three along with Screaming and Cowboy.
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Cheers mate, but it'd only derail the thread. I've (hopefully) come across some solutions, but I'm waiting until after the move before I try them. I was offered the keys to my new flat this morning, so I'll be paying an admiring visit tomorrow and moving in on Monday. I finally have a proper council flat in a nice (mainly elderly-inhabited) area, well away from this over-priced, private hell-hole. Will have to treat myself to a takeaway tonight to celebrate wiv' meself :-D
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Don't remember "Spying" to be honest. I think the only pre-colour ones I recall are "Cabby" and the one where they run a "Helping Hands Club" kinda thing.
But yup, I absolutely love the (colour) Carry On films. Though I have to say I think it's very unfair that the "Confessions" films aren't as widely known and appreciated. I love those films just as much and for the same reason (very light hearted and endearing). Plus the Confessions films have the added attraction of the (often naked) vintage women those films were intentionally laced with, for example:
Confessions of a Drivng Instructor
Confessions of a WIndow Cleaner
They're basically light-hearted sex comedies. Was handy grabbing those links just now as well, cause I just found out that the complete series of Confessions films have been released in HD on Blu-ray as a set. That'll be my next Blu-ray purchase after moving into my new flat for sure! I already have the set on DVD, but the HD transfer does look better, so will definitely buy on Blu-ray. It really is so nice to see the Confessions films get a Blu-ray release, especially as when it comes to Blu-ray these days, the release has to be either commercially viable, or be worthy of cultural preservation.
@All
Anyway, this is getting wildly off-topic, needless to say I would also like to point out that when I saw Background's render from inside the car looking out (with the dashbord in view), it reminded me of Episode 8 of "Hammer House Of Horror". It's an episode called "Children of the Full Moon" where the opening scene is a smartly-dressed man driving his car down a country road, mysteriously loses control of the accelerator, the brakes stop working, and he ends up at a house hidden in a forest, a house inhabited by a family of werewolves!
The series "Hammer House of Horror" is a solid favourite of mine, so the render got me wondering as soon as I saw it :-D
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I'm not worried about the thread being derailed, it helps fill in the awkward silence swhen I don't have a new render done. I can always drag it back with a picture or two. It brings up something I was thinking about for the story. The original was done as episodes which don't directly follow on from each other, apart from the last two. Indeed they were originally broadcast in a different order than what is consider the 'proper ' order. Some things changed episode to episode, such as the identity of 'Number 2' who we will be meeting later.I'm not sure for the story if it's best to treat the whole thing like one continuous story, or try to break it up into 'episodes'. If i do the 'episodes' that will help explain why there is sometimes a sudden change of tactics. I watched a review of the original series today, and the reviewer said that in his opinon the series started out well, but became boring, so I'll have to spice my version up a bit. To that end I will introducing elemnts that Patrick McGoohan specifically excluded from the original..He objected to any suggestion of 'love interest' owing to his religious beliefs, indeed he was offered and turned down the role of James Bond, because of the sexual aspects of the films. Sadly, or happily, I have no such objections, so my characters will have relationships ( and I hope if he's up there watching he doesn't hate me for it ) To avoid upsetting Richard and Co there will be no graphic nudity.. That's only fair really since I am a guest here. I guess I'll need to think how it's all going to end, and what loose ends will be resolved. The original series ending resulted in thousands of angry fans sending letters and ringing the studio demanding an apology. Patrick McGoohan fled to Ireland in fear of his life apparently, but as he said in an interview later, he exxpected an outcry, and would have been horrified if nobody had reacted.. The two part ending also affected Leo McKern so much he had to have a break from filming to handle a sort of mental breakdown. I've never been an actor but I believ the method they were using was very intense psychologically.
Hey I remember reading the confessions books, and saw one of the films and felt it was toned down compared to the books, but the mind sometimes fills in blanks
Not seen "Children of the Full Moon" but you did remind me of a back and white TV program or film, that I have vague recollections of but no idea what it was called.. It was about a small hotel or guest house which the lead character stays at, and I don't know why but toward the end of the film, the staff take him through various rooms of the hotel and point places out where bombs fell onto it during WW2, and I think in the end he's stood next to a space where the hotel once was, but there's no longer any trace of it, so the whole hotel and staff were ghosts.
Uh-oh, Richard must have found something suspect at the kinks cause he's edited them out. Apologies. I thought it would be ok to give "Safe Mode" links.
I've not read the Confessions books, so couldn't comment on how well they translate, but for anyone who likes the "Carry On" films I'd say the "Confessions" films are along those lines, only more specifically adult-oriented in nature. Some of the actors and actresses even appeared in both series of films.
I'm not familiar with what and who you're discussing, but I intend to enjoy it as it unfolds. You certainly won't get any nudity past Richard, so if there's anything saucy going on you'll have to box clever I'm afraid. But I look forward to it. Regardless the discussion so far, for me it has a " Sapphire & Steel " feel to it, but I can't put my finger on why that is, unless perhaps it's just the general 'vibe' of it.
@3DIO That Hammer House of Horrors episode is one of my favourite, it has Diana Dors in it
I have them all on DVD. The House That Bled To Death and Carpathian Eagle are also good episodes, the latter featuring Suzanne Danielle.
That's good, It will help me if people not familiar with the original follow the thread and comment, that way they can point out anything that doesn't make sense from a story perspective. ( for example "why is that character changing appearance so much?" ) things I might take for granted having watched the original.
An important point is 'Why does almost everyone speak English, and why are the signs all in English? The answer is I don't know any foreign languages well enough to write dialogue or make signs, and even if I did couldn't assume that people watching would understand them, so I'm going to stick to English, but I will point out which country a character comes from if it affects the story. I could try to use an online translator, but that risks turning into comedy, like the Python 'Dirty Hungarian Phrase Book" sketch,, where the Hungarian phrase meaning "Can you direct me to the station?" is translated into the English "Please fondle my bum".
One of my favourite Hammer films is 'Quatermass and the Pit' But I think the TV original is more scary. I love most of Nigel Kneale's work.
Now he's inside his house
This is just for continuity really, it's important that we know he's in the house.
And closing the curtains.....
Might not seem important, but this view is critical to the story. I settled on a telephone, and I already know it's going to give me headaches. A plea to prop/figure makers.. If you make a rigged cable please make sure it doesn't melt when you bend it.
Nice colorful flowers and nice work on the telephone. It will be interesting to see how you deal with those phone cords. I liked the outside and inside views.
Thanks barbult. I can't take credit for the flowers, they came with the houses, but I do like to have a bit of bright colour sometimes if it's not intrusive. I just noticed the curly cable on the phone is sunk into the table, but like the missing shadow of the post box in an earlier picture, I'm trying not to let them bother me too much. The story is the important thing.. I liked the outside and inside views, and I wanted to establish that the guy is looking out of his window. btw the post box vanished accidentally when I was rendering the view that includes the other side of the street earlier. There 'was' another post box there, and they seemed much too close together ( bearing in mind I have to walk about quarter of a mile to a post box in reality ) I tried to delete the second box but it wasn't selectable, so instead I set all it's textures opacities to zero. Little did I realise that the post boxes were instances, so by making that one invisible, they all became invisible.
Here is an out-take. I liked it when I first made it, especially the brighter colours, but quickly realised that the 'room' interior set, which is a separate model, had furniture and longer curtains, so I copied some parts from the interior set, and this render was cut and replaced. I got part of the Toyota into the view on this version, but then I thought 'Why Isn't he curious about the hearse which is parked right behind the Toyota?", so the reworked render just avoids having the vehicles. I like that the reworked render reminds me a little bit of the Jeremy Brett Sherlock Holmes series ( telephone excepted ). I liked that song Holmes was always singing...
Winding your way down on Baker Street
Light in your head and dead on your feet
Well, another crazy day, you'll drink the night away
And forget about everything
Hahahha, but seriously, if there was more British Victorian era stuff available, this story would probably be a Shelock Holmes spin-off. Either that, or a story about Harry Price ( hands up anyone who's heard of Harry Price ). I expect Richard is waving and saying me.. me.
Actually no, I must have come across Harry Price but if so the knowledge had slipped away again.
Harry was a real person and quite famous in his chosen field. He was what you might call 'an original ghost hunter'. A member of the magic circle, he used his knowledge of the illusionist art to expose fraudulent mediums, and to develop scientific methods for investigating and testing psychic phenomena, everything from ghosts to hypnotism, from fire-walking to mind reading He also seems to have been quite a showman, and not above using his skills to misdirect an audience if it got him some attention. He wrote books, and would give speeches at dinners about his experiences. Naturally he would change some details of his stories to protect the anonymity of other people involved, but was accused more than once of fabricating entire stories, rather than just changing names and locations. So he was a 'Game Keeper turned Poacher' to some extent.