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Nvidia Tesla m40 for photoshop and premiere?

milliethegreatmilliethegreat Posts: 456
in Technical Help (nuts n bolts)

Can I use Tesla m40 for photoshop and premiere? I'm using the latest version of the software and my rig has a quadro and two m40 teslas 24gb vram each and windows 11.

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  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    A Google search returned this info on use of a Tesla m40 and DAZ Iray.

     

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  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    The hard part maybe cooling it within a desktop case environment. You may find yourself requiring to purchase an egpu enclosure which would add to the cost of using the Tesla m40.

     

  • DrunkMonkeyProductionsDrunkMonkeyProductions Posts: 1,234

    It'll work, but nvidia driver support is dead, security updates only, so they may not continue to work in future updates.

    AFAIK, full driver support stops in 2028, for volta, pascal(Tesla/quadro P and 10xx) and maxwell(tesla/quadro M and 9xx).

     

     

     

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    It seems to appear a GTX 1060 card has superior performance to the Tesla. The only gain with the Testa is more memory but a much lengthier render time.

    I truly believe IF DAZ really wants to make 3D available to the hobbyists they must get off their addiction to Nvidia and support AMD and Intel cars. To hell with Nvidia and Iray. It simply is too expensive for consumer hobbyists. Perhaps Disney, Pixar and other in film and TV gpu cost is of no issue. But what about everday folks who struggle to make ends meet.  The price of newer RTX card could purchase a lot of groceries, go towards the rent and gas.

     

  • barbultbarbult Posts: 26,833
    kenmo said:

    It seems to appear a GTX 1060 card has superior performance to the Tesla. The only gain with the Testa is more memory but a much lengthier render time.

    I truly believe IF DAZ really wants to make 3D available to the hobbyists they must get off their addiction to Nvidia and support AMD and Intel cars. To hell with Nvidia and Iray. It simply is too expensive for consumer hobbyists. Perhaps Disney, Pixar and other in film and TV gpu cost is of no issue. But what about everday folks who struggle to make ends meet.  The price of newer RTX card could purchase a lot of groceries, go towards the rent and gas.

     

    The question here was about using the cards with Photoshop and Premier, so Iray rendering performance may not be a relevant factor.
  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    I understand that it was mostly for the use of Adobe apps (I use Photoshop & Lightroom). However this is a DAZ forum.

    If I had a Photopshop or Primier question I would post in an Adobe forum.

    I suspect if I posted a similar query about DAZ Studio in a Photoshop forum, I suspect people would reply with their use of the card in Adobe and not DAZ.

     

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,803

    Actually, I am no longer using any Adobe product because of crap support, so when I read "and premiere?" I assumed op was referring to the Premiere options available behind the paywall of Daz Studio now. I had no idea that Adobe had a product/service that also used that nomenclature.

    I have been wondering what was up with Nvidia's 'Tesla' and I am interested in any contructive and informative discussion on the subject.

    This is how the forums work, we ask questions and others may or may not be able to answer. We also treat each other with respect hopefully. 

  • ZoritaeZoritae Posts: 55

    kenmo dijo:

    Al parecer, la tarjeta GTX 1060 ofrece un rendimiento superior a la Tesla. La única ventaja de la Tesla es que tiene más memoria, pero el tiempo de renderizado es mucho mayor.

    Creo firmemente que si DAZ realmente quiere que el 3D sea accesible para los aficionados, debe dejar de depender de Nvidia y dar soporte a las tarjetas AMD e Intel. ¡Al diablo con Nvidia e Iray! Es demasiado caro para los aficionados. Quizás para Disney, Pixar y otras empresas de cine y televisión el coste de las GPU no sea un problema. Pero ¿qué pasa con la gente común que lucha para llegar a fin de mes? El precio de una tarjeta RTX nueva podría servir para comprar mucha comida, pagar el alquiler y la gasolina.

     

    It's something I've been thinking about for a long time. It would be great to be able to choose between Iray and Vulkan/Cycle. 

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    memcneil70 said:

    Actually, I am no longer using any Adobe product because of crap support, so when I read "and premiere?" I assumed op was referring to the Premiere options available behind the paywall of Daz Studio now. I had no idea that Adobe had a product/service that also used that nomenclature.

    I have been wondering what was up with Nvidia's 'Tesla' and I am interested in any contructive and informative discussion on the subject.

    This is how the forums work, we ask questions and others may or may not be able to answer. We also treat each other with respect hopefully. 

    Good tips and points you made.  

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181
    edited April 28

    Zoritae said:

    kenmo dijo:

    Al parecer, la tarjeta GTX 1060 ofrece un rendimiento superior a la Tesla. La única ventaja de la Tesla es que tiene más memoria, pero el tiempo de renderizado es mucho mayor.

    Creo firmemente que si DAZ realmente quiere que el 3D sea accesible para los aficionados, debe dejar de depender de Nvidia y dar soporte a las tarjetas AMD e Intel. ¡Al diablo con Nvidia e Iray! Es demasiado caro para los aficionados. Quizás para Disney, Pixar y otras empresas de cine y televisión el coste de las GPU no sea un problema. Pero ¿qué pasa con la gente común que lucha para llegar a fin de mes? El precio de una tarjeta RTX nueva podría servir para comprar mucha comida, pagar el alquiler y la gasolina.

     

    It's something I've been thinking about for a long time. It would be great to be able to choose between Iray and Vulkan/Cycle. 

    AMD has Prorender which is touted to work with ANY gpu or cpu. Sounds like perhaps an alternative.  

    Post edited by kenmo on
  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    The issue I see with the Tesla m40 is it requires cooling when not in the chassis of a server with adequate air flow and fans.

    Our desktop cases in most instances is already cramped which dictates the purchase of an external gpu (egpu) enclosure which may necessitate the purchase of a power supply for the egpu enclosure.

    I would price out these items before acquiring a Tesla m40. Perhaps two used RTX 3060s wit 12 gb maybe a more viable solution.

     

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    memcneil70 said:

    Actually, I am no longer using any Adobe product because of crap support, so when I read "and premiere?" I assumed op was referring to the Premiere options available behind the paywall of Daz Studio now. I had no idea that Adobe had a product/service that also used that nomenclature.

    I have been wondering what was up with Nvidia's 'Tesla' and I am interested in any contructive and informative discussion on the subject.

    This is how the forums work, we ask questions and others may or may not be able to answer. We also treat each other with respect hopefully. 

    Adobe Premiere is Adobe's video editing app. It is highly regarded. I have the Creative Cloud subscription which gives me Photoshop CC 2026, Photoshop beta and LightRoom Classic. However lately these apps are getting slower and not as staple as they were 3 or 4 years ago. I hear your frustration. Unfotunately I have not found an acceptable substitute for Photoshop that is compatible with my PS plugins, filters, etc. Corel Paint Shop is the only alternative I would consider or perhaps Photoshop Elements.

    Enjoying this thread. 

  • greywolfgreywolf Posts: 145

    kenmo said:

    It seems to appear a GTX 1060 card has superior performance to the Tesla. The only gain with the Testa is more memory but a much lengthier render time.

    I truly believe IF DAZ really wants to make 3D available to the hobbyists they must get off their addiction to Nvidia and support AMD and Intel cars. To hell with Nvidia and Iray. It simply is too expensive for consumer hobbyists. Perhaps Disney, Pixar and other in film and TV gpu cost is of no issue. But what about everday folks who struggle to make ends meet.  The price of newer RTX card could purchase a lot of groceries, go towards the rent and gas.

    I would like to lend my voice to this, assuming that AMD/Intel have photorealistic on-GPU drivers; if they don't, the discussion is moot.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181
    edited April 29

    Driver support has always been an issue with AMD gpus back to the days of ATI ownership.

    However IMHO the discussion is never MOOT when it comes to hobyists. The price of Nvidia gpus is insane and many in the hobby simply can not afford to upgrade unless they skip the rent, reduce eating, etc. That point will NEVER be MOOT with me and is a reality many have to contend with.

    Is DAZ's target market Disney, Pixar, etc or the hobbyist? That is the question that begs to be answered.

    Post edited by kenmo on
  • milliethegreatmilliethegreat Posts: 456

    kenmo said:

    It seems to appear a GTX 1060 card has superior performance to the Tesla. The only gain with the Testa is more memory but a much lengthier render time.

    I truly believe IF DAZ really wants to make 3D available to the hobbyists they must get off their addiction to Nvidia and support AMD and Intel cars. To hell with Nvidia and Iray. It simply is too expensive for consumer hobbyists. Perhaps Disney, Pixar and other in film and TV gpu cost is of no issue. But what about everday folks who struggle to make ends meet.  The price of newer RTX card could purchase a lot of groceries, go towards the rent and gas.

     

    this is EXACTLY what i've been saying for a LONG time! let's get on that DAZ devs! not everyone can afford RTX! to not make other gpu brands compatible with gpu rendering in DAZ and say suck it up and save your money or get a job at mcdonalds or whatever for an RTX just comes off as elitist. at least to me it does. 

  • milliethegreatmilliethegreat Posts: 456

    kenmo said:

    Driver support has always been an issue with AMD gpus back to the days of ATI ownership.

    However IMHO the discussion is never MOOT when it comes to hobyists. The price of Nvidia gpus is insane and many in the hobby simply can not afford to upgrade unless they skip the rent, reduce eating, etc. That point will NEVER be MOOT with me and is a reality many have to contend with.

    Is DAZ's target market Disney, Pixar, etc or the hobbyist? That is the question that begs to be answered.

    i stongly thing Disney and Pixar use DAZ anymore. i think they use other programs. I think some studios  actually use unreal engine now too. i hear of more studios using their own proprietory software and UE and i don't think ive heard of them using DAZ in a while. but take that info with a grain of salt as im not a professional studio. i'm a hobbyest myself. and no using cpu rendering isn't a valid option as far as i'm concernd it's slow and looks like hot garbage imho.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    Thanks @milliethegreat for your comments. Truly appreciated. 

    I often hear many proclaim loudly that Nvidia is superior to AMD for 3D graphics!

    I will ask the Nvidia fans, if the that is the cause, why are AMD gpus prefered over Nvidia by 3Dgamers?

    After all are not 3D games quite gpu intensive?

    Cheers and take care

    Kenmo

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 110,093

    kenmo said:

    Thanks @milliethegreat for your comments. Truly appreciated. 

    I often hear many proclaim loudly that Nvidia is superior to AMD for 3D graphics!

    I will ask the Nvidia fans, if the that is the cause, why are AMD gpus prefered over Nvidia by 3Dgamers?

    After all are not 3D games quite gpu intensive?

    Cheers and take care

    Kenmo

    nVidia has a proprietary set of eatures 9not available on other GPUs) that can be used to make the GPU power available for computation tasks, and those are used by a lot of tools. There are open-source alternatives, but they are not as widely used. If you want to use aplications that require the nVidiia featues then you need an nVidia GPU. It isn't a matter of better, it's a matter of works. Iray uses only nVidia GPUs. dForce and Filament use (broadly) cross-platform featues.

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    My complaint is the extremely high cost of Nvidia cards. The price will continue to be high as long as people continue to gleefully purchase andd upgrade.

    I think if DAZ wants the hobby to  exisit and  grow, DAZ must develop acceptable alternatives. 

    After all, this is only an hobby to me and being on a fixed pension, I 'd rather not cut back heating fuel, groceries, not pay my taxes , etcso I could upgrade to the next Nvidia card. 

    This not a moot point. It is an reality in todays economy.

    Always a pleasure to chat with you, hope you are well.

    Cheers my friend

    Kenmo

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 110,093

    Iray will work on the CPU, it's just much slower. However, Daz wrote neither 3Deliight nor Iray - developing a new render engine would be a huge undertaking, and of course it would - to a greater or lesser extent - break all existing materials, which is a strong disincentive to switch even though there are existing alternatives which are open source and so could in principle be added (there is aof course already Filament for toon-style).

  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    If I want photorealism I can render in Vue which IMHO has superior realism to Iray. Not sure which render engine it uses as it appears to use both gpu and cpu at the same time (however I maybe wroing).

    The only issue I have is Vue materials follow the PBR standard and I can not export an Iray Daz prop along with it's materials to an industry standard PBR format. Nor do any Iray materials export that can used with other 3D apps.

    I wish DAZ would give us an option to export IRAY materials in an industry PBR format.

    Cheers

    Kenmo

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 110,093
    edited 8:32PM

    I replied to your thead in Product Sugestions. https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/762291/daz3d-option-to-export-iray-materials-to-pbr-industry-standard#latest

    Post edited by Richard Haseltine at
  • kenmokenmo Posts: 1,181

    Thanks kindly. Appreciate it.

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