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General Questions about the Genesis Figures

blue_blue_ Posts: 24
in Technical Help (nuts n bolts)

Hello, I have a Question about the different Figure Versions. Could someone explain the Construction and Function of two different Figure Versions in more detail? I'd like to know how a Genesis 8 Female Figure and a Victoria 4.2 Figure are Constructed, and also what the differences are between the two Versions. Does the "Auto Fit" Function also work with the Victoria 4.2 Figure? Are there any Functions available with the Genesis Figures that are not available with the Victoria 4.2 Figure? Are there any Functions like dForce, etc., that do not work with the Victoria 4.2 Figure?

I saw that there's a Victoria 4 Figure available for Genesis 2 (https://www.daz3d.com/victoria-4-for-genesis-2-female). Is this Figure comparable to the Victoria 4.2 Figure? I mean in terms of size and build. Does this Product have the same features as the Genesis Figures?

Then I'd like to know more generally how the Figures are developing. Will the existing Figures remain available, or will they eventually be removed from the Catalog? Are new Versions of the Figures being developed regularly?

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  • LeanaLeana Posts: 13,061
    edited April 27

    Daz has released 9 generations of figures so far starting from the first "Victoria" and "Michael" figures.
    Generations 1 to 3 predate Daz Studio and were made for Poser only.
    V4 was released in 2006 and was primarily made for Poser, though materials for DS were sometimes provided (3DL ones, Iray wasn't part of DS at the time). Same for Michael 4 and Kids 4.
    Genesis 1 was generation 5 and the first one made specifically for Daz Studio, released in 2011. 

    There are many technical differences between V4 and the Genesis line:

    • V4 is in poser format (cr2 file)
    • V4 is not weight mapped, the figure uses a type of rigging called parametric rigging. Genesis 1 and 2 are weigh mapped using a type of rigging called "TriAx", while G3, G8 and G9 use dual quaternions rigging.
    • The morph system used is also different: V4 morphs are not all loaded and ready to use when loading the figure, you usually have to first "inject" morphs you wanted to use to activate the corresponding dial. Also, due to the rigging system the V4 base mesh is split into groups corresponding to the various bones, so some morphs can be "partial" morphs related to only one body part.
    • Clothes don't follow V4 morphs automatically unless there's a matching morph in the clothes. There's a "transfer active morphs" feature in DS which can make the clothes follow active morphs in V4 but it's something you have to activate explicitly.
    • You can't autofit clothes to V4. Autofit only works when the target figure is weight mapped. You can autofit clothes from V4 to Genesis line figures though (if you have a V4 clone for them).
    • dForce didn't exist when V4 was the main figure (it was introduced during Genesis 3 time IIRC), so V4 clothes are not dForce-ready. There's nothing stopping you from applying a dForce modifier to them but the results will vary depending on how the clothes were built (among other things, dForce needs clothes to be welded and not have intersecting parts). Poser dynamic clothes made for V4 have a good chance of working well with dForce as they were intended for simulation in Poser cloth room (they load as static props in DS though).


    "V4 for G2F" is a product which includes a morph for Genesis 2 female to look like V4 base, UVs so that G2F can use V4 textures, and an autofit clone to fit V4 clothes to G2F. The actual figure you use is Genesis 2 female so it has all the features of G2.

     

    Regarding availability, the earliest generation figures (V1/2 and the first kids figures based on generation 2) are not available for sale anymore. The generation 3 base figures are still in the store, but a lot of content for them has been retired several years ago. V4 and all Genesis figures are still available and will likely continue to be available for now. 

    And we'll probably get a Generation 10 figure at some point, but there's no set schedule for that.

    Post edited by Leana on
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