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  • jmucchiellojmucchiello Posts: 1,358
    edited April 13

    butterflyfish said:

    jmucchiello said:

    Even "testing them out" isn't as simple as you say. Will they look good in the lighting I use today, tomorrow, a month from now?

    Maybe I'm being simple here, but how could one naked render make such a difference that you would suddenly know if a skin would look good under all circumstances? I'm genuinely curious. It seems to me that one naked render would tell you how it looks under one specific set of lighting. And that testing something out youself would give you a variety of lighting setups. Or are you asking for an entire gallery of naked renders under a large variety of lighting? 

    Most likely it won't tell me it is right. But it could tell me it is wrong. It's all guesswork ultimately. But one data point must be better than zero data points.

    This isn't a hill I would die on though. 

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  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,938

    butterflyfish said:

    jmucchiello said:

    Even "testing them out" isn't as simple as you say. Will they look good in the lighting I use today, tomorrow, a month from now?

    Maybe I'm being simple here, but how could one naked render make such a difference that you would suddenly know if a skin would look good under all circumstances? I'm genuinely curious. It seems to me that one naked render would tell you how it looks under one specific set of lighting. And that testing something out youself would give you a variety of lighting setups. Or are you asking for an entire gallery of naked renders under a large variety of lighting? 

    One obvious one is to learn if they come with anatomical textures; my own preference would be for the figures to come complete with P.A's freely able to opt out as long as as it is completely obvious in labeling and ideally with an explanation (this character is considered by the artist as a minor for example).  I don't buy characters that are minors so such a declaration would serve multiple purposes.  Another reason is that some users don't want stubble, tan lines, certain skin marks, and a broad expanse of skin allows the user to see how the skin reacts to light or shows the wrap of a tattoo.   

  • butterflyfishbutterflyfish Posts: 1,606
    @jmucchiello : fair enough @nemesis10 : I wasn't asking how naked renders might be helpful. I was asking how one render would show you multiple lighting setups better than trying it out yourself. But thank you.
  • nemesis10nemesis10 Posts: 3,938

    butterflyfish said:

    @jmucchiello : fair enough @nemesis10 : I wasn't asking how naked renders might be helpful. I was asking how one render would show you multiple lighting setups better than trying it out yourself. But thank you.

    It is my fault I wasn't clear. One clear full body shot shows how light plays across the body so you can see if the hips are lighter or darker than the legs, how reflective the skin is etc... Like the real world, the face isn't a great proxy of the rest of a person's body.  It brings back a memory in college of one of the women in the dorm coming down without her makeup and everyone took a moment to recognize her.

  • ElorElor Posts: 3,777

    3DIO said:


    This is the wrong sort of hobby for people who have a problem with nudity.

    Being indifferent or in favor of Daz policy has no logical link with having a problem with nudity in general.

    csaa said:

    Yes, this appears to be the most practical route. Not everyone will be happy, but this way they can have their cake, attempt to eat it, and have the option to hand it back when they don't like the serving. I've had good experience with the Daz team handling refunds. I can vouch for the process.

    It's one of the reason I'm happy to shop here: I still think a lot before buying something but knowning I could get a refund easily is great for my peace of mind.

    Dareshiranu said:

    So, using your criteria, the figures by Cherubit - six female and one male - one female and one male have anatomical materials while the rest do not. By that measure all the other five are underage, or considered so? Yet... only Scarlett has two ages, so it is inevitable/understandable that there won't be any such available there. But the others? Should they be crones before they get to have anatomy? I could easily find other examples, this was just the quickest. And I like Cherubit's work, don't mistake me.

    I don't know which criteria you think I'm using because mine doesn't apply to Cherubit who is not, and I'm quoting myself here, 'a PA [...] usually including AE textures'.

  • memcneil70memcneil70 Posts: 5,823

    3DIO said:

    I spent ages on the store yesterday, going through characters to bookmark for possible purchase.  At least six potential sales were lost during that session due to not being able to see the full skin texture, two of which were from a vendor I've never even seen or heard of before, so it's a damn shame, really.

    It's annoying not being able to see technical nudity, and personally that's all I'm asking for here; technical nudity as Daz themselves used to do it.

     

    If the images are blocked, you can open the image by clicking on it, and a pop-up opens with 'Show Me the Content' on it. Click that and then you may see what was hidden. You may find out it wasn't anything that needed to be hidden after all.

    I don't have an objection to the skin of a character being shown, even though I don't do nudes, it is part of the character after all and issues between areas where mats meet up have been seen in the past.

    I do object to the excessive BDSM products Daz's store has been flooded with, along with sexualization of children/teens. I wish they had just stayed at the other store. But apparently there is a market for them. Okay, I just won't partake of them and avoid those PAs. My choice.

    As far as notifying Customer Service of issues, up to you. I think I had to request one or two returns in my ten years here? Something has to be really off with a product, or I bought a texture, where the main product had already been removed from the store or something like that. But if I do have an issue with a product and am unable to get a satisfactory resolution then I avoid that PA in the future.

  • 3DIO3DIO Posts: 349
    edited April 15

    @memcneil70
    Totally with you on that.  I know about the current system, and yup, it's censoring things that aren't even censored on the forum.  I even had to rush to self-censor a music video I posted the other day, cause I forgot it had nudity in it.  And when I say "nudity" I'm simply referring to the Daz definition of nudity, not mine.  I felt I had to remove it due to one of the womens' dress being a bit sheer, that's all.

    Funny thing is, there is more naked breast on show in some of the Daz clothes promotions I see on the forum, than was visible in the video I self-deleted.  There was not a single square inch of breast that was not covered in the video.  And even in day to day life, the more daring women do dress like that, it's just fashion!

    Regards BDSM content; I reckon I'm as open-minded and kinky as any person could possibly be.  Neverthless, I would not want to see BDSM on the Daz store without filter functionality, either.  Such things can bring a very different feel to the place.  Personally though, I don't see why a simple adult filter wouldn't fix that.  I'm really only bothered by the sudden lack of technical nudity, because for those who produce nudes, the ability to view technical nudity is a must have.

    Anyway, this does appear to be going around in circles, so no point me going on about it.

     

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  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,854

    3DIO said:

    @csaa
    I don't buy character textures that I cannot see prior to purchase.  Life's too short to be messed around requesting refunds, so the only thing I'll be "letting go" is the purchasing of characters from the Daz store, which is very unfortunate, but short of creating my own textures, it's really the only other sensible solution there is.

     

    I agree and why I usually purchase characters from other stores. I deal with enough censorship and prudeness with AI, I don't need the hassle with 3D also. 

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