New policy on mature promo images?
Rod Wise Driggo
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First of all: Some people might have found the mature images for characters useful, others not. I myself found it a welcomed addition letting one fully know what a character would look like in nude/semi-nude renders.
Now it seems that DAZ is slowly reverting back since I've noticed mature images missing from recent DAZ characters but also from some PAs products. There are exceptions like the recent CynderBlue character but all in all I wonder whether DAZ changed their recent policy?
Any news with regards to that.
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I don't think there's been a change and I especially doubt that there'll be a retroactive one as to go back and remove them all would mean going back and editing the pages for thousands of products. Given that DAZ has yet to go back and start labling 3DL only products with some kind of disclaimer about non-compatability going forward, or update the user manual that is now over 12 years out of date, that seems like much more time and effort for for DAZ to commit to. As for new products, it's been my understanding that it's the decision of the PAs to include them or not except in cases where a character looks young enough to be potentially underage, where it's always been a big no-no, and the majority of "toony" figures fall under that category. I wouldn't take much about what DAZ itself does as a real indicator either, as those things are being cranked out so fast that the number of images per product has been dropping anyway. And, of course, as you noted, Cynderblue's latest character, released just two days ago, has nude images, so it certainly has happened just yet...
I don't know but they maybe under pressure for some kind of restrictions I'm sure you have both noticed reactions from some over clothing and such here in the forums plus the way some of our goverments like here in Australia have been recently in censoring restricting internet content and banning enforcing things and what's happened to steam and other sites showing/having adult content
Re: 3DL "incompatibility": As Richard Haseltine & others has pointed out repeatedly, the future DS won't have the 3DL render engine. It WILL still be possible to convert 3DL to Iray--just like DS4.x has done ever since Iray was added.
Yes, rules have changed again. Mature images in store are not allowed anymore. No explanation from DAZ, only a decision. For me it's ok, I have my DeviantArt gallery for mature images.
Bummer, I viewed it as a good and needed change. Yet another reason for me to stop using DS and use AI more. Thanks DAZ!
is silly, they never bothered me, it's just the human body
and I am pretty prudish about sexy stuff
the fetishwear is far more triggering especially if downright painful to wear like some ridiculous shoes are
chafing straps with buckles on sensitive parts that would pinch
nudity doesn't equal adult content to me
its just the natural unclothed unadorned state when UV radiation is low and the wind is not too chilly
My understanding was that we can still do nude technical images to show off a product's texture or shape. What we cannot do is do are renders with gratuitous nudity. Which, mind you, even when we got the green light for nude images, they were always supposed to be more technical than sexual.
The artists' work I purchase have used nude images to show the character standing facing the camera, to the side and back. I have found these images very helpful, and I hope they can continue to provide them.
I agree it does suck gotta make it hard for some content makers that create morphs specificly for the lower anatomy as it is a risk biuying unseen now. Also the clothing and lingerie products had more variety styles if they get censored we might lose more artists and their products relocating elsewhere again
Agreed. Regards, Richard
was just wondering about clothing that have undress/reveal morphs will/are they still allowed to be shown in promos cause I like to see the options what they look like one of the main things I look for in clothing for my pinup art
I don't find them offensive at all, but it does proclude me using the daz website at work.
Daz went for years and years without showing the naughty polygons and apparently survived. When they loosened their grip on that, it still wasn't more than what I've seen at renderosity. But I hope Daz continues to allow the technical nudity because there is benefit to knowing what, actually, we're buying before we buy it. Because a little technical nudity is still not going to turn the Daz site into a couple other sites with names that begin with 'R'.
Honestly, I find the whole thing a bit ridiculous, as the majority of "adult" cg material online is obviously made with DAZ assets, though in the last few years AI has been catching up very quickly. Renderosity solves the problem very easily by displaying images with "adult" content with a black box that reads "Contains adult content" with the image only available by clicking on it. DAZ could do the same and/or add another way to filter so that only registered DAZ users could see them, and tried at one point, but apparently opted not to do so during the huge influx of former Renderosity product. Why? Who the hell knows with DAZ? Maybe they didn't get good advice from their Ouiji board that day. Now we've got a store filled woth products with nude images, including some that really can't be viewed without them, so are they going to go back and make all of those artists they lured away from Rendo redo those images that DAZ already cleared? I'm sure that's going to go over really well with all those PAs unless DAZ is willing to chuck up some money to make it happen.
@cybersox +1
I'm not expecting anything to be redone or changed. I expect it'll be a new rules going forward sort of thing, like the now-abandoned editorial license. Items that had it still have it, but new items don't (even when they probably should).
You're probably correct, but if that's the way it goes then it has to be just a matter of DAZ being arbitrary rather than an actual technical reason, as once it's there, it's there and in the store for all to see unless it's removed, so what's the point in saying no more when it's already there? It's kind of like the old Monty Python joke about cannibalism in the British Navy,: "There is no cannibalism in the British Navy, absolutely none, and when I say none, I mean there is a certain amount." (or, if you prefer, ordering the strawberry tart with just a little rat in it or the eggs, eggs, eggs, spam, and eggs because it's only got a little spam in it, because it still has spam.) Hell, why am I posting here when i could go watch MP again on Amazon? Cybersox out!
@Cybersox Yes indeed!
I would suspect that it has much more to do with companies like Daz, Rendo, and others trying to tip toe the lines for providing services and content to people who want them, while keeping various organizations (Such as banks and credit card companies) from heavily regulating their websites for providing "High Risk" content.
In some worst case situations, financial companies (or governments) have shut down financial transactions, such as credit cards, to the companies in question. What might happen to a 3D CG company if that were to happen? Content areas such as adult content, deep fakes, copyright ownership, underage portrayals, firearms are generally considered "High Risk".
I don't understand. If Daz changed the rules, they should as minimum inform the PAs, but apparently not.
You don't need to render these morphs on a textured character to show how they are working.
With clay renders, as far as I know.
This seems to have been missed - it isn't no nudes, it is no nudes trying to be arty or sexy; showing the bare figure in a functional manner so that you can see the shape or textures will still be OK.
Well maybe soon I won't have to stop shopping and turn off my screen when workers are in the house or vistors are here or kids nearby. Thankfully I no longer work for the company that provided us with work labtops and tracked our usage and fired people for watching nude images. Would be nice to not hide the screen and continue shopping/working.
Edit : And . . . how did DAZ leap from no shoulderless outfits . . . no bare shoulder for (underaged teens) minors . . . and leave all hanging in the wind. How did that u-turn happen?
Edit 2: My ex-s parents are elders.ministers in Utah. Have several friends who own businesses that were born and raised there. Adult websites . . . which DAZ currently is . . . are, not-surprisingly, heavily restricted in UTAH. DAZ headquarters are in Utah
Has it actually been offically released anywhere, in writing, that those are the new terms?
That's what I thought, but my "functional" nude was removed from my soon-to-be-released male product.
this happened with steam and some of the games they had paypal and some credit card companies as well as some goverments encouraged them to dump some games or risk losing their payment services
well Tempesta3d and Magic Brush now older products are still unrestricted they have anatomy morphs different shapes (is that the right term) for male and female interestingly their products don't appear in the anatomony sub section of the store only a couple from Color Galeria who has many more on their store page and one from Laticis Imagery there's also some stuff from Luthbellina in their HD Essentiles but they don't really show the detail. Some of Rawart's newest showing.
There is one recent release though I was wandering if it was a typo mistake there was no image which is a good thing but still saying they had anatomical elements was suprising the little/young boy character from Mousso - Timothy
how about this for an idea yeah I know it may be tooooo much work to pull it off but what Daz devided their store/content into two seperate but connected stores with all the mature adult content including generes that get complained about being sold here like horror, fantasy, some scifi content, monsters/creatures certain clothing like lingerie, swimwear, low cut blouses, miniskirts (anything above the knee or shows midriff or top of chest, heels/boots certain poses evpessions basicly any content that constantly gets negative/offended comments here. And everything else that doesn't on the other site. I could still be on the same site techniqully but can only be seen accessed by clicking a box like the only show Daz+ content