Arabella 7

riftwitch · October 2015

nicstt said:

riftwitch said:

BurstAngel said:

She looks slim to me, not skinny; I think the preponderance of obese people in real life is skewing what we think of as normal. And throughout history appearances of normal has changed; Arabella looks about right to be healthy, remembering that the character looks somewhere around late teens to mid twenties - hard to be sure really. As we age, there is a tendency to put on a little weight; and with women, child birth often (but not always) can have an affect.

It was especially nice to see a character with more natural looking breasts. It saves me adjusting them.

I wasn't actually going to get the character but consider it to be possible one of the most realistic Daz have realised; if not the most realistic.

The funny thing is, some wont agree, which just shows that everything is viewed by us all slightly differently.

I agree, Arabella's breasts are great, and a good starting point for dial spinning. My wife once confessed that when she was driving here for our first date, she was worried that her breasts weren't big enough for my tastes; when she got here and saw my expression, her fears were allayed. Ironically, Breast Control for G3F was released today; it's sitting in my cart with Arabella.

It does seem that descriptive terms have had their meanings change over the years. To me, voluptuous brings to mind a figure like Wonder Woman's, not Bethany's. Curvy could be applied to any woman who isn't built like a 12 year old boy; curves don't have to be big, there just needs to be a noticeable change from breasts to waist to hips. There's a lot of room for variance.

Xenomorphine · October 2015

dkgoose said:

Are there transparency maps for the ghost dress to make it look not ripped?

The dress loads without any rips or tears in it - those are optional. :) It can be used as a 'proper' bridal dress.

Have a look through the promotional images! They show both states.

Serene Night · October 2015

Arabella looks about right to be healthy, remembering that the character looks somewhere around late teens to mid twenties - hard to be sure really. As we age, there is a tendency to put on a little weight; and with women, child birth often (but not always) can have an affect

she doesn't look much like a teen to me. I would say she looks older. :)

Jan19 · October 2015

nicstt said:

Jan19 said:

RCDeschene said:

vwrangler said:

Xenomorphine said:

RCDeschene said:
Interesting points... However, DAZ_Steve said that Gen 6 showed the team that characters like Olympia and Lilith were widely accepted and are among the characters receiving Gen 7 versions.

Updated versions of Olympia and Lilith might potentially be Bethany and Arabella, respectively. It isn't necessarily a guarantee they would be sold with exactly the same names.

If anyone is in need of some of the official figures for Genesis 3, there are already morphs (albeit, not in HD) which bring them over.

DAZ_Steve was, surprisingly enough, very clear that Bethany was NOT the next version of Olympia; that she's her own figure, and the next version of Olympia will actually be called Olympia and is in development as such. I don't think he said anything like that about Lilith, and definitely didn't say anything like that about any of the guys.

Lilith was a lot more curvy than Arabella; I don't think they would try to position her as that replacement, even though she has some of the same sort of supernatural appeal.

In any event, at the pace of at least one figure per month over (one can but guess) the next two years, we have plenty of time to get to Lilith. If named figures that keep their names follow anything like their previous release schedules (which they kind of are, in a really vague way), then we won't see Lilith herself until next summer. Michael will (one hopes) be out vaguely soon (... vaguely).

Well, I do distinctly remember him saying something about Lilith in the context of Olympia getting a Gen 7 update. He did say for a fact that the more successful characters will be seen this Generation, and Daz did rave that Lilith was a huge success.

I bet she was/is. :-) I have Lilith. And I see a bit of Lilith in Arabella, a bit of Ophelia, and a figure that would morph into a lovely Persephone.

She looks slim to me, not skinny; I think the preponderance of obese people in real life is skewing what we think of as normal. And throughout history appearances of normal has changed; Arabella looks about right to be healthy, remembering that the character looks somewhere around late teens to mid twenties - hard to be sure really. As we age, there is a tendency to put on a little weight; and with women, child birth often (but not always) can have an affect.

It was especially nice to see a character with more natural looking breasts. It saves me adjusting them.

I wasn't actually going to get the character but consider it to be possible one of the most realistic Daz have realised; if not the most realistic.

The funny thing is, some wont agree, which just shows that everything is viewed by us all slightly differently.

That's why I wondered if I was seeing what I wanted to see. :-) I've wanted someone to release a fine, tragic heroine figure for a long time. And at first glance, I didn't see Arabella's finer points. But the more I looked at her, the more intrigued I became. When I finally got her, and did a few renders, I said, "Yes, good decision." DAZ has some talented and imaginative figure artists on board.

There is always that risk I think. The face is parly attractive, but also partly qwerky... another plus imo. We do, I suspect see what we want to see, in part becuase we notice those features (in the case of a person - or character model in this case), but sometimes we can also notice what we don't like immediately, or as time goes on and what we liked begins to disappear as everything we don't like becomes more and more noticeable.

That is one of the reasons I usually wait to buy something, even if its just a few hours; kind of making sure I'm seeing what I think as opposed to what I want.

I waited almost two days for Arabella. :-) I knew I wanted her, but it was the accessories I debated over. Which bundle. As to seeing what we want to see, this morning I also saw the faces of two English ladies in Arabella, along with one Irish beauty. I think it's her aristocratic, slightly not perfect features and the different texture maps. That's why I'm really looking forward to seeing someone push the limits with an Arabella character. Wish Surreality was still making ladies, but maybe Fred Winkler's team will go to town with her, like they did with Livia and the Vampire.

nicstt · October 2015

Serene Night said:

Arabella looks about right to be healthy, remembering that the character looks somewhere around late teens to mid twenties - hard to be sure really. As we age, there is a tendency to put on a little weight; and with women, child birth often (but not always) can have an affect

she doesn't look much like a teen to me. I would say she looks older. :)

Agreed, but as I said, it is always hard to be sure. And we tend to think of teens as being fresh-faced individuals; sadly, there are many places in the world where folks grow up a hell of a lot quicker, and that leaves a mark.

Jan19 said:

nicstt said:

Jan19 said:

RCDeschene said:

vwrangler said:

Xenomorphine said:

RCDeschene said:
Interesting points... However, DAZ_Steve said that Gen 6 showed the team that characters like Olympia and Lilith were widely accepted and are among the characters receiving Gen 7 versions.

Updated versions of Olympia and Lilith might potentially be Bethany and Arabella, respectively. It isn't necessarily a guarantee they would be sold with exactly the same names.

If anyone is in need of some of the official figures for Genesis 3, there are already morphs (albeit, not in HD) which bring them over.

DAZ_Steve was, surprisingly enough, very clear that Bethany was NOT the next version of Olympia; that she's her own figure, and the next version of Olympia will actually be called Olympia and is in development as such. I don't think he said anything like that about Lilith, and definitely didn't say anything like that about any of the guys.

Lilith was a lot more curvy than Arabella; I don't think they would try to position her as that replacement, even though she has some of the same sort of supernatural appeal.

In any event, at the pace of at least one figure per month over (one can but guess) the next two years, we have plenty of time to get to Lilith. If named figures that keep their names follow anything like their previous release schedules (which they kind of are, in a really vague way), then we won't see Lilith herself until next summer. Michael will (one hopes) be out vaguely soon (... vaguely).

Well, I do distinctly remember him saying something about Lilith in the context of Olympia getting a Gen 7 update. He did say for a fact that the more successful characters will be seen this Generation, and Daz did rave that Lilith was a huge success.

I bet she was/is. :-) I have Lilith. And I see a bit of Lilith in Arabella, a bit of Ophelia, and a figure that would morph into a lovely Persephone.

She looks slim to me, not skinny; I think the preponderance of obese people in real life is skewing what we think of as normal. And throughout history appearances of normal has changed; Arabella looks about right to be healthy, remembering that the character looks somewhere around late teens to mid twenties - hard to be sure really. As we age, there is a tendency to put on a little weight; and with women, child birth often (but not always) can have an affect.

It was especially nice to see a character with more natural looking breasts. It saves me adjusting them.

I wasn't actually going to get the character but consider it to be possible one of the most realistic Daz have realised; if not the most realistic.

The funny thing is, some wont agree, which just shows that everything is viewed by us all slightly differently.

That's why I wondered if I was seeing what I wanted to see. :-) I've wanted someone to release a fine, tragic heroine figure for a long time. And at first glance, I didn't see Arabella's finer points. But the more I looked at her, the more intrigued I became. When I finally got her, and did a few renders, I said, "Yes, good decision." DAZ has some talented and imaginative figure artists on board.

There is always that risk I think. The face is parly attractive, but also partly qwerky... another plus imo. We do, I suspect see what we want to see, in part becuase we notice those features (in the case of a person - or character model in this case), but sometimes we can also notice what we don't like immediately, or as time goes on and what we liked begins to disappear as everything we don't like becomes more and more noticeable.

That is one of the reasons I usually wait to buy something, even if its just a few hours; kind of making sure I'm seeing what I think as opposed to what I want.

I waited almost two days for Arabella. :-) I knew I wanted her, but it was the accessories I debated over. Which bundle. As to seeing what we want to see, this morning I also saw the faces of two English ladies in Arabella, along with one Irish beauty. I think it's her aristocratic, slightly not perfect features and the different texture maps. That's why I'm really looking forward to seeing someone push the limits with an Arabella character. Wish Surreality was still making ladies, but maybe Fred Winkler's team will go to town with her, like they did with Livia and the Vampire.

Might be my favourite, it's close between this and another; one character I don't like at all, is Victoria 7; not keen on TJ7 either, think it's the eyes there. But yeh, I'm looking forward to some new characters using her morphs; I'll likely make a few of my own too.

Jan19 · October 2015

Might be my favourite, it's close between this and another; one character I don't like at all, is Victoria 7; not keen on TJ7 either, think it's the eyes there. But yeh, I'm looking forward to some new characters using her morphs; I'll likely make a few of my own too.

Sure is fun to make your own things for characters. :-)

nicstt · October 2015

Indeed it is.

N-RArts · October 2015

I was wondering if Arabella was going to be this Gen's version of Lilith (because I would've preferred a Lilith 7). But I do love the style of clothing that is included in the Pro Bundle.

HorusRa · October 2015

devilsatdusk15 said:

I was wondering if Arabella was going to be this Gen's version of Lilith (because I would've preferred a Lilith 7). But I do love the style of clothing that is included in the Pro Bundle.

I hope not. I like Lilith too much myself. I like both figures, but would rather see them seperate characters.

Jan19 · October 2015

devilsatdusk15 said:

I was wondering if Arabella was going to be this Gen's version of Lilith (because I would've preferred a Lilith 7). But I do love the style of clothing that is included in the Pro Bundle.

Someone said "no" to the "Arabella is the G3 Lilith" idea. :-) I like Lilith, also, but either option would've suited me. I'm easy to please.

If/when there is a G3 Lilith, I'm looking forward to seeing her clothes! I hope they're something like Arabella's, although the original Lilith's aren't very.

boisselazon · October 2015

Well, if the make up and style make her look like a "goth" like lilith, the shape and face (skinny style) are closer to ninive.

Jan19 · October 2015

boisselazon said:

Well, if the make up and style make her look like a "goth" like lilith, the shape and face (skinny style) are closer to ninive.

Now that you mention it, I see the similarity. :-)

Dkgoose · October 2015

Xenomorphine said:

dkgoose said:

The dress loads without any rips or tears in it - those are optional. :) It can be used as a 'proper' bridal dress.

Have a look through the promotional images! They show both states.

I finally got to check them out :) the red one doesn't have a no torn option but it still looks good, I love the dress though

Dkgoose · October 2015

Has anyone who bought the IG Iray essentials for Arabella try out the optional textures and change makeup? Did you have to hit the ctrl and ignore option?

DarkSpartan · October 2015

dkgoose said:

Xenomorphine said:

dkgoose said:

The dress loads without any rips or tears in it - those are optional. :) It can be used as a 'proper' bridal dress.

Have a look through the promotional images! They show both states.

I finally got to check them out :) the red one doesn't have a no torn option but it still looks good, I love the dress though

Actually, the no-torn option would be to drop the transmap in the surfaces tab, or make a secondary transmap from the first one that doesn't have the holes in.

Deadly Nightshade I like, actually. It makes for a really nice outfit of the reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety with one small change--

Ditch the spike heeled boots and swap them out for the ones from Karen's Eclipse outfit. They fit together out of the box with no fighting, even with the socks. If you crank up the transparency on the socks, and exchange the default texture with the the dark ones from the expansion pack, you'd think the boots came with the outfit. It comes off really cute, as seen in the attachment, assuming I can get it to take...

Lots of fun things :)

L'Adair · October 2015

DarkSpartan said:
Deadly Nightshade I like, actually. It makes for a really nice outfit of the reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety with one small change--
Ditch the spike heeled boots and swap them out for the ones from Karen's Eclipse outfit. They fit together out of the box with no fighting, even with the socks. If you crank up the transparency on the socks, and exchange the default texture with the the dark ones from the expansion pack, you'd think the boots came with the outfit. It comes off really cute, as seen in the attachment, assuming I can get it to take...

That looks really nice. You know, with all the kit-bashing to come up with outfits of the "reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety" you'd think some of the PAs would come out with products with at least some variations. Like the Ghost Bride has both intact and ragged versions. As much as people complain about the high-heeled boots, wouldn't it be nice to have an outfit come with two boot options, high-heeled and low-heeled? I've seen a couple of outfits I'd buy if they came with low-heeled boots, anywhere from a "flat" half-inch heel to 1.5" heel on the low end.

I have to admit, watching this thread has made a big difference in how I feel about the figure. For now, though, she'll have to remain in the Wishlist...

DarkSpartan · October 2015

L'Adair said:

DarkSpartan said:
Deadly Nightshade I like, actually. It makes for a really nice outfit of the reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety with one small change--
Ditch the spike heeled boots and swap them out for the ones from Karen's Eclipse outfit. They fit together out of the box with no fighting, even with the socks. If you crank up the transparency on the socks, and exchange the default texture with the the dark ones from the expansion pack, you'd think the boots came with the outfit. It comes off really cute, as seen in the attachment, assuming I can get it to take...

That looks really nice. You know, with all the kit-bashing to come up with outfits of the "reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety" you'd think some of the PAs would come out with products with at least some variations. Like the Ghost Bride has both intact and ragged versions. As much as people complain about the high-heeled boots, wouldn't it be nice to have an outfit come with two boot options, high-heeled and low-heeled? I've seen a couple of outfits I'd buy if they came with low-heeled boots, anywhere from a "flat" half-inch heel to 1.5" heel on the low end.

I have to admit, watching this thread has made a big difference in how I feel about the figure. For now, though, she'll have to remain in the Wishlist...

Thank you :)

There's a reason I pick up some of the things I do... There was a very short disagreement with the wife over picking up Karen's pro bundle, which ended when I showed her those boots. Such a rare thing I didn't dare do otherwise. Same for the Hobby Outfit, and the Rogue Sci-Fi suit, both of which are in the full-sized image. Most of the stuff in that image is stuff I've laid hands on in the last few days.

Like I said, I picked up the pro bundle because I had a vision of some things I could do with it... Arabella herself was no more than an afterthought-style bonus. I don't tend to use the shapes in those bundles these days... Having way more fun putting G3F through my modeler with the occasional morph from a resource kit. Toss in a skin or six, and life's pretty good.

The character you're seeing in the slice is called Joy (short for Joyce), and she's a personal favorite. Should I ever get around to trying the whole shoe-making thing, I'll remember to model it flat and dense up the mesh for spiky heel morphs.

If you like the clothing/hair otherwise, I might recommend getting the pack while it's cheap though. $60 is a pile better than $95...

L'Adair · October 2015

DarkSpartan said:
If you like the clothing/hair otherwise, I might recommend getting the pack while it's cheap though. $60 is a pile better than $95...

True. But I seldom buy the Pro bundles anymore. I'm more likely to pick up just the figure, or the starter bundle if it will save me money on things I would otherwise buy separately. Especially when my budget is thin after the drubbing it got from the PA Festival.

DarkSpartan · October 2015

L'Adair said:

DarkSpartan said:
If you like the clothing/hair otherwise, I might recommend getting the pack while it's cheap though. $60 is a pile better than $95...

True. But I seldom buy the Pro bundles anymore. I'm more likely to pick up just the figure, or the starter bundle if it will save me money on things I would otherwise buy separately. Especially when my budget is thin after the drubbing it got from the PA Festival.

I did that math, and the characters/figure/poses came out to $1.32. So I went for the pro bundle. The only G3F I got in not pro was Bethany, and even then I wish I'd had a bit more cash handy.

nicstt · October 2015

L'Adair said:

DarkSpartan said:
Deadly Nightshade I like, actually. It makes for a really nice outfit of the reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety with one small change--
Ditch the spike heeled boots and swap them out for the ones from Karen's Eclipse outfit. They fit together out of the box with no fighting, even with the socks. If you crank up the transparency on the socks, and exchange the default texture with the the dark ones from the expansion pack, you'd think the boots came with the outfit. It comes off really cute, as seen in the attachment, assuming I can get it to take...

That looks really nice. You know, with all the kit-bashing to come up with outfits of the "reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety" you'd think some of the PAs would come out with products with at least some variations. Like the Ghost Bride has both intact and ragged versions. As much as people complain about the high-heeled boots, wouldn't it be nice to have an outfit come with two boot options, high-heeled and low-heeled? I've seen a couple of outfits I'd buy if they came with low-heeled boots, anywhere from a "flat" half-inch heel to 1.5" heel on the low end.

I have to admit, watching this thread has made a big difference in how I feel about the figure. For now, though, she'll have to remain in the Wishlist...

+1

I rarely buy something with heels, and since G3 appeared, never; if they were included in the pro pack, then the clothing items have no influence on that; I buy based on characters and the hair options.

But there are two packs recently I might have bought with flat heels. I'm not a big buyer of clothes, as I prefer the dynamic options, the new material and texture packs have made them much more versatile.

I don't regret changing to the Pro pack; I initially just bought the two additional figures.

DarkSpartan · October 2015

That image I cut out my earlier example from is up in the gallery for the interested...

http://www.daz3d.com/gallery/images/91490

Richard Haseltine · October 2015

L'Adair said:
You know, with all the kit-bashing to come up with outfits of the "reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety" you'd think some of the PAs would come out with products with at least some variations. Like the Ghost Bride has both intact and ragged versions. As much as people complain about the high-heeled boots, wouldn't it be nice to have an outfit come with two boot options, high-heeled and low-heeled? I've seen a couple of outfits I'd buy if they came with low-heeled boots, anywhere from a "flat" half-inch heel to 1.5" heel on the low end.

Have a look at Esha's Patchwork shoe sets (not yet a G3F version, though).

DarkSpartan · October 2015

Richard Haseltine said:

L'Adair said:
You know, with all the kit-bashing to come up with outfits of the "reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety" you'd think some of the PAs would come out with products with at least some variations. Like the Ghost Bride has both intact and ragged versions. As much as people complain about the high-heeled boots, wouldn't it be nice to have an outfit come with two boot options, high-heeled and low-heeled? I've seen a couple of outfits I'd buy if they came with low-heeled boots, anywhere from a "flat" half-inch heel to 1.5" heel on the low end.

Have a look at Esha's Patchwork shoe sets (not yet a G3F version, though).

Autofit's getting better about shoes of late, y'know...

rjwern2_596171ab90 · November 2015

Silver said:

tl155180 said:

Silver said:

tl155180 said:

I don't get it. How is she any different from the other G3 females we've seen so far? Looks pretty much identical to me. Does anyone have a side-by-side comparison with, say, Victoria 7 please?

Vyria looks quite nice though. Can always trust Silver to produce good looking females. Looks like no gens mats though, so not a complete character in my books - shame .

All my girls at Daz (unless its a Teen or something where it doesnt fit ex. zombie, fantasy creature, etc) come with genitals. It should be listed.

Ah, thanks for putting me straight Silver. Its not listed on the product page and the readme wasn't in the docs center yet when I checked, so had to make an assumption. That does put an new complexion on things then because, whilst I'm not that interested in Arabella 7, I am very interested indeed in Vyria. You (Silver) are excellent at creating pretty females.

It says shes based off the base G3F UV, so I assume that Arabella 7 isn't actually essential then? Do you have an image of what she looks like without the Arabella morphs dialled in please?

Edit: Zombies need love too!

Here is a quicky of Vyria without the Arabella dialed in, Vyria uses Arabella at 50%. I think the Arabella is what makes her face personally but its not bad without :)

What hair did you use in this render?

L'Adair · November 2015

Richard Haseltine said:

L'Adair said:
You know, with all the kit-bashing to come up with outfits of the "reasonable (not uber-sexualized) variety" you'd think some of the PAs would come out with products with at least some variations. Like the Ghost Bride has both intact and ragged versions. As much as people complain about the high-heeled boots, wouldn't it be nice to have an outfit come with two boot options, high-heeled and low-heeled? I've seen a couple of outfits I'd buy if they came with low-heeled boots, anywhere from a "flat" half-inch heel to 1.5" heel on the low end.

Have a look at Esha's Patchwork shoe sets (not yet a G3F version, though).

Yes! I have three of the six styles. Very versatile.

DarkSpartan said:

Autofit's getting better about shoes of late, y'know...

I've tried using auto-fit with the Patchwork shoes on G3F... no go.

Jessaii · November 2015

rjwern2_596171ab90 said:

Silver said:

tl155180 said:

Silver said:

tl155180 said:
Here is a quicky of Vyria without the Arabella dialed in, Vyria uses Arabella at 50%. I think the Arabella is what makes her face personally but its not bad without :)

What hair did you use in this render?

Tulip Hair :) http://www.daz3d.com/tulip-hair-for-genesis-3-female-s

L'Adair · November 2015

Well, I finally caved and bought Arabella a while back, just the figure, when it was 50% off with purchase of a new release. I don't have all the G3F figures and characters, but I do have a few, so I tried Arabella "wearing" the skin/eye mats for the others, and I think her face looks rather stunning "wearing" Adaline.

On the other hand, I don't think the other ladies look particularly good "wearing" Arabella. Her eyebrows are too high on her face. I actually went into Photoshop and modified all of her face maps with the eyebrows lowered 72 pixels. (Ended up with a nice no-eyebrows set as well.)

After setting up the intial scene and lighting, the only changes I made were to either which skins/eyes Arabella was wearing, or which figures were wearing Arabella's skin/eyes. I suspect the other skins would have benefited from adjusting the lighting.

And here is Arabella with modified face maps. (I modified all the maps, though I doubt I'll use the fantasy makeups.)

Novica · November 2015

I really like Beatrix and Selena!

L'Adair · November 2015

Novica said:

I really like Beatrix and Selena!

Do you mean you like those figures? Or are you saying you like Arabella with those skin materials? (Just clarifying for my own information...)

I think all of them look good on Arabella, and with the right lighting have the potential of looking great.

lx_2807502 · November 2015

After initially having my doubts, I picked up Arabella while she was on sale. I really like the body (everything up to the head is nice unique shapes from the other G3Fs, texture maps are great) but I'm not a fan of her head at all. It feels really plain in shape apart from the overly distinct cleft in the nose, which you can't dial in/out via a morph. I don't like being forced to use really distinct features from a base character. Fortunately, Vyria exists (just be aware of Vyria's default SubD detail if she's murdering your Iray renders as she was mine.)

I'd love to hear from Daz what the purpose / concept is behind their G3 base figures. I thought I understood G2 pretty well as a series of bases for PAs to launch other similar figures in that area from, but G3 feels very 'well basically it's a slight adjustment on Victoria' for the most part.

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