There's Always Another Sale Thread -- Discussions Only Pt 5

XiousDs · September 19

Sorry to those who had their carts go poof. It really stinks and feels awful when that happens. I checked out much sooner this time to make sure I got my items incase they decided to change the prices again. Instead of scrutinizing many of the items i put in my cart like i normally do, I just added them to cart and and moved on. I went from buying nothing today to spending almost $200 that was not store credit.

Torquinox · September 19

I bought the cute robot set that is today's gold ticket. Thus, I participated. I feel bad, though. Surely worth more than $4 on release day - yet, other people payed $3 and, well... It's complicated. I just hope the vendor sells enough to make it all worthwhile.

Torquinox · September 19

Truth to tell, the bulk of my purchase lately has been from the outlet store. I even buy + memberships make the pricing work. But I haven't committed to a year - Good chance I'll want a Premier for December. We shall see!

joanna · September 19

Torquinox said:

I bought the cute robot set that is today's gold ticket. Thus, I participated. I feel bad, though. Surely worth more than $4 on release day - yet, other people payed $3 and, well... It's complicated. I just hope the vendor sells enough to make it all worthwhile.

I'm on the fence. The robot set is indeed extremely cute. And the price... I mean, it's more than generous for the vendor to offer a whole bundle for that price. But I can't think of anything I'll use it for... I guess I still might get it to support the vendor who was so generous to us.

Cam Fox · September 19

XiousDs said:

Sorry to those who had their carts go poof. It really stinks and feels awful when that happens. I checked out much sooner this time to make sure I got my items incase they decided to change the prices again. Instead of scrutinizing many of the items i put in my cart like i normally do, I just added them to cart and and moved on. I went from buying nothing today to spending almost $200 that was not store credit.

Afaik this is the third Flash Sale during the PA sale with this pricing pattern, where early adopters get deepest discounts. Would be wild if it was a sales technique. I would think more likely it's a side effect of too many discounts / floor pricing rules for the store team to keep track of. (The cart formula must look pretty crazy with all the variables.) As a shopper, there's no way to know if it's a glitch or intended since they do list a multitude of discounts, and often omit the fine print.

I know after seeing the first two such sales poof, I started watching the store earlier and checking out faster in case the prices changed halfway. Bought some stuff I normally wouldn't due to not slowing down to scrutinize. Did a couple large carts without waiting for a gift card as well.

Torquinox · September 19

joanna said:

I'm on the fence. The robot set is indeed extremely cute. And the price... I mean, it's more than generous for the vendor to offer a whole bundle for that price. But I can't think of anything I'll use it for... I guess I still might get it to support the vendor who was so generous to us.

Cuteness, theme, and interest in seeing details of the modeled mesh all pushed me over the edge. I also see a use for it - It tells its own story!

Tomhip · September 19

I am starting to suspect it is some technical issue where discount gets released but something does not properly sync up.

XiousDs · September 19

Cam Fox said:

XiousDs said:

Sorry to those who had their carts go poof. It really stinks and feels awful when that happens. I checked out much sooner this time to make sure I got my items incase they decided to change the prices again. Instead of scrutinizing many of the items i put in my cart like i normally do, I just added them to cart and and moved on. I went from buying nothing today to spending almost $200 that was not store credit.

Afaik this is the third Flash Sale during the PA sale with this pricing pattern, where early adopters get deepest discounts. Would be wild if it was a sales technique. I would think more likely it's a side effect of too many discounts / floor pricing rules for the store team to keep track of. (The cart formula must look pretty crazy with all the variables.) As a shopper, there's no way to know if it's a glitch or intended since they do list a multitude of discounts, and often omit the fine print.

I know after seeing the first two such sales poof, I started watching the store earlier and checking out faster in case the prices changed halfway. Bought some stuff I normally wouldn't due to not slowing down to scrutinize. Did a couple large carts without waiting for a gift card as well.

I bought a bunch that was not on my large wishlist because it was highly discounted. About a 3rd of stone mason's library was wishlisted, and now I own most of his library except for a couple really old items and the new stuff. So if the price was lower than intended, I think I made up for it by buying about 3 times what I would have had the prices been higher. So the unknowing if a really good sale is going to last as is without changes might cause some folks to pull a trigger fast without being as discerning about what they have put in their cart.

XiousDs · September 19

Torquinox said:

joanna said:

I'm on the fence. The robot set is indeed extremely cute. And the price... I mean, it's more than generous for the vendor to offer a whole bundle for that price. But I can't think of anything I'll use it for... I guess I still might get it to support the vendor who was so generous to us.

Cuteness, theme, and interest in seeing details of the modeled mesh all pushed me over the edge. I also see a use for it - It tells its own story!

I love sci-fi, fantasy, and horror, but I also have a soft spot for cute. If it was just the bot by itself, using it to trigger further discounts would have made sense to me. But as a bundle for $2.99, it was a super easy choice for me today.

Cam Fox · September 19

An example of the pricing chaos off the top of my head. We could think of today as having 6 separate promotionals:

Tokens. Up to 30% off PA's and 45% off Daz Originals. These usually undercut the floor prices, and generally stack with any other discounts unless the item price is static.
Golden Ticket. Extra 30% off Featured Artist stores, or an extra 40% off Headlining Artist stores, $2.99 minimum "price after discount" (After just that discount? Or after all discounts? Depends how it's programmed.)
Featured Artist Stores discounts. 55% to 80% off in addition to the Golden Ticket discount. $2.99 minimum "price after discount" (After just that discount? Or after all discounts? Depends how it's programmed.)
30 GETS YOU 30 coupon. Extra 30% off Featured Artists. This would also include 30% off Headlining Artists since they're all crosslisted in the Featured Artists. No mention of how it interacts with floor price / flash sales.
Top Vendor flash sale with 100s pages of products, 70% off. Does the 70% stack with other discounts? No mention of how it interacts with floor price. What if a Featured Artist is cross listed in the Top Vendor flash sale? (I see fine print on the banner now that clarifies the discount should not stack. Also there HAD been crosslisted Featured Artists in the Top Vendor sale earlier.)
Daz Bundle discount which subtracts the price of the items already owned from a carted bundle. Does it subtract from the base price or the discounted price? Does it subtract first and apply discounts after? How does it handle items that are in the bundle AND from today's Featured/Headlining Artists? (Conversely, how does the bundle discount handle items in the Featured/Headlining Artists bucket AND in the flash sale?) What happens with the floor price? And is the 45% token discount applied before or after all the price adjustments?

As a shopper, there's no way to keep up with what's what, since there are too many variables and a bunch of missing clarifications. So it boils down to whether the cart price is agreeable in the moment. From the sales team perspective, I don't know how they would/could manage it all to avoid potential unintended overlap.

Elor · September 19

Cam Fox said:

Daz Bundle discount which subtracts the price of the items already owned from a carted bundle. Does it subtract from the base price or the discounted price? Does it subtract first and apply discounts after? How does it handle items that are in the bundle AND from today's Featured/Headlining Artists? (Conversely, how does the bundle discount handle items in the Featured/Headlining Artists bucket AND in the flash sale?) What happens with the floor price? And is the 45% token discount applied before or after all the price adjustments?

From what I can see, they have decided to keep thing simple and what I think they are doing is the following: they add the non discounted price of every items included in a bundle, to get the price someone would have paid to get them individually, then they calculate the percentage each item represent of that price and it's the discount they will apply if you own that item.

As an example if a bundle has three items costing respectively $50, $35 and $15, someone buying items one by one without any discount would pay $100 to get them. If someone owns the first item, the bundle will have an extra 50% discount, if they own the second, it'll be a 35% discount, and the last will provide a 15% discount.

I suppose they are adding the discount so if you own the first two items, you may get a 85% extra discount but I didn't check with bundles where I already have more than one item.

If you own every item in a bundle, it'll bypass the price floor. If you do not, off the top of my head, it'll have to respect the price floor.

Cam Fox · September 19

Elor said:

From what I can see, they have decided to keep thing simple and what I think they are doing is the following: they add the non discounted price of every items included in a bundle, to get the price someone would have paid to get them individually, then they calculate the percentage each item represent of that price and it's the discount they will apply if you own that item.

As an example if a bundle has three items costing respectively $50, $35 and $15, someone buying items one by one without any discount would pay $100 to get them. If someone owns the first item, the bundle will have an extra 50% discount, if they own the second, it'll be a 35% discount, and the last will provide a 15% discount.

I suppose they are adding the discount so if you own the first two items, you may get a 85% extra discount but I didn't check with bundles where I already have more than one item.

If you own every item in a bundle, it'll bypass the price floor. If you do not, off the top of my head, it'll have to respect the price floor.

Here's a test case from the Top Artists flash sale. https://www.daz3d.com/staff-picks-international-womens-day-bundle

Everything is list price of $46.95 except Daya for $20.95. So the bundle value would be 7 * $46.95 + 1 * $20.95 = $349.60 if bought individually. I own 3 * $46.95 = $140.85 worth of items, which might be $140.85 / $349.60 = 40% discount

The bundle list price is $267.95, to save money compared to buying items individually, so adding it to my cart without any other modifications would seemingly set the price at $267.95 * .6 (40% off) * .26 (the thumbnail shows 74% off for the flash sale) = $41.80 which matches my cart price of $41.60 allowing for rounding errors.

Edits: fixed a bunch of rabbit trails and funky math. :o)

maikdecker · September 19

FrankTheTank said:

Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to render that. Yeah the gravel does look flat. I often use UltraScenery to replace surrounding terrain anyway so that doesn't bother me too much. And I think you mean 6.8GB and 4.8GB? I have the PW Amphibious plane which I just tested and just that alone comes out to 3.5GB loaded in the scene (according to HWMonitor), and about 4.5GB during a render. So I unfortunately would still be rendering with CPU alone even with an empty scene. I'll have to wait until I can get a new GPU.

Yeah, GB not MB - just another sign of how old I am. I mean, just imagine a graphic card has 8 or 16 Gigabyte of memory... everybody knows that 640 kilobyte is all what a computer will ever need, right?!?

FrankTheTank · September 19

My cart tripled in price, I knew I should have checked out hours ago. It's just as well, I'd rather make my first big buy of the sale on a double token day.

ANGELREAPER1972 · September 19

and now prices and some items have have changed in the selections or code invalid now

SilverGirl · September 20

Havos said:

A lot of DOs cost around 40-50c and G9 Characters bundles less than 2 dollars. Although there is a lot of stuff in character bundles that is of little interest to me, I generally like the base character.

Argh... I always forget to check the character bundles.

Got a tidy cart this morning, so really can't complain, especially since I don't specifically /need/ any of the characters... but I've now put the bundles in my WL too so I can keep an eye on them. Weren't in there before because, like you, most of the bundle isn't stuff I'm interested in. If it's going to make the base character that good of a bargain, though, I'll take the rest.

XiousDs · September 20

SilverGirl said:

Havos said:

A lot of DOs cost around 40-50c and G9 Characters bundles less than 2 dollars. Although there is a lot of stuff in character bundles that is of little interest to me, I generally like the base character.

Argh... I always forget to check the character bundles.

Got a tidy cart this morning, so really can't complain, especially since I don't specifically /need/ any of the characters... but I've now put the bundles in my WL too so I can keep an eye on them. Weren't in there before because, like you, most of the bundle isn't stuff I'm interested in. If it's going to make the base character that good of a bargain, though, I'll take the rest.

On potential big discount sales I always check bundle prices first since there are so many items sometimes. If the bundle is 95% or more off, I don't care if there are a few items I might not use because it was cheap enough to have the benefit of being I can use the others later if I want to. I actually did 2 carts today. I did a quick cart with all ofthe qualifying DO bundles that were a great deal in combination with my $10 off DO coupon. I had plenty of tokens to use 8 on a cart that ended up as only $9. After I locked those in, I did another cart using the 30/30 coupon. I got a bunch of bundles in my first cart for so cheap partially because I owned parts of the bundles already so they were extra discounted to begin with. I love that default feature. Today I started buying more individual items from bundles because now of I want the bundle later, I know I am not paying for items 2x. I used to pretty much only buy single items that did not belong to bundles unless I bought the whole bundle because of the annoyance of having double bought multiple items in my first year of Daz hobbying.

kyoto kid · September 20

joanna said:

kpr said:

... like I put, I don't need this bundle!

Buuut... do you want it though?

...Daz needs to be less subtle, like this.

rokkr · September 21

Is there any trick for today's gift card or is it just plain 10%?

XiousDs · September 21

rokkr said:

Is there any trick for today's gift card or is it just plain 10%?

I believe you have to buy a debut new release.

rokkr · September 21

XiousDs said:

rokkr said:

Is there any trick for today's gift card or is it just plain 10%?

I believe you have to buy a debut new release.

Yeah... Thanx, but I know that... I was asking if there's any trick to increase the discount, i.e., make it >10%.

XiousDs · September 22

rokkr said:

XiousDs said:

rokkr said:

Is there any trick for today's gift card or is it just plain 10%?

I believe you have to buy a debut new release.

Yeah... Thanx, but I know that... I was asking if there's any trick to increase the discount, i.e., make it >10%.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to k ow if it was supposed to be 10% off without buying anything extra. Based on how often advertisements have missed key details, get updated, but then caching causes problems, I thought maybe your banner was missing the info for the discount.

danmast94 · September 22

It might be a dumb question, but I just wanted to check; do the "30 gets you 30" coupons count all featured artists or per each artist? So if I have 30 in total across all the featued artists, then the code applies for any items from any of the featured artists? Or is it like if I have 30 from Artist X (who is in the list of featured artists), then the code only discounts Artist X's stuff in my cart?

Leana · September 22

danmast94 said:

It might be a dumb question, but I just wanted to check; do the "30 gets you 30" coupons count all featured artists or per each artist? So if I have 30 in total across all the featued artists, then the code applies for any items from any of the featured artists? Or is it like if I have 30 from Artist X (who is in the list of featured artists), then the code only discounts Artist X's stuff in my cart?

It applies to all featured artists.

SilverGirl · September 22

Quick grab up at changeover+12

3DSaga · September 22

Happy to see the updated Quick Grab!

rokkr · September 22

XiousDs said:

rokkr said:

XiousDs said:

rokkr said:

Is there any trick for today's gift card or is it just plain 10%?

I believe you have to buy a debut new release.

Yeah... Thanx, but I know that... I was asking if there's any trick to increase the discount, i.e., make it >10%.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you wanted to k ow if it was supposed to be 10% off without buying anything extra. Based on how often advertisements have missed key details, get updated, but then caching causes problems, I thought maybe your banner was missing the info for the discount.

No problem. In fact, thanks for the help. Indeed, sometimes trying to guess how discounts work is like a charade.

Tomhip · September 23

Pretty saddened by Sue Yee finaly abandoning G8 line of products :(

Lorraine · September 23

Tomhip said:

Pretty saddened by Sue Yee finaly abandoning G8 line of products :(

Me too :(

Blando Calrissian · September 23

I'm starting to wonder if I've run out of enthusiasm for shopping and sales.

I'll click through the sale page(s), check my wishlist, but usually it ends with me closing the tab and buying nothing, even with all of the sales happening.

Is it burnout? Too much stuff? Worries about the future of Daz? Who knows.

I do know that 2021 me would probably be buying up buckets of content at the moment.

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