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  • NathNath Posts: 3,000

    Leana said:

    Chohole said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    oops

    https://www.daz3d.com/fg-christmas-props

    https://www.daz3d.com/junktown-holiday

    ?

    At a guess, Wendy meant it's a "oops" that those were released after Christmas.

    Or possibly, during Christmas. Boxing Day isn't over yet...

  • miladyderyni_173d399f47miladyderyni_173d399f47 Posts: 2,731

    Nath said:

    Leana said:

    Chohole said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    oops

    https://www.daz3d.com/fg-christmas-props

    https://www.daz3d.com/junktown-holiday

    ?

    At a guess, Wendy meant it's a "oops" that those were released after Christmas.

    Or possibly, during Christmas. Boxing Day isn't over yet...

    Eastern Orthodox Christmas is January 7. 

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314

    miladyderyni_173d399f47 said:

    Nath said:

    Leana said:

    Chohole said:

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    oops

    https://www.daz3d.com/fg-christmas-props

    https://www.daz3d.com/junktown-holiday

    ?

    At a guess, Wendy meant it's a "oops" that those were released after Christmas.

    Or possibly, during Christmas. Boxing Day isn't over yet...

    Eastern Orthodox Christmas is January 7. 

    No one cares.  Most Russians I know don't treat either Christmas as a big deal.  They're all about New Year. And most Greeks I know celebrate Christmas in December along with everyone else, even if they still go to church in January.  Anyway, for Daz this isn't an oops, so much as SOP.

  • FSMCDesignsFSMCDesigns Posts: 12,852

    mwokee said:

    RawArt said:

    Also keep in mind that PA's generally are artist types and work from what inspires them......to start making Christmas stuff when you are still thinking Halloween is tough (though thats when I try to start)

    Well yeah, I be the same way too. I just created some Christmas images and they're too late for this year. Inspiration comes when it comes. But I am thinking of Easter and there is virtually nothing in the store for Easter. I suppose we'll say Easter doesn't sell but what's there is crap. I've learned that with my own artwork, crap never sells.

    I see so much potential for talented PAs to quit their day job or set themselves up for life if they could go beyond skimpy outfits or pretty girls. Someone made the comment that male items are starting to sell better compared to female, but I think a factor is not that male items are becoming more popular but the female market is glutted with inventory. PAs for the most part copy what the others are doing.

    PAs who can produce photo-realistic objects and characters are going to rise above the rest and the rest will see their earnings shrink. I'm not saying PAs should stop making toonish and fantasy stuff, they should create toonish AND fantasy AND realism. Business, medical, education, corporate, genres, not just medieval and science fiction. The PA who can produce across the board is going to make it and grow compared to those who keep creating variations of the same thing.

    Daz has moved my artwork to a new level because I can edit photography and renders together to produce concepts my competition has yet to figure out how to do. I am not a great artist but I've learned to stay ahead of the curve by doing things new and different or with a fresh twist. If I could figure out how to be a good artist I could quit my day job rather than supplement my income.

    I know I'm off on a tangent here but PAs just keep cranking out skimp-ware and pretty faces. You'd think one would create a quality Gen8 Uncle Sam or a Frankenstein outfit that didn't look like a ripped plastic Hefty bag. Among a million other things I could use.

    I love how you seem to have more insight into this than the acual PAs. The potential would be there if this was a big enough market which it isn't according the PAs and DAZ. Until that day comes, it makes sense for PAs to cater to the masses instead of the few who cry the loudest.

    Also, as rawart posted, the PAs are artists to and create what inspires them, not what some users declare they want. Just because you want an Uncle Sam outfit doesn't mean any PA feels like making one.

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314

    FSMCDesigns said:

    mwokee said:

    RawArt said:

    Also keep in mind that PA's generally are artist types and work from what inspires them......to start making Christmas stuff when you are still thinking Halloween is tough (though thats when I try to start)

    Well yeah, I be the same way too. I just created some Christmas images and they're too late for this year. Inspiration comes when it comes. But I am thinking of Easter and there is virtually nothing in the store for Easter. I suppose we'll say Easter doesn't sell but what's there is crap. I've learned that with my own artwork, crap never sells.

    I see so much potential for talented PAs to quit their day job or set themselves up for life if they could go beyond skimpy outfits or pretty girls. Someone made the comment that male items are starting to sell better compared to female, but I think a factor is not that male items are becoming more popular but the female market is glutted with inventory. PAs for the most part copy what the others are doing.

    PAs who can produce photo-realistic objects and characters are going to rise above the rest and the rest will see their earnings shrink. I'm not saying PAs should stop making toonish and fantasy stuff, they should create toonish AND fantasy AND realism. Business, medical, education, corporate, genres, not just medieval and science fiction. The PA who can produce across the board is going to make it and grow compared to those who keep creating variations of the same thing.

    Daz has moved my artwork to a new level because I can edit photography and renders together to produce concepts my competition has yet to figure out how to do. I am not a great artist but I've learned to stay ahead of the curve by doing things new and different or with a fresh twist. If I could figure out how to be a good artist I could quit my day job rather than supplement my income.

    I know I'm off on a tangent here but PAs just keep cranking out skimp-ware and pretty faces. You'd think one would create a quality Gen8 Uncle Sam or a Frankenstein outfit that didn't look like a ripped plastic Hefty bag. Among a million other things I could use.

    I love how you seem to have more insight into this than the acual PAs. The potential would be there if this was a big enough market which it isn't according the PAs and DAZ. Until that day comes, it makes sense for PAs to cater to the masses instead of the few who cry the loudest.

    Also, as rawart posted, the PAs are artists to and create what inspires them, not what some users declare they want. Just because you want an Uncle Sam outfit doesn't mean any PA feels like making one.

    Well, it appears that PAs vary in their motivations, both individually, and moment-to-moment.  On the one hand, some produce skimpy clothing because it sells, and on the other, some only produce what they feel like producing, and only put in as much effort as they feel like putting in.

    If I were a PA, and my Christmas stuff hit the store when there's no longer a demand for it, I would conclude that there's insufficient demand, and no longer produce it.   In the case of today's offerings, my guess is that the items were submitted to the store some time ago, and that rather than Christmas items, we got cyberpunk and volleyball animations.  The cyberpunk stuff is topical, but real cyberpunk fans would be playing the game (or trying to) rather than rendering right now.

  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,855

    Sevrin said:

    FSMCDesigns said:

    mwokee said:

    RawArt said:

    Also keep in mind that PA's generally are artist types and work from what inspires them......to start making Christmas stuff when you are still thinking Halloween is tough (though thats when I try to start)

    Well yeah, I be the same way too. I just created some Christmas images and they're too late for this year. Inspiration comes when it comes. But I am thinking of Easter and there is virtually nothing in the store for Easter. I suppose we'll say Easter doesn't sell but what's there is crap. I've learned that with my own artwork, crap never sells.

    I see so much potential for talented PAs to quit their day job or set themselves up for life if they could go beyond skimpy outfits or pretty girls. Someone made the comment that male items are starting to sell better compared to female, but I think a factor is not that male items are becoming more popular but the female market is glutted with inventory. PAs for the most part copy what the others are doing.

    PAs who can produce photo-realistic objects and characters are going to rise above the rest and the rest will see their earnings shrink. I'm not saying PAs should stop making toonish and fantasy stuff, they should create toonish AND fantasy AND realism. Business, medical, education, corporate, genres, not just medieval and science fiction. The PA who can produce across the board is going to make it and grow compared to those who keep creating variations of the same thing.

    Daz has moved my artwork to a new level because I can edit photography and renders together to produce concepts my competition has yet to figure out how to do. I am not a great artist but I've learned to stay ahead of the curve by doing things new and different or with a fresh twist. If I could figure out how to be a good artist I could quit my day job rather than supplement my income.

    I know I'm off on a tangent here but PAs just keep cranking out skimp-ware and pretty faces. You'd think one would create a quality Gen8 Uncle Sam or a Frankenstein outfit that didn't look like a ripped plastic Hefty bag. Among a million other things I could use.

    I love how you seem to have more insight into this than the acual PAs. The potential would be there if this was a big enough market which it isn't according the PAs and DAZ. Until that day comes, it makes sense for PAs to cater to the masses instead of the few who cry the loudest.

    Also, as rawart posted, the PAs are artists to and create what inspires them, not what some users declare they want. Just because you want an Uncle Sam outfit doesn't mean any PA feels like making one.

    Well, it appears that PAs vary in their motivations, both individually, and moment-to-moment.  On the one hand, some produce skimpy clothing because it sells, and on the other, some only produce what they feel like producing, and only put in as much effort as they feel like putting in.

    If I were a PA, and my Christmas stuff hit the store when there's no longer a demand for it, I would conclude that there's insufficient demand, and no longer produce it.   In the case of today's offerings, my guess is that the items were submitted to the store some time ago, and that rather than Christmas items, we got cyberpunk and volleyball animations.  The cyberpunk stuff is topical, but real cyberpunk fans would be playing the game (or trying to) rather than rendering right now.

    Isn't it just amazing how much insight you have into the behind-the-scenes workings of the DAZ store that the rest of us don't possess. Please enlighten us further.

  • j cadej cade Posts: 2,310
    FSMCDesigns said:

    mwokee said:

    RawArt said:

    Also keep in mind that PA's generally are artist types and work from what inspires them......to start making Christmas stuff when you are still thinking Halloween is tough (though thats when I try to start)

    Well yeah, I be the same way too. I just created some Christmas images and they're too late for this year. Inspiration comes when it comes. But I am thinking of Easter and there is virtually nothing in the store for Easter. I suppose we'll say Easter doesn't sell but what's there is crap. I've learned that with my own artwork, crap never sells.

    I see so much potential for talented PAs to quit their day job or set themselves up for life if they could go beyond skimpy outfits or pretty girls. Someone made the comment that male items are starting to sell better compared to female, but I think a factor is not that male items are becoming more popular but the female market is glutted with inventory. PAs for the most part copy what the others are doing.

    PAs who can produce photo-realistic objects and characters are going to rise above the rest and the rest will see their earnings shrink. I'm not saying PAs should stop making toonish and fantasy stuff, they should create toonish AND fantasy AND realism. Business, medical, education, corporate, genres, not just medieval and science fiction. The PA who can produce across the board is going to make it and grow compared to those who keep creating variations of the same thing.

    Daz has moved my artwork to a new level because I can edit photography and renders together to produce concepts my competition has yet to figure out how to do. I am not a great artist but I've learned to stay ahead of the curve by doing things new and different or with a fresh twist. If I could figure out how to be a good artist I could quit my day job rather than supplement my income.

    I know I'm off on a tangent here but PAs just keep cranking out skimp-ware and pretty faces. You'd think one would create a quality Gen8 Uncle Sam or a Frankenstein outfit that didn't look like a ripped plastic Hefty bag. Among a million other things I could use.

    I love how you seem to have more insight into this than the acual PAs. The potential would be there if this was a big enough market which it isn't according the PAs and DAZ. Until that day comes, it makes sense for PAs to cater to the masses instead of the few who cry the loudest.

    Also, as rawart posted, the PAs are artists to and create what inspires them, not what some users declare they want. Just because you want an Uncle Sam outfit doesn't mean any PA feels like making one.

    I feel like it a very common bit of human nature to assume that because you're interested in something a bunch of other people must be too. 'X is useful to me, therefore x is useful, therefore it must be useful to everyone therefore everyone else must also want x'

    Thankfully I grew up with a bunch of super niche interests, so I always assume if I like something there's less of a chance it has a market.
  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,693

    who prefers to buy holiday stuff the day after the holiday?

    who finds it more profitable selling holiday stuff after the holiday?

    I don't think it takes much insight to realise this is less than ideal

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704

    I am personally  done with Christmas until fall of next year. Anything on sale now or newly released will get bought next fall or in a deep dish sale. I am thinking of Valentine's Day now.

  • AscaniaAscania Posts: 1,855

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    who prefers to buy holiday stuff the day after the holiday?

    who finds it more profitable selling holiday stuff after the holiday?

    I don't think it takes much insight to realise this is less than ideal

    Probably the wholesale suppliers for the event industry. The event industry itself starts planning and preparing for next year's Christmas in about a month's time.

  • nonesuch00nonesuch00 Posts: 18,848
    edited December 2020

    This thread makes me curious, if any sort of holiday stuff doesn't sell well except for violent themes, that could be deemed to be Halloween themed because of the violence, what does sell really well besides female models? Do female clothes sell as well as female models? Does female hair sell as well as female models? After all most of the female models in the store are based on the same merchant resources for skin materials and even for the most avid collector that must get monotonous after about 25 or so of such models. We know 'guys' and 'guys clothing' does not sell so well. What's left? poses, environmental sets, guy hair, occasional scripts, and increasingly more pre-canned animations.

    I don't particularly think DAZ's sort by popularity in their store is even remotely accurate. Wonder what the time frame is, week, 2 weeks, month?

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  • CybersoxCybersox Posts: 9,639

    nonesuch00 said:

    This thread males me curious, if any sort of holiday stuff doesn't sell well except for violent themes, that could be deemed to be Halloween themed because of the violence, what does sell really well besides female models? Do female clothes sell as well as female models? Does female hair sell as well as female models? After all most of the female models in the store are based on the same merchant resources for skin materials and even for the most avid collector that must get monotonous after about 25 or so of such models. We know 'guys' and 'guys clothing' does not sell so well. What's left? poses, environmental sets, guy hair, occasional scripts, and increasingly more pre-canned animations.

    I don't particularly think DAZ's sort by popularity in their store is even remotely accurate. Wonder what the time frame is, week, 2 weeks, month?

     I think the popularity sort is pased completely on input from a guy named Tony who hangs out by the DAZ water cooler.  That said, I think most people have pretty highly inflated concepts of how well anything at the DAZ store actually sells.  Sickleyield recently updated her "Making a LIving At DAZ3d" article at Deviant art, and it still says that only a few DAZ artists manage to break six figures annually at DAZ, and I've seen more than a few quotes from other PAs of products not even breaking a hundred units.      

  • WendyLuvsCatzWendyLuvsCatz Posts: 40,693

    https://www.daz3d.com/santas-helper-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    the Christmas stuff is still coming for next year cheeky

  • Silent WinterSilent Winter Posts: 3,919

    Lol. At least that outfit looks reasonably versatile and can be used for non-Christmas renders.

  • tombraider4evertombraider4ever Posts: 751

    I would like to know if this set: https://www.daz3d.com/santas-helper-outfit-for-genesis-8-females comes with the skirt also, looking at the text on the promos and the description it looks like that it is not included, but it is in the same materials so it gives the impression that that is part of the outfit. A bit confusing. I'm not buying this if the skirt doesn't come with it. 

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314

    tombraider4ever said:

    I would like to know if this set: https://www.daz3d.com/santas-helper-outfit-for-genesis-8-females comes with the skirt also, looking at the text on the promos and the description it looks like that it is not included, but it is in the same materials so it gives the impression that that is part of the outfit. A bit confusing. I'm not buying this if the skirt doesn't come with it. 

    If you look at the readme, you'll see that it's included.

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/80023/start

  • tombraider4evertombraider4ever Posts: 751

    Sevrin said:

    tombraider4ever said:

    I would like to know if this set: https://www.daz3d.com/santas-helper-outfit-for-genesis-8-females comes with the skirt also, looking at the text on the promos and the description it looks like that it is not included, but it is in the same materials so it gives the impression that that is part of the outfit. A bit confusing. I'm not buying this if the skirt doesn't come with it. 

    If you look at the readme, you'll see that it's included.

     

    http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/read_me/index/80023/start

    Thanks for the reply smiley, it looks like the skirt is included. I'll add it to my wishlist.  But the skirt is not listed in the description or listed in text on the promos like the other parts of the outfits, must be an error.  

  • SevrinSevrin Posts: 6,314

    WendyLuvsCatz said:

    https://www.daz3d.com/santas-helper-outfit-for-genesis-8-females

    the Christmas stuff is still coming for next year cheeky

    Yup! Artistic Lighting Kit: It's Christmas Time! | 3D Models and 3D Software by Daz 3D

    It's Totallly Christmas Time! 

    On the other hand, missing Christmas isn't as bad as missing St. Valentine's Day, which we'll probably also miss.

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