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  • lana_lasslana_lass Posts: 520
    edited April 2020
    Gordig said:
    lana_lass said:

    Love it @Alex86fire! Did you get any of the items used in that render as part of the extended Dasan deal? I know you spent time considering your cart :) It's very cool!

     

    I don't know why I'd convinced myself that today (Easter Monday) would be the release day for the counterpart for Dasan 8! I literally went straight onto the site after breakfast to check and was mega disappointed not to see a new core character banner... but I had NO actual reason for thinking this would happen haha. It'll probably be a few weeks yet, but I think I'm going to hold back my store credit in any case :)  @xyer0 raises a good point about the core figures being "an uneven bunch", I can see that from the examples provided... but I've still got my fingers crossed that they'll follow Dasan up with a counterpart of equal quality... and that'll be AMAZING! 

    Alawa 8 showed up in the fits for an outfit that was released a couple weeks ago, so I would guess we’ee Not that far off from a female counterpart to Dasan. 

    Oh how super exciting! Alawa is coming up as an Algonquian name (adorably meaning "Pea") so that totally fits with her being the counterpart to Dasan :D :D Great spot @Gordig

     

    Question: A lot of people have commented on the somewhat random collection of clothing items released as Dasan 8s Pro Bundle. It seems with the name of the potential counterpart also being of First Nations/Indigeonus North American lineage, that Daz are looking to represent the Indigeonus American ethnicity with these new figures which is really great. However, I note that Sanjay + Kala and Mei Lin + Lei and Mr Woo + Chow all came with Pro Bundle clothing that related to their culture and heritage... So I'm wondering why this hasn't been the case with Dasan? Of course, as a person of Middle Eastern ethnic heritage myself I fully understand there is the potential issue of cultural sensitivity... where there perhaps complaints about this aspect of the other bundles? Or is the issue of cultural representation of Indigeonus American people additionally challenging for some reason that I, as a British person, am unaware of? Not wising to get political on this, but it just seems a little curious to me.

     

    alex86fire said:

    Thank you @lana_lass.

    Yes, the girl and her hair is from the deal as well. very happy about the hair.

    I've also found a use for the MoonAge outfit.

    Woah Awesome GIF - Woah Awesome Great - Discover & Share GIFs ...

     

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  • 3Ddreamer3Ddreamer Posts: 1,340

    You weren't around for the Great Darius/Monique debarcal ;-) Check out Darius 6 and Monique 6 Pro bundles and Voodoo Magic Bundles.

    I'd love to get some realistic, authentic, historical native clothes to dress my Native Americans in with a bit of variety, they weren't all Plains Indians, though I wouldn't mind some nice buckskins either. ;-)

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,600

    There are definitely challenges with representing native culture that I could understand PAs not wanting to tackle. Natives are much less visible in popular culture than other ethnic groups, and are arguably afforded lower cultural status than even Africans. Also, extermination of native culture has actually been  official government policy in the Americas and Australia, which doesn’t help with efforts to represent those same cultures. Most people’s awareness of native culture comes entirely from media portrayals, which are frequently stereotyped and inaccurate. It would be nice to see some authentic native outfits for sale in the Daz store, but it could also go horribly wrong. Dasan is a great character who looks convincingly native, and there have been other characters like Ohanzi and Tennessee in the past, but “native” female characters to this point have overwhelmingly been “Pocahontased”, looking more like vaguely ethnic pretty white girls than actual natives (and to be clear, I absolutely don’t mean that real natives can’t be pretty), so I hope Alawa follows in Dasan’s footsteps instead of being another Wachiwi, for example. 

  • lana_lasslana_lass Posts: 520
    edited April 2020

     

    Thanks for your input and some Daz history, guys! I just looked at Darius/Monique 6 Pro Bundles @3Ddreamer... oh dear indecision... not exactly sad that I wasn't around for that lol.

    All very interesting @Gordig, thank you for taking the time to detail that, and I agree :) Not looking for "pocahontased" or fetishised ethnic core characters at all, but it just interested me because heritage/culture has been present in the other Gen 8 core characters Pro Bundles of East Asian, Indian, etc., descent so I wondered why not here... and whether it was the result of some feedback on those bundles!!  

    Interestingly on Dasan 8, Daz have done this awesome blog post about Retrofuturism in which the describe his character as "a character made specifically for Retrofuturistic scenes" ... https://blog.daz3d.com/how-to-make-a-really-cool-retrofuturism-scene/

    There is definitely something a little Zardoz and Dune about his Pro Bundle haha which I say in a good way wink Kitsch sci-fi all the way, please. 

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  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited April 2020
    Gordig said:

    There are definitely challenges with representing native culture that I could understand PAs not wanting to tackle. Natives are much less visible in popular culture than other ethnic groups, and are arguably afforded lower cultural status than even Africans. Also, extermination of native culture has actually been  official government policy in the Americas and Australia, which doesn’t help with efforts to represent those same cultures. Most people’s awareness of native culture comes entirely from media portrayals, which are frequently stereotyped and inaccurate. It would be nice to see some authentic native outfits for sale in the Daz store, but it could also go horribly wrong. Dasan is a great character who looks convincingly native, and there have been other characters like Ohanzi and Tennessee in the past, but “native” female characters to this point have overwhelmingly been “Pocahontased”, looking more like vaguely ethnic pretty white girls than actual natives (and to be clear, I absolutely don’t mean that real natives can’t be pretty), so I hope Alawa follows in Dasan’s footsteps instead of being another Wachiwi, for example. 

    The only way I can see native american dress going horribly wrong is if the female outfits were "revealing", which they were definitely not in almost every case. They were completely covered, with long sleeved layered dresses with shawls and knee high mocs in very many cases. Personally, I would much rather have a realistic looking outfit rather than a sexualized one.

    Laurie

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  • WonderlandWonderland Posts: 7,133
    AllenArt said:
    Gordig said:

    There are definitely challenges with representing native culture that I could understand PAs not wanting to tackle. Natives are much less visible in popular culture than other ethnic groups, and are arguably afforded lower cultural status than even Africans. Also, extermination of native culture has actually been  official government policy in the Americas and Australia, which doesn’t help with efforts to represent those same cultures. Most people’s awareness of native culture comes entirely from media portrayals, which are frequently stereotyped and inaccurate. It would be nice to see some authentic native outfits for sale in the Daz store, but it could also go horribly wrong. Dasan is a great character who looks convincingly native, and there have been other characters like Ohanzi and Tennessee in the past, but “native” female characters to this point have overwhelmingly been “Pocahontased”, looking more like vaguely ethnic pretty white girls than actual natives (and to be clear, I absolutely don’t mean that real natives can’t be pretty), so I hope Alawa follows in Dasan’s footsteps instead of being another Wachiwi, for example. 

    The only way I can see native american dress going horribly wrong is if the female outfits were "revealing", which they were definitely not in almost every case. They were completely covered, with long sleeved layered dresses with shawls and knee high mocs in very many cases. Personally, I would much rather have a realistic looking outfit rather than a sexualized one.

    Laurie

    Yes, but there are those of us who might like to do Native American inspired sexy fantasy pinup art. They have sexy Asian, Persian, American cowgirl  (and all other American clothes,) so why not Native American? It would be nice to have a choice of both realistic and sexy fantasy versions.

  • Serene NightSerene Night Posts: 17,704
    edited April 2020
    AllenArt said:
     

    The only way I can see native american dress going horribly wrong is if the female outfits were "revealing", which they were definitely not in almost every case. They were completely covered, with long sleeved layered dresses with shawls and knee high mocs in very many cases. Personally, I would much rather have a realistic looking outfit rather than a sexualized one.

    Laurie

    Native garb runs the gamut. Some went topless, and they were good with that. Modern ideas of outfits being specifically modest, because they had more cloth/fabric/skins is a western viewpoint not shared by everyone. Also post colonial attitudes causes some shift in what native garb looked like. Oufits also varied depending on custom and season.

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  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,438
    edited April 2020
    Hylas said:

    He looks great and adds something new to the gene pool.

    I don't understand his packaging at all though and most of the items and add-ons seem uninspired. Only Noburo is intriguing to me.

    has anyone tried (or would be nice enough to try) Noburo WITHOUT Dasan? like, only G8M base, or maybe Lee8 (might be asian features overkill tho), or another G8M figure (i have a few "base" caucasians, not many... like Michael 8, Lucas 8, Nix 8...)

    because i'm halfway interested in Noburo, but i'm not getting Dasan, not innarested...

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  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,600
    edited April 2020
    manekiNeko said:
    Hylas said:

    He looks great and adds something new to the gene pool.

    I don't understand his packaging at all though and most of the items and add-ons seem uninspired. Only Noburo is intriguing to me.

    has anyone tried (or would be nice enough to try) Noburo WITHOUT Dasan? like, only G8M base, or maybe Lee8 (might be asian features overkill tho), or another G8M figure (i have a few "base" caucasians, not many... like Michael 8, Lucas 8, Nix 8...)

    because i'm halfway interested in Noburo, but i'm not getting Dasan, not innarested...

    He looks like...a pretty typical Marcius character, actually.

    nodasanburo.png
    750 x 1000 - 882K
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  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,438
    Gordig said:
    manekiNeko said:
    Hylas said:

    He looks great and adds something new to the gene pool.

    I don't understand his packaging at all though and most of the items and add-ons seem uninspired. Only Noburo is intriguing to me.

    has anyone tried (or would be nice enough to try) Noburo WITHOUT Dasan? like, only G8M base, or maybe Lee8 (might be asian features overkill tho), or another G8M figure (i have a few "base" caucasians, not many... like Michael 8, Lucas 8, Nix 8...)

    because i'm halfway interested in Noburo, but i'm not getting Dasan, not innarested...

    He looks like...a pretty typical Marcius character, actually.

    thanks a lot for trying/rendering! ^^ yessmiley

    hmm... this is with just G8M, right?... not so bad. quite good actually. makes him younger. loses the noboru-typical very accentuated asian features tho, but i guess i can add some lee8 or even mr. woo to get both them and the age factor back. not sure it will look like the original dasan-included version but worth a buy, i only have 2 asian seniors (mr. woo + g3 sensei) - and those textures here are great! ^^

  • DarwinsMishapDarwinsMishap Posts: 4,087

     

  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,438
    DarwinsMishap said:

     

    WOW! he's so hawt! excuse me while i collect my jaw from the floor! what did you actually use?

  • DarwinsMishapDarwinsMishap Posts: 4,087
    edited April 2020
    manekiNeko said:
    DarwinsMishap said:

     

    WOW! he's so hawt! excuse me while i collect my jaw from the floor! what did you actually use?

    Thanks!  He is part Dasan, part my sculpt from Zbrush and Hexagon.  I've just submitted him to Daz, so hopefully he'll be accepted and available soon. :D

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  • lana_lasslana_lass Posts: 520
    DarwinsMishap said:
    manekiNeko said:
    DarwinsMishap said:

     

    WOW! he's so hawt! excuse me while i collect my jaw from the floor! what did you actually use?

    Thanks!  He is part Dasan, part my sculpt from Zbrush and Hexagon.  I've just submitted him to Daz, so hopefully he'll be accepted and available soon. :D

    Soon as I saw this @DarwinsMishap and clocked it was your creation my heart skipped a beat that this was going to be a "For Dasan 8..." new release laugh He looks awesome! Mega excited for this one.

  • caravellecaravelle Posts: 2,653
    edited April 2020
    DarwinsMishap said:

    heartyesheart

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  • DarwinsMishapDarwinsMishap Posts: 4,087

    Thank you very much!

     

  • 3Ddreamer3Ddreamer Posts: 1,340

    I was just discussing with a friend about Native American characters and doing a render with all I have (at the moment, waiting for DM's) smiley

    Off the top of my head I can think of:

    Dasan 8

    Tennessee

    Ohanzi

    Falcon

    But I am sure there are some for G, G2M, and G3M. I know I have shapes for Genesis without skins but can't remember any characters. I have Gypsyangel's shape (Ranger) from Rendo for G8M.

    Anyone jog my memory (and Product Library)? And then the kitbashing clothes begins...

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,600

    My last two renders were Dasan-centric. 

    Señora

    Riggs, possibly with Dasan dialed out.

    Woolly Panic 

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,600
    3Ddreamer said:

    I was just discussing with a friend about Native American characters and doing a render with all I have (at the moment, waiting for DM's) smiley

    Off the top of my head I can think of:

    Dasan 8

    Tennessee

    Ohanzi

    Falcon

    But I am sure there are some for G, G2M, and G3M. I know I have shapes for Genesis without skins but can't remember any characters. I have Gypsyangel's shape (Ranger) from Rendo for G8M.

    Anyone jog my memory (and Product Library)? And then the kitbashing clothes begins...

    If you’re not looking only for male characters, Xochil is the best female native character I’ve seen, with Alaska and Uki falling more on the stylized side of things. 

  • FenixPhoenixFenixPhoenix Posts: 3,181
    DarwinsMishap said:

     

    Already in the wishlist of my heart! And once he's out, he'll bypass the wishlist and go straight into the cart!

    Btw, did anyone else get Dasan 8 in smart content in the "female" category, rather than the male? I istalled via DIM and was very confused when I was looking for him and didn't find him under male, but under female!

  • AllenArtAllenArt Posts: 7,175
    edited April 2020
    Gordig said:
    3Ddreamer said:

    I was just discussing with a friend about Native American characters and doing a render with all I have (at the moment, waiting for DM's) smiley

    Off the top of my head I can think of:

    Dasan 8

    Tennessee

    Ohanzi

    Falcon

    But I am sure there are some for G, G2M, and G3M. I know I have shapes for Genesis without skins but can't remember any characters. I have Gypsyangel's shape (Ranger) from Rendo for G8M.

    Anyone jog my memory (and Product Library)? And then the kitbashing clothes begins...

    If you’re not looking only for male characters, Xochil is the best female native character I’ve seen, with Alaska and Uki falling more on the stylized side of things. 

    Rawart did a Genesis 3 male and female as well:

    https://www.daz3d.com/anicinabe-for-genesis-3-female
    https://www.daz3d.com/anicinabe-for-genesis-3-male

    And two by Raiya also for G3:

    https://www.daz3d.com/anna-hd-for-victoria-7
    https://www.daz3d.com/awan-hd-for-michael-7

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  • 3Ddreamer3Ddreamer Posts: 1,340
    edited April 2020
    AllenArt said:
    Gordig said:

    If you’re not looking only for male characters, Xochil is the best female native character I’ve seen, with Alaska and Uki falling more on the stylized side of things. 

    Thanks for that, Gordig, but I am not interested in Female characters

    AllenArt said:

    Rawart did a Genesis 3 male and female as well:

    https://www.daz3d.com/anicinabe-for-genesis-3-female
    https://www.daz3d.com/anicinabe-for-genesis-3-male

    And two by Raiya also for G3:

    https://www.daz3d.com/anna-hd-for-victoria-7
    https://www.daz3d.com/awan-hd-for-michael-7

    See, I completely forgot about Anicinabe and Awan - I have them both. smiley

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  • manekiNekomanekiNeko Posts: 1,438
    DarwinsMishap said:
    manekiNeko said:
    DarwinsMishap said:

     

    WOW! he's so hawt! excuse me while i collect my jaw from the floor! what did you actually use?

    Thanks!  He is part Dasan, part my sculpt from Zbrush and Hexagon.  I've just submitted him to Daz, so hopefully he'll be accepted and available soon. :D

    that would be so cool! hmm.. looks like i will still have to get dasan then... you're excellent with zbrush & hexa btw - never had the occasion to compliment you on your products, of which i own a few and i'm happy with ^^

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