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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,177
    edited March 2020
    McGyver said:
    Gordig said:

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    Good report but  needs detailed references. kiss  Wikipedia would never accept it. surprise

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,177
    edited March 2020
    Mystiarra said:

    On the question of vacuum tubes?  
     

    vacuum is the absense of air?

    how did they capture nothing in tubes?

     

    Actually, I'm sure that they used vacuum pumps.  Although the idea of pumping nothing is most confusing.

    But creating a vacuum is relatively easy as long as you're not an absolute perfectionist.  Completely fill a long (3 foot) glass tube sealed at one end with mercury, without letting any air get into the tube, carefully dip the open end into a dish full of mercury and raise the sealed end vertically.  The mercury will partially drain into the dish and there will be an empty space between the top of the mercury and the sealed end of the tube.  The height of the mercury above the level of the mercury in  the dish will be about 29 inches but the space above it is a vacuumsurprise.  The only thing in the "empty" space is a few atoms of mercury vapor, perhaps a couple atoms of silicon or boron or other ingredients that jumped off the inside of the glass tube and perhaps some bacteria and viruses that clung to the tube.  Not a perfect vacuum but close enough to be functional.  Getting better vacuums down here on Earth is possible but is difficult and I've been told that the process sucks.devil

    PS:  This mercury thing is a barometer as invented by Torricelli in 1643 which is why normal atmospheric pressure is described as "29 inches of mercury"  Well, I'll be jiggered!surprise

    PS: You can do the tube thing with water instead of mercury but you need a tube at least 32 feet long.cool

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  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,365

    I need to do a water change for my aquarium today, but neither goldfish want to help.  They do their share of getting it dirty but refuse to lift one fin to clean the tank.

  • Richard HaseltineRichard Haseltine Posts: 108,927
    McGyver said:
    Gordig said:

    Can anyone find a way to mathematically quantify how strong a goat is? I need this for not-at-all-ridiculous reasons.

    In the past, there was a common method of calculating an animal's strength developed by Albrecht Swinegroper.

    Although few scientists today still calculate an animal's strength using Swinegroper's formula, there is some use in knowing the history of the method.

    Albrecht Swinegroper was a 17th century german scientist and pioneer in potato art who would routinely measure various animal's ability to arm wrestle his adopted gorilla whom he named "Gertrude". 
    Back in those days there were no batteries to use in the various devices that also didn't exist yet, so people needed to know, for example how many rats it would take to run a massage chair, how many Syrian Hamsters were required to power a blender or if penguins were even a good labor source... Before the days of the Penguin Labor Union, this was a serious consideration and people needed a quick chart they could carry in their rump pouches (17th century name for a wallet)... So Swinegroper got his gorilla to arm wrestle various animals and developed a formula based on how quickly the gorilla won, how much sweat he could collect and how far the animal flew when it lost.

    Since the gorilla was fond of throwing chickens at Swinegroper's guests, the formula was based on the average adult male gorilla weighing 400 lbs (181.437 mwu) dressed in light summer frock, wearing high heels, throwing a chicken with a weight of 2 pounds (.907 mwu), for 20 feet (6.09 metric length units) with one 1/10th of a shot glass of sweat collected. Up until James Watt invented horsepower at 7:26 am on June 12, 1768, the Gorilla Armkraft unit (or Gorilla Arm Power in english) was the de facto unit of energy measurement.

    Swinegroper later experimented with various prosthetic arm rigs so assorted animals could actually arm wrestle the gorilla, due to the fact the gorilla often broke a heel throwing larger animals. The rig was also good at allowing certain animals like chinchillas and pigs to arm wrestle more effectively and for a brief period of time actually spawned a whole sport that attracted many fans with huge crowds requiring large stadiums to be built.

    (Above) An early sketch by Swinegroper for the arm wrestling rig. Courtesy of the Munich Swinegroper collection)

    Given that neither a goat nor a horse is good at arm wrestling, and the Gorilla Arm wrestling standard is pretty stupid, we would either have to find a formula to convert Gorilla Arm Power to a weight ratio that translates well to centaur or pan specifications, which is difficult since they are mostly imaginary, thus without Gorillas in the equation we are force to rely on either Duckpower or Horsepower and adjust for the goats lack of wings (in most cases)...

    An average Horse weighs 1200.00261 pounds, or 544.3120278761 Metricial Weight Units... or in the slang kids use today "Killergrams".

    The average fat naked farm goat without high heels, weighs about 150 lbs (how the hell is "pounds" abbreviated "lbs"?)... or 68.0389 mwu (kg).

    lb for the Latin libra, hence the zodiacal scales being called Libra (also why pounds, shillings, and pence is abbreviated LSD from the Latin equivalents of the coins - s for solidus as I recall, d for denarius).

    McGyver said:

    Since goats are easy to statically charge by rubbing them vigorously with nylon pantyhose, we can use electrical engineering standards.

    One goat rubbed for twenty minutes generates one kilowatt of power. 

    It takes 746 horsepower to generate one kilowatts of power...

    It would then take 1.492x10^9 * 8 = 1.1936*10^10 goats to generate 2 gigawatts, the standard amount of power to operate one Dance-Dance Revolution arcade machine... 

    So the answer is... it would take a lot of goats being rubbed vigorously for several hours to power a video arcade like Dave and Busters for any meaningful amount of time.

    I'm not really good at math and very easily distracted, so...

    If it takes eight fat goats to equal one horsepower, then it would take 3,400 goats to power a 1970 Plymouth Hemi Cuda with the 3 speed automatic and 2,236 hamsters trained to act in unison to drive it... I couldn't calculate for a manual transmission because hamsters only drive automatics and like I said before, I'm really bad at math.

    Since the original question was about how to quantify the strength of a goat, the only true way would be to actually build a modern version of Swinegroper's arm wrestling rig and actually wrestle the goat yourself or hire a gorilla.

    I hope this was helpful.

     

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,041

    ...start up complaint: I woke up fine (gut issues finally gone) but apparently Windows Explorer didn't and immediately went into "not responding" mode.

    When I tired to restart it (WE), nothing happened and I just sat there looking at two screens with the backdrop wallpaper and no icons.  Went into Task Manager (which I had running) and shut everything down. After restarting, all the entire desktop was messed up with icons all over the place instead of neatly organised (requiring having to move them back to where they were) and everything was running super slow (the shutdown and startup sequence also took three times as long). Then WE crapped out again, requiring another shutdown and restart as well as reorganising all the icons again.  When the start up finished (taking a long time again), I opened the Event Viewer to diagnose what happened.  Apparently WE just kept hanging up for some reason with no other explanation given.  All in all about an hour of my morning was wasted.

    I recently defragged and cleaned the C: drive so this should not have occurred

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,365

    Why are there PC games out there that require a touchscreen and will not work without one?  And why did it self install onto my computer?  I did not remember installing this Dragon game onto my computer.  I do know that it requires a touch screen and not a mouse.

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,177
    edited March 2020

    Gremlins! sad

    They're getting around.  I must have had one fly through here recently.  My UPS has started proclaiming "Battery not connected.  Will not be able to supply power during an outage".  Or something to that effect.  The message will repeat for several minutes then stop for an hour or so.  Several days it's been doing that.  I suspect it's battery age and after looking at the LCD screen on the UPS I could see that the battery is only about 80% charged.  Argh... $$  Last time my battery conked out on me.  I happened to be in OfficeMax while they were having a big sale and was able to get a brand new identical UPS w/battery for just a little more than a replacement battery alone + shipping.  Now, I find that with Amazon Prime and my free shipping, I can get the battery for about $55 instead of $120 for a new complete unit.  Perhaps I should order two because I still have the old battery-less unit sitting under my desk idle.surprise  It's always nice to have more of your precious electronics shielded from wonky power.  I've got another computer and lots of external hard drives now that should be protected.enlightened   Argh..., budget stretching time again.frown

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  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,041

    ...yeah that's what I chock my morning experience up to.

    As to games being installed, recent Windows feature update perhaps? 

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,365

    How do I put a dress on a female Centaur?

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    How do I put a dress on a female Centaur?

    same way you put a dress on a male centaur?

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    new exam table in store

    yanno the trope about aliens and probing, how the heck a trope like that get started??

  • I need to do a water change for my aquarium today, but neither goldfish want to help.  They do their share of getting it dirty but refuse to lift one fin to clean the tank.

    I think you need a little primer on the purpose of a fish.  It is to live, eat, not get eaten, and keep from doing the backstroke.

    The role of "fish" does not include doing water changes.  You, on the other hand, have hands, feet, and a sense of balance.  Using these physical features and talents make you the PERFECT choice in your household to take on the role of "water changer".

    kyoto kid said:

    ...start up complaint: I woke up fine (gut issues finally gone) but apparently Windows Explorer didn't and immediately went into "not responding" mode.

    When I tired to restart it (WE), nothing happened and I just sat there looking at two screens with the backdrop wallpaper and no icons.  Went into Task Manager (which I had running) and shut everything down. After restarting, all the entire desktop was messed up with icons all over the place instead of neatly organised (requiring having to move them back to where they were) and everything was running super slow (the shutdown and startup sequence also took three times as long). Then WE crapped out again, requiring another shutdown and restart as well as reorganising all the icons again.  When the start up finished (taking a long time again), I opened the Event Viewer to diagnose what happened.  Apparently WE just kept hanging up for some reason with no other explanation given.  All in all about an hour of my morning was wasted.

    I recently defragged and cleaned the C: drive so this should not have occurred

    Your gut is you.  But your Windows version is pretty much older than you.  Windows ages in dog years, while you're still aging in people years.  cheeky

    kyoto kid said:

    ...yeah that's what I chock my morning experience up to.

    Don't we "chalk it up to"; you know, as in "chalking up an idea" on the...(ahem) chalkboard?

    kyoto kid said:

    As to games being installed, recent Windows feature update perhaps? 

    If you're still on Windows 95 (teasing!), I'm pretty sure you haven't gotten any Windows feature updates...oh, since about the Clinton Administration.  So it ain't that, my friend!

    McGyver said:
    Gordig said:

    Can anyone find a way to mathematically quantify how strong a goat is? I need this for not-at-all-ridiculous reasons.

    In the past, there was a common method of calculating an animal's strength developed by Albrecht Swinegroper.

    Although few scientists today still calculate an animal's strength using Swinegroper's formula, there is some use in knowing the history of the method.

    Albrecht Swinegroper was a 17th century german scientist and pioneer in potato art who would routinely measure various animal's ability to arm wrestle his adopted gorilla whom he named "Gertrude". 
    Back in those days there were no batteries to use in the various devices that also didn't exist yet, so people needed to know, for example how many rats it would take to run a massage chair, how many Syrian Hamsters were required to power a blender or if penguins were even a good labor source... Before the days of the Penguin Labor Union, this was a serious consideration and people needed a quick chart they could carry in their rump pouches (17th century name for a wallet)... So Swinegroper got his gorilla to arm wrestle various animals and developed a formula based on how quickly the gorilla won, how much sweat he could collect and how far the animal flew when it lost.

    ...and a lot more...

    ...and even pictures!...

    ...and even MORE!

    McGyver said:

    I hope this was helpful.

    Um...sure thing!  I'm archiving it now just to be sure I have it all.  One never knows when this'll come in handy!  Hey, does anybody have a 4 TB hard drive handy that I could use?  cheeky  wink

    Mental Note:  Be careful what you ask for!

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,353

    Yay!  McGuyver's back!   laugh

    Dana

  • How do I put a dress on a female Centaur?

    Very very carefully!

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,041
    edited March 2020

     

    kyoto kid said:

    ...start up complaint: I woke up fine (gut issues finally gone) but apparently Windows Explorer didn't and immediately went into "not responding" mode.

    When I tired to restart it (WE), nothing happened and I just sat there looking at two screens with the backdrop wallpaper and no icons.  Went into Task Manager (which I had running) and shut everything down. After restarting, all the entire desktop was messed up with icons all over the place instead of neatly organised (requiring having to move them back to where they were) and everything was running super slow (the shutdown and startup sequence also took three times as long). Then WE crapped out again, requiring another shutdown and restart as well as reorganising all the icons again.  When the start up finished (taking a long time again), I opened the Event Viewer to diagnose what happened.  Apparently WE just kept hanging up for some reason with no other explanation given.  All in all about an hour of my morning was wasted.

    I recently defragged and cleaned the C: drive so this should not have occurred

    Your gut is you.  But your Windows version is pretty much older than you.  Windows ages in dog years, while you're still aging in people years.  cheeky

    ..Umm W7 came out in 2010, I was born in the early 1950s.  When I was around in the old days there was no Windows, no Microsoft, only Unix and a few proprietary OS's.cheeky

    kyoto kid said:

    ...yeah that's what I chock my morning experience up to.

    Don't we "chalk it up to"; you know, as in "chalking up an idea" on the...(ahem) chalkboard?

    ..apologies, old school here and that is how we used to say it. cheeky

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  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,177
    edited March 2020
    kyoto kid said:

     

    kyoto kid said:

    ...start up complaint: I woke up fine (gut issues finally gone) but apparently Windows Explorer didn't and immediately went into "not responding" mode.

    When I tired to restart it (WE), nothing happened and I just sat there looking at two screens with the backdrop wallpaper and no icons.  Went into Task Manager (which I had running) and shut everything down. After restarting, all the entire desktop was messed up with icons all over the place instead of neatly organised (requiring having to move them back to where they were) and everything was running super slow (the shutdown and startup sequence also took three times as long). Then WE crapped out again, requiring another shutdown and restart as well as reorganising all the icons again.  When the start up finished (taking a long time again), I opened the Event Viewer to diagnose what happened.  Apparently WE just kept hanging up for some reason with no other explanation given.  All in all about an hour of my morning was wasted.

    I recently defragged and cleaned the C: drive so this should not have occurred

    Your gut is you.  But your Windows version is pretty much older than you.  Windows ages in dog years, while you're still aging in people years.  cheeky

    ..Umm W7 came out in 2010, I was born in the early 1950s.  When I was around in the old days there was no Windows, no Microsoft, only Unix and a few proprietary OS's.cheeky

    kyoto kid said:

    ...yeah that's what I chock my morning experience up to.

    Don't we "chalk it up to"; you know, as in "chalking up an idea" on the...(ahem) chalkboard?

    ..apologies, old school here and that is how we used to say it. cheeky

    Where and when did this idea that an "L" in a word isn't worthy of being pronounced?  As in "walk", "talk", "chalk", "salmon", etc.  English is such a sloppily spoken language.  It's no wonder there are so many accents.  Personally, I blame the British for butchering their own language first.  I mean, the country is an island, and it's tiny!surprise  Most of our States are bigger and the island still  couldn't maintain a common accent.frown  But at least we Americans have had a go at fixing it for them and straightening out some of their worst non-essential spellings.cheeky  But the silent "L" still bugs me.  It's there, it's proud, let it speak.   And don't get me started on putting an "F" in the pronunciation of "Lieutenant".  For that I'm going to blame the French.indecision (which for mosts things English is a useful fallback)

    devil

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  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 7,085

    Why do we even have silent letters?... it's not like we have silent numbers... 

    Clerk: "That'll be $295..."

    Customer: "But you said it was $25 a moment ago..."

    Clerk: "Oh, you missed the silent nine..."

    Then again I should be quite about that before I give big corporations and governments any ideas...

     

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,365

    One of my housemates is going psycho and I cannot wait till she leave.

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    going to dmv,  i hope thay have large print forms.  have to get my non driving id

  • LeatherGryphonLeatherGryphon Posts: 12,177
    edited March 2020

    Complaint:  I checked my UPS status display again this morning and the battery charge has gone down to about 60%.  So, I disconnected everything and pulled out the battery and it was HOT.  Not particularly a good sign.  It's probably been trying to be charged.  It was so hot in fact that although it didn't burn my hands for the few moments that I held it, it was hot enough for me to think that it might be safer sitting out on the porch to cool down or in case it had an internal short that was going to cause it to burst into flames.  (I had that happen once in the computer room of a company I worked for.  Scary situation!) surprise

    So, after I found other places to plug in all the things that had been plugged into the UPS I got back on the internet and ordered two new official #123 APC replacement batteries from Amazon.  It was time.  Couldn't be put off any longer.frown  But good news is that with one for my current UPS and one for my old UPS that's been sitting on the shelf for 3 years I'll now have two working UPS devices.  Yay! smiley  However, considering the weight of the batteries, I'm glad I'm not the FedEx driver who has to deliver them in one box. 

    Non-complaint:  Oh, and "yes" because I'm an Amazon Prime member, they will be delivered to me (free) by FedEx (or possibly UPS) on Wednesday, directly to my door so I won't have to lug them walking from the post office.yes

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  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    Oh godhelp me dmv nightmare. No large print forms. No one on staff to help me read the form. Cant read the counter number. Cant read theboard with numbers they calling. 
     

    bus home not for anither hour. 
    discrimination against the visually handicapped. Complainnnt

  • TJohnTJohn Posts: 11,352
    Mystiarra said:

    starting to be extremely worried for Tjohn

    been too long 

    I'm OK, just lurking. smiley

  • starionwolfstarionwolf Posts: 3,670

    I should install the new version of Daz Install Manager soon (TM).

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675
    Tjohn said:
    Mystiarra said:

    starting to be extremely worried for Tjohn

    been too long 

    I'm OK, just lurking. smiley

      glad you okay

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,365

    I am in a van heading home.  However some dude almost ran into the van.  The van is almost full of clients of group homes.  Only one seat is empty.  We are currently waiting for police to come write an incident report.  I do not know where the dude went.

    I am okay physically but not really emotional stable yet.  But that is more to do with my grandma passing instead of this.

  • GordigGordig Posts: 10,645
    Mystiarra said:
    Tjohn said:
    Mystiarra said:

    starting to be extremely worried for Tjohn

    been too long 

    I'm OK, just lurking. smiley

      glad you okay

    But what about ChaynaWolfsmoon?

  • TSasha SmithTSasha Smith Posts: 27,365

    My phone battery is low and I do not see a usb thing in this van.

  • DanaTADanaTA Posts: 13,353
    Tjohn said:
    Mystiarra said:

    starting to be extremely worried for Tjohn

    been too long 

    I'm OK, just lurking. smiley

    Good to know!!!

    Dana

  • kyoto kidkyoto kid Posts: 42,041
    Tjohn said:
    Mystiarra said:

    starting to be extremely worried for Tjohn

    been too long 

    I'm OK, just lurking. smiley

    ..thanks for the update and letting us know you're OK. 

  • MistaraMistara Posts: 38,675

    countng zebras more fun than counting sheep.

    counting Aiko ?heart

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