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Well, I was determined to try to make her look decent without changing her morphs. I did add on different eyelashes and changed her lipstick a bit. I found that, in general, most expessions looked really bad on her. Usually I don't use a caharacter "out of the box" anyway but I wanted to take on the challenge. Finally got something I was pretty happy with but from now on will only mix her morphs with others. And the brown eyes were the only ones that looked OK...
I really like her this is the first teen I have bought since getting back into the 3D scene. I also liked several of her products so I ended up getting a good deal by the time it was all said and done. Although my wallet was not happy!
That being said she does not look teen to me, more like young adult maybe. Still love her though!
Did a side by side of her (right) and G8F (left) with the same basic skin included with Raven. I do not really care for the Kitten Dress because far as I can tell the top part does not simulate (could be the user) thus the gaps with the straps on the chest area.
I DID. LOL....I guess I like too many artists. I'm also a "mixer"...I rarely ever use a character as is and am forever mixing. I like there to be an assortment for me to pull from. Even I however know when to say when and "when" came and went quite awhile ago.
Laurie
See, that was my thought too, though I grew up with her classic look rather than her current 'Rachel Roth'. This character could definitely be worked into a good Titans Raven
This is very true. That would be my main reason for buying Teen bundles... Because seemingly anything outside of "teen" is hyper sexualized. Chainmail Thongs and and Blouses so low and slutty that if they were any more revealing the nipples would slip out with a light breeze. I am thankful everyday for 3D Universe. I buy 3DU products like a religion. hehe
The trims and dress body likely have different dynamic strength settings. Usually trims are set lower to avoid excessive stretching, and these might be a little too low. That said, the front kind of looks like an apron bib. It's not my favourite part of the bundle.
I kind of think you do...If you happen to wonder into the wrong places on the internet thanks to poorly worded searches with safe search disabled, you will never see such people categorized as "young adult". It is always "teen". And lots of them. Teens everywhere, all legal, and specifically marketed as teens. "Young Adult" is something you might see as a category in a book store, its nothing more than marketing.
Its funny (or depressing depending on your point of view) the places you might wonder into looking for Daz things. Daz is clearly very popular for certain, um, things, which a number of people in this thread are quite well acquainted with. I'm not judging! You guys do what you do, it doesn't bother me.
Anyway, Daz has had characters that specifically say "Young Teen" in their name, which make it much more clear. But never have they had anything that says older teen, nor has Daz ever had a character called "Young Adult ___". Actually I am kind of curious as to why that is? Why do we need to label them but not others? Like why not "Old Man Woo"? Which actually, would be kind of awesome, LOL.
I wouldn't have much issue except for Raven looking nothing like a teen. Yes, I get it, real people can totally look different from their age, but this is 3D art here, and if anything Daz usually plays it by the common stereotype. So as a result it is logical to expect that stereotypical "teen" when they use "teen" in the name. You got people here saying they wouldn't even card her, LOL. If Daz had simply called this release "Raven 8" would anybody have brought it up? I really doubt it. There might have been some arguments about age, but they would have been very different this. Maybe the add on characters look more like typical teens, but they have no relevance to whether the base character itself is teen or not, we got a grown up model based on the toddler 8 in this store. Big Boss, I believe it was, nobody is saying Big Boss is a little kid because he is based on a toddler morph, nor is anybody screaming for Metal Gear in a raspy voice. Funny enough, Raven was a big bad dude in Metal Gear Solid, sporting a huge chain gun.
And I think its very funny that Raven isn't even in the banner on the store page. The actual teen looking characters are. I don't think this has ever happened before. Maybe they thought Summer was going to be the official model, or that Summer was Raven....since you know, Summer looks like the actual teen here, LOL. Whatever the reason is, its not a good look, Daz. It makes it look like you lack confidence in your own model. You really need to change that.
That would be like CBS using a totally different character in its promo poster for "Picard". Just picture it: "Patrick Stewart, Picard." with a picture of Wesley Crusher. Yeah...that doesn't make much sense.
Agree. Great teen character in the making @angel_wings
Did we need a Summer (minus Raven) image?
When to say "when"...
I'm reminded of a scene from the Battlestar Galactica reboot, when Admiral Cain asks if Starbuck drinks alcohol.
Starbuck's answer: "Only to excess." ;-)
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Did we need a Summer minus Raven image?
Here's a quick one with Raven dialed out.
my image before showed Summer with Raven dialed out to 0 as well. She was definitely made to enhance Raven.
Summer is made with 100 % percent Raven's head dialed in, not 50%- because I love Raven's head shape. :)
It seems a lot of discussion around her is more or less about terminology?
In response to the "at least she doesn't have 'slutty' clothes, I try not to use that term because it carries the connotation that revealing clothing is somehow bad and that people who wear such are bad- and I can't wait for the day when people aren't judged for the curves of their body and the clothes (or lack of) that they can choose to comfortably wear or not wear. Growing up I had to wear skirts and dresses because "proper" girls did so and only 'bad girls' wore pants and makeup. Ug. Of course, my last job REQUIRED makeup for ladies.... times change. do they ever. LOL.
Anyway, regardless of the "teen" terminology or not, I do think she looks younger, shape wise, than say, Victoria or Eva or a lot of others. I think names are simply inspirational, like "this is what she COULD be per our vision while making her." A starting point. And if she looks 40 to some of you... well, I'm just going to say that if I look that bright-eyed and cute and a bit punky when I hit my 40s (nearer than I'd like!) I will be absolutely THRILLED. :P Bring on the age-defying Daz character dials, stat! I need some elixer of youth. I could use a good bit of Raven dialed in... (don't I wish!!!!)
Very nicely done! And I prefer brown eyes in characters, blue, gray, and green is so overused.
I agree as well - great job on the render. May I ask what tattoo asset was used ?
David
@Wonderland: Nice render, looks better than most of the promos!
@The Blurst of Times: Thank you! Summer is one for the wishlist for me. Her skin looks nice, and her morph without Raven looks like a great starting point.
Really nice! She looks like the actress Fairuza Balk.
https://i.imgur.com/Jwx38vW.jpg
Holy Catfish!!! Well I am sooooooooo surprised. However I did say she was probably 20, so 17 isn't too bad a difference.
I was curious about 0% Raven and 100% Sunny, because I don't want to buy the Raven figure base. It doesn't appeal to me at all, and I don't want miss out on Sunny because of it.
Sunny at 0% is a slightly more youthful character and enhances Raven that's a given. The plus for Sunny: she has great skin, makeup and nails plus a no makeup option. Even though I can try to spin a few dials with base G8F, it won't be Sunny, but she's still a great character.
I like the outfits, and the hair is decent, but don't really NEED another female character (of any age). Will probably get the Pro Bundle for the clothing though.
I also wanted to say I was disappointed this thread wasn't titled "That's So Raven".
I have always thougyht she looked older than her actual age, even when she was younger.
I'm just getting the 2 goth outfits and their textures, the kitten dress and its textures and the Sunny character.
Don't want/need anything else regardless of any lame discounts. Buy the pro bundle and 2 add-ons just to get $5.00 off on old stuff in those other categories? Pass. Not what I'd call an incentive. I don't buy gift cards either, so don't have that up my sleeve. Is what it is.
Plus just cuz they were in my wishlist, I'm also getting Odd Wear clothes (goth but 18 textures included!!) (just the clothes, not the character), and the dforce Kawaii overalls ( age appropriate for my tweens).
Thanks! The tattoo is this: https://www.daz3d.com/tattoo-for-genesis-3-female-s
Thanks @Novica, @Hylas and @jukingeo !
I like her skin texture the best of those released so far. :)
Teen Raven 8 default textures with her eyebrows added
OOT hair
Basic Wear
I'm aware that Clothing and Makeup make people look certain ages... That its in pose, and presentation. You can make someone look very mature or immature based on clothing, face expression, and the enviorment you have them in. Same actor as before in a different setting. This is why I make them appear to be younger then 15. Because by the time someone is done outfitting and posing a "teen" actor who is borderline 20... Due to how mature most of the hair and clothing and pose presets are. They look 30. But if they start out young looking, like.. actually young lookking, then by the time you make your typical render, they still look the part of a teen, even with makeup and a mature setting.
awesome pic.... but ... hee hee. Sorry I can't help thinking "how do cross legs with thigh spikes like that?" I can't even wear spiked boots because i forget and end up kicking myself or kneeling and stabbing myself somehow. Being goth/punk is dangerous man! :P
I’m having a big problem making expressions look good on her and even characters based on her. Her mouth is very different and if you try to make her smile or open her mouth at all, it becomes truly scary. The character Alinah who looks gorgeous with her mouth closed suddenly becomes horrific when you open the mouth! She has gaps between her teeth and not sure if this was on purpose or not. I fixed that with teeth morphs in parameters but I just couldn’t get a decent open mouth expression on her that doesn’t look really ugly or weird... It seems that any renders made with Raven will have to have her mouth closed!
ETA it might be the expressions making Alinah have a gap in her teeth because with the mouth only slightly open, the teeth look OK. This is definitely a character that’s weird to work with...
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Was thinking the same although couldnlt remember her name; she also has the look of another acress whom I also cannot recall.
TIP: try this (I mentioned it in one of my previous Art Studio threads) Go to the pose controls, Head, to Visemes, and unlock the parameters on the W and set it about -15 to -20. It seems to widen the mouth without puckering the corners or moving the depth, and gives it a relaxed look. Play with it and see what you think, it's one of the things I used on my Allinah.
Some people just need to smile with their mouths closed