Semi OT: NVIDEA driver problem (Solved)

MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787
edited June 7 in Daz Studio Discussion

Maybe this has been adressed here before. In order to make use of the latest DS build IRAY renderer, I need the latest NV driver.
Problem is, I can't install it. It gets canceled with an "error during installing" message.
I cannot even install any NV drivers anymore. I tried to install every version, with every install option, Windows reset to an earlier Point, with and without virusFirewall active.
No way. What to do?
I am on NVIDIA 416.16 now. It works, but I cannot open its controll center anymore, because it got lost when trying to uninstall the previous driver.
Windows reset kept my 416.16 driver, but did not rebuild the NVIDIA controll manager.

This is really crazy.

Intel CPU System Win10(64)
ZOTAC 1070GTX (416.16)

Anybody has an Idea?
 

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  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787
    edited May 31
    rk66 said:

    Vielen Dank. Noch habe ich es nicht ausprobiert. Ich hasse es, so einen Aufwand betreiben zu müssen, nur damit ein Grafiktreiber funktioniert.


    Edit "Nicht ohne Risiko" Schönen Dank auch, Windows und Nvidia :-E

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  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787
    edited May 31

    Still have not found the guts to try that DDU uninstaller. Tried to uninstall everything by hand, even switched off my anti virus scanner.
    Any thing I've tried to update Nvidia drivers didn't work.
    Some Windows updates failed too. Error code suggested some problems with my HP system. I don't have neither a HP system nor any Hp device installed - not even packaged in my cellar room.
    And why don't I have Administrator rights, when I am the only person on this computer, logged in as the Administrator?
    Since the latest DS build is out, I cannot test it, because I cannot use GPU rendering, for it needs the latest drivers and I can't install any Nvidia driver anymore.

    A windows complete reinstall is getting closer... sigh. Does anyone have an explaination, what could have caused this mess?

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  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 3,650

    Perhaps some kind of malware\virus?

    I would suggest a complete Windows reinstall. Once you have done that, create a system backup which you can restore if the need arises.

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787
    edited May 31

    Perhaps some kind of malware\virus?

     

    I don't think so. Had multiple scans without an alert.

     

    I would suggest a complete Windows reinstall. Once you have done that, create a system backup which you can restore if the need arises         

    That's, what I might end up with. 

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  • Rashad CarterRashad Carter Posts: 1,710

    Sometimes the Drivers just suck. the most recent one released 5.27.19 broke Octane for me and I had to revert back to a previous driver

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,167

    Could this be related to the changeover to the new Universal Windows Driver?

    They're labelled as DCH in nVidia downloads. Trouble is... there is no update path from the standard to the DCH, it's the same for the reverse direction, one type has to be completely uninstalled to load the other type.

    If it got past the installation check and did a partial install, I can see that really messing up the nVidia drivers!

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787
    edited June 1
    prixat said:

    Could this be related to the changeover to the new Universal Windows Driver?

    They're labelled as DCH in nVidia downloads. Trouble is... there is no update path from the standard to the DCH, it's the same for the reverse direction, one type has to be completely uninstalled to load the other type.

    If it got past the installation check and did a partial install, I can see that really messing up the nVidia drivers!

    I'm really afraid, you're right. Why the f.... hell is Windows thinking, it can bring better drivers than NVDIA?

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  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 3,650

    I don't use Windows drivers, NVIDIA only. When I update, I use the clean install option.

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,167

    They are still nVidia drivers supplied by nVidia, just the windows 10 side of things has had major changes.

    The new Universal Windows Driver standard allows nVidia (and all the other manufacturers) to just produce one driver that will work on all windows 10 desktops, laptops, tablets, fridges and washing machines etc.

    Intel were first with a UWD driver and went through the same thing last December. In that case, some users deleted drivers they still needed for older intel graphics chips, because the Intel DCH driver is not backwards compatible!

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787

    I don't use Windows drivers, NVIDIA only. When I update, I use the clean install option.

    I think, that those automatic windows updates have installed their own NVIDIA drivers - (without my allowence). This might be the reason, why I can't have a proper NVIDIA install with the original drivers by NVIDIA.

  • DoctorJellybeanDoctorJellybean Posts: 3,650

    You could try this (after the Windows reinstall):

    https://www.windowscentral.com/how-disable-automatic-driver-updates-windows-10

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787

    I have now done the DDU uninstalling. Then I tried to install the NVIDIA driver, but nope... no success. 

  • prixatprixat Posts: 1,167
    Was the uninstall done in Safe Mode?
  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787
    prixat said:
     

     

    prixat said:
    Was the uninstall done in Safe Mode?

    Yes, I‘m done. Nothing worked. I am without a NV driver now. Only basic Intel graphic is left. I need to run my Win10 image back up now, hoping I can use my gtx 1070 . 

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787

    Latest update: Set my sytem back to two days ago.
    Still can't update my drivers, but I have NV 416.16 as the GPU  driver back, which means I can still use DS 4.10 GPU rendering.

  • cm152335cm152335 Posts: 374

    un install Nvidia drivers

    check this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmmizuRJGvI

  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787
    edited June 2
    cm152335 said:

    un install Nvidia drivers

    check this video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmmizuRJGvI

    Been through a deep uninstall process with DDU uninstaller already. Didn't work.

    EDIT: Ben through all this procedure again.
    Safe mode=>DDU uninstaller=>reboot==>reboot in safe mode=>installing the new NVIDIA driver 430.86.
    Same Error message.
    So, there seem to be no way to make an NVIDIA driver update happen.

    Only a complete Windows reinstall could help.

     

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  • sylvie1998sylvie1998 Posts: 194
    edited June 4

    There are 8 types of NVIDIA drivers:

    - Notebook Game Ready Driver (Standard)
    - Notebook Game Ready Driver (DCH)
    - Notebook Studio Driver (Standard)
    - Notebook Studio Driver (DCH)

    - Desktop Game Ready Driver (Standard)
    - Desktop Game Ready Driver (DCH)
    - Desktop Studio Driver (Standard)
    - Desktop Studio Driver (DCH)

    I am assuming you are using 64-bit Windows 10 and a desktop PC -- if not, adjust accordingly.

    Difference between Standard and DCH drivers is that standard driver comes bundled with NVIDIA Control Panel, GeForce Experience, etc. DCH driver on the other hand has only the driver and the Control Panel and all other stuff must be distributed through the Windows Store. You should never try to install DCH over Standard (or Standard over DCH) without first fully uninstalling the former. Doing otherwise has a chance of irrepairably messing up your Windows installation and require a clean Windows install to fix.

    If you already did this (i.e. if you had DCH at some point) you might want to check if there is a Metro application installed from the store for NVIDIA drivers and uninstall that too.

    Also, Windows 10 is very persistent when it comes to reinstalling the drivers it wants to install. The only way to make sure you have no cached drivers left over for it to mess you up is to:

    1. Disconnect from Internet.
    2. Go to Device Manager, right-click NVIDIA display adapter, select Uninstall Device and check the "Delete the driver software for this device" (do not reboot if prompted).
    3. Open Control Panel -> Programs and Features and check if you have anything with NVIDIA in the name. If yes, uninstall everything (do not reboot if prompted).
    4. If there is more than one thing from NVIDIA to uninstall their setup won't allow it -- open regedit and go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software and look for key NVIDIA Corporation_(someguid)_RebootNeeded, then delete it. Repeat 3 and 4 until no more things with NVIDIA listed in Programs and Features.
    5. Once you are done go back to Device Manager, from the Action menu and select Scan for Hardware Changes.
    6. If Windows installs NVIDIA driver (and believe me it can go as far back as 388.xx) wait for it to finish, then repeat from 2 until Scan for hardware changes results in Microsoft Basic Display Adapter being installed. Now you are sure you have no older drivers which could mess things up.

    Without connecting to the internet reboot the PC, and then install the latest drivers -- I recommend Standard Studio Driver because in the latest release notes it says "Provides the optimal experience for the latest releases of top creative apps, including Autodesk Maya 2019, 3ds Max 2020, Arnold 5.3.1.0, Blackmagic Design DaVinci Resolve 16, and Daz 3D Daz Studio."

    Hope it helps, if it doesn't you can always reinstall Windows.

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  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787

    Well, thank you for this post, Sylvie 1998.
     

    This is a different, than the others advise, ;-) but it could be it. I renember with earlier driver install attempts, that i have been confused, which driver to use. If standart drivers and DCH drivers must not be mixed up, why let NVIDIA let me do this in there download form?

    Thanks again, I will give it a try, as soon I am ready for a clean reinstall, in case I am messing up this repair procedure.

  • sylvie1998sylvie1998 Posts: 194
    edited June 8

    If standard drivers and DCH drivers must not be mixed up, why let NVIDIA let me do this in there download form?

    NVIDIA is allowing you to download all driver versions and if you think about it, that makes sense -- they can't know which one you need and want to use.

    The real question is why Microsoft needed to introduce DCH (it's their new standard) and why they didn't do that in a way which prevents users from making mistakes?

    In other words, blame should sit with Microsoft, not wiith NVIDIA this time.

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  • MasterstrokeMasterstroke Posts: 787
    edited June 7

    First: Thanks to everyone, who tried to help. Thank you very much. :-) :-) :-)

    Problem solved.
    How?

    I was still on windows 10 - 1806.
    weird thing was, updates failed as well.
     

    After checking error codes, one of the advises has been, to uninstall app blockers from the browser.
    After uninstalling, I was finally able to update to win10-1903.
    Just in case I logged in to my system as admin and installed the latest NVIDIA driver... AND IT WORKED!!!!! :-) :-) :-)

     

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  • sylvie1998sylvie1998 Posts: 194
    edited June 8

    You mean you were on 1809?

    New drivers should have installed regardless.

    Update to 1903 is practically OS reinstall so that is why it "fixed" your problem.

    When I say reinstall I mean this is what those 6-month updates Microsoft is releasing do:

    1. Move C:\Windows and C:\Users folders into C:\Windows.old
    2. Install fresh Windows with all new drivers and stuff
    3. Import back your settings and data from Windows.old

    That can sometimes fail to restore your data (or even outright delete it by mistake like update from 1803 to 1809 did to some users), and it's quite risky to let it update without making sure you have a backup first.

     

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